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Old 04-24-2011   #1
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I can confirm with certainty that the Cowboys have had discussions and laid the groundwork for a deal with the Houston Texans at #11 who I’m told are set to move up for either Aldon Smith or Cameron Jordan and the St. Louis Rams at #14 who despite reports are not interested in moving up have contacted 3 of the 4 teams between picks 6 and 10.

Most recently I have also been told the Cowboys have spoken to the Patriots who have been active lately trying to gauge the market value to move up. Interesting enough I’m told the Cowboys are the only team the Patriots have contacted in the top 10. I’m sorry I don’t have many details on what was discussed.

A few days ago I was also told there is a team selecting in the early 20’s who made a very attractive proposal and was willing to pull the trigger now but Jerry put it in his back pocket. I’m sorry; this source was not from the Cowboys but from another team and asked that I don’t share the name of the team. I consider this source VERY reliable otherwise I would not say anything with such limited detail.

In addition to the above possibilities I was told yesterday that the Cowboys have received no less than 8 calls on the #9 selection and may have just as much interest in the #40 pick in Round 2 but I’ll touch on that later. First I would like to discuss possible targets in these trade down scenario’s.

The first two I want to discuss are the most solid ones with the Texans and Rams.

A trade down with the Texans would only likely net a 4th round pick and perhaps an additional 6th or 7th in return but it might put Dallas in a great spot. At #11 they could very well still have their pick of Smith, Jordan, Watt or Castonzo. It also would present the opportunity to flip the pick once again in a trade down.

A trade down with the Rams would likely net a 3rd round pick. Although It would likely take the Cowboys out of the running for Smith it might put them into a position they favor with Castonzo or Watt while netting a 3rd round pick and giving them flexibility in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to move up or down.

Now I’m told Jerry would very much like to add an additional 2nd round pick which might lead me to believe a drop further then the Rams at #14. I can’t see a drop much further so I have to believe this would only come via a team willing to pay a little extra to get their man at 9. With that in mind, don’t discount the San Diego Chargers. They have been quietly making calls in a effort to move up and I’m sure Norv’s old Boss Jerry Jones would be more than willing to listen for the right price and the Chargers are 1 of only 2 teams with multiple 2nd round picks.


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I don't see a trade with the Cowpies happening. What would be the advantage in giving up picks to move into their spot? It's not like a game changer is gonna slip thru the cracks all the way down to 9 and if one did the Cowpies would take him for themselves. The Texans have multiple guys who could help their squad. No need to give away picks. One of the guys he has listed as the Texans trading up for will be available. I actually believe both will be available but hey, he is the expert.
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I don't see a trade with the Cowpies happening. What would be the advantage in giving up picks to move into their spot? It's not like a game changer is gonna slip thru the cracks all the way down to 9 and if one did the Cowpies would take him for themselves. They have multiple guys who could help their squad. No need to give away picks.
It would be nice if the Texans could be preemptive but if the Cowboys in fact are willing to trade back, this hurts Texans chances of getting as much in return, so instead of a possible 2nd rounder it turns into a 3rd round pick & we give up a 4th to move two spots higher? no thanks
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I can confirm with certainty that the Cowboys have had discussions and laid the groundwork for a deal with the Houston Texans at #11 who I’m told are set to move up for either Aldon Smith or Cameron Jordan
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I say horse-crap because there's probably no need to move up since expectations are both those players will be on the Board when the 11 pick is made.
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I can see it if it shakes out where the Skins are looking to trade out the 10 to a team looking at front seven or going defense themselves.

Contingency plan if trades start flying ..... but does Smithiak have that capability(foresight)?

Also, do we even know if the Texans "fall in love" with a player in the draft? After 5 years you'd think we'd know the answer to that, but do we?
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Put it this way, with no FA to worry about the whole FO has been working on every possible scenario and would of been on the phone with every other team numerous times to see what could happen if XYZ happened.

I put no stock in these sort of rumours, because after all they are all just rumours.
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I don't see a trade with the Cowpies happening. What would be the advantage in giving up picks to move into their spot? It's not like a game changer is gonna slip thru the cracks all the way down to 9 and if one did the Cowpies would take him for themselves. The Texans have multiple guys who could help their squad. No need to give away picks. One of the guys he has listed as the Texans trading up for will be available. I actually believe both will be available but hey, he is the expert.
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I can see it if it shakes out where the Skins are looking to trade out the 10 to a team looking at front seven or going defense themselves.
I don't see it out of the question to be honest. Julio Jones is likely gone and I could see Washington going Aldon Smith or Cameron Jordan. In the mock I'm working on right now I actually have Smith mocked to them at #10 with Jordan to us at #11. I read some rumor (and its just that: a rumor) that Shanahan really likes Smith, and apparently Rex Ryan does too.

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It would be nice if the Texans could be preemptive but if the Cowboys in fact are willing to trade back, this hurts Texans chances of getting as much in return, so instead of a possible 2nd rounder it turns into a 3rd round pick & we give up a 4th to move two spots higher? no thanks
This is what concerns me as well. Our #11 may not be as "valuable" if #9 is readily available. Makes a ton of sense if Dallas has several guys targeted like a OT or CB. Jerry may be wanting to accumulate some more picks... I still have him toying with moving up for Peterson.
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Getting Prince would be the perfect shit icing on the crap cake that was last year. Basically the same guy as we got last year. A CB who doesn't translate to the NFL. Why am I not going to be shocked when we draft him?
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Getting Prince would be the perfect shit icing on the crap cake that was last year. Basically the same guy as we got last year. A CB who doesn't translate to the NFL. Why am I not going to be shocked when we draft him?
I guess he beats Aldon "Aaron Maybin 2.0" Smith
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It would be like the Texans to trade up a few spots and grab a guy who is probably going to be available to them. And then they'll try to sell it to the fans by saying that other teams were interested in him and how they fell in love with this guy.
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Every time I hear a team is thinking of moving up for "player x", I assume they are really thinking "player y". The rest is smoke and mirrors.
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The Top 100 is compiled based on conversations with NFL general managers, personnel directors, pro and college coaches and scouts. This is not a mock draft. Teams will skip around the board on draft day to make selections that fit their needs.



No., player Pos. School
1, A.J. Green WR Georgia
2, Von Miller OLB Texas A&M
3, Patrick Peterson CB LSU
4, Marcell Dareus DT Alabama
5, Julio Jones WR Alabama
6, Cam Newton QB Auburn
7, Tyron Smith OT Southern California
8, Nick Fairley DT Auburn
9, Robert Quinn DE North Carolina
10, Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri
11, J.J. Watt DE Wisconsin
12, Cam Jordan DE California
13, Nate Solder OT Colorado
14, Aldon Smith DE Missouri
15, Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska
16, Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College
17, Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue
18, Mark Ingram RB Alabama
19, Corey Liuget DT Illinois
20, Mike Pouncey C Florida
21, Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin
22, Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson
23, Jake Locker QB Washington
24, Phil Taylor DT Baylor
25, Jimmy Smith CB Colorado
26, Marvin Austin DT North Carolina
27, Christian Ponder QB Florida State
28, Danny Watkins G Baylor
29, Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa
30, Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State
31, Aaron Williams CB Texas
32, Derek Sherrod OT Mississippi State
33, Muhammad Wilkerson DT Temple
34, Andy Dalton QB TCU
35, Marcus Cannon G TCU
36, Ryan Williams RB Virginia Tech
37, Jon Baldwin WR Pittsburgh
38, Akeem Ayers S UCLA
39, Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame
40, Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas
41, James Carpenter OT Alabama
42, Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State
43, Greg Little WR North Carolina
44, Brooks Reed DE Arizona
45, Kenrick Ellis DT Hampton
46, Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia
47, Rahim Moore S UCLA
48, Torrey Smith WR Maryland
49, Jarvis Jenkins DT Clemson
50, Orlando Franklin OT Miami
51, Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois
52, Titus Young WR Boise State
53, Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin
54, Stephen Paea DT Oregon State
55, Randall Cobb WR Kentucky
56, Will Rackley G Lehigh
57, Edmond Gates WR Abilene Christian
58, Allen Bailey DE Miami
59, Terrell McClain DT South Florida
60, Martez Wilson OLB Illinois
61, Shareece Wright CB Southern California
62, Taiwan Jones RB Eastern Washington
63, Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada
64, Brandon Harris CB Miami
65, Bruce Carter OLB North Carolina
66, Rodney Hudson C Florida State
67, Dontay Moch DE Nevada
68, Shane Vereen RB California
69, Luke Stocker TE Tennessee
70, Jah Reid OT Central Florida
71, Leonard Hankerson WR Miami
72, Marcus Gilchrist CB Clemson
73, Steve Wisniewski C Penn State
74, Kendall Hunter RB Oklahoma State
75, K.J. Wright OLB Mississippi State
76, John Moffitt G Georgia
77, Tandon Doss WR Indiana
78, Drake Nevis DT LSU
79, Marcus Gilbert OT Florida
80, Pernell McPhee DE Mississippi State
81, Ben Ijalana G Villanova
82, Jabaal Sheard OLB Pittsburgh
83, Jalil Brown CB Colorado
84, DeMarco Murray RB Oklahoma
85, Rashad Carmichael CB Virginia Tech
86, Jerrel Jernigan WR Troy
87, Johnny Patrick CB Louisville
88, Jurrell Casey DT Southern California
89, Clint Boling G Georgia
90, Bilal Powell RB Louisville
91, Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa
92, Jaiquawn Jarrett S Temple
93, Brandon Burton CB Utah
94, Sam Acho DE Texas
95, James Brewer OT Indiana
96, Rob Housler TE Florida Atlantic
97, Quinton Carter S Oklahoma
98, Jerrell Powe NY Mississippi
99, Colin McCarthy OLB Miami
100, David Arkin OT Missouri State
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Gosselin on PTTD:
  • -- Smith slightly over Watt @9
  • -- as many as 6 QBs in 1st
  • -- "some people think" Petersen slides, Fairley slides
  • -- Mallett not top 5 QB
  • -- good 2nd Tier group of RBs
  • -- one of the worst LB boards in 10 years
  • -- Ayers 2nd round value, next best backer

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Gosselin on PTTD:

-- Smith slightly over Watt @9
-- as many as 6 QBs in 1st
-- "some people think" Petersen slides, Fairley slides
-- Mallett not top 5 QB
-- good 2nd Tier group of RBs
-- one of the worst LB boards in 10 years
-- Ayers 2nd round value
Rick Smith mentioned the same thing yesterday in his pre-draft press conference
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Texans will not trade up with Dallas in first round. Also, Amuk has short arms for a corner & only basic skills although he does have great size/speed. I rate Kareem Jackson as a better CB & most know I did not want him in first last season. We can get a better corner in 2nd with Brandon Harris.
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Gosselin has Justin Houston and Christian Ballard completely out of the top 100? I hope that was good weed, guys.
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Here is a picture of Prince playing Tennis.

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