Our offense is way overated.

[gafftop]

At the beginning of the game when it still mattered and the other team was interested the Texans were not good in many of the games. My feeling is that the other team got so far ahead that they either lost their intensity or changed their defense. Either that or the Texans were easy to figure out at the beginning during the scripted portion of the game. Whether the team was outmanned at the beginning or out coached it really doesn't matter they were not that good. I think they do need another quality receiver. I don't want to hear that jacoby or dorin are going to step up. You know the more I post the more depressed I get about the coming season. This year in the last game of the season that means absolutely NOTHING lose the damn game and get a better draft choice. Get your head out of your *** and think about the future. Give the backup QB some experience or maybe showcase one of the backups to entice a trade. And the beat goes on.

[Ryan]

Alrighty then.

[El Tejano]

Originally Posted by gafftop

At the beginning of the game when it still mattered and the other team was interested the Texans were not good in many of the games. My feeling is that the other team got so far ahead that they either lost their intensity or changed their defense. Either that or the Texans were easy to figure out at the beginning during the scripted portion of the game. Whether the team was outmanned at the beginning or out coached it really doesn't matter they were not that good. I think they do need another quality receiver. I don't want to hear that jacoby or dorin are going to step up. You know the more I post the more depressed I get about the coming season. This year in the last game of the season that means absolutely NOTHING lose the damn game and get a better draft choice. Get your head out of your *** and think about the future. Give the backup QB some experience or maybe showcase one of the backups to entice a trade. And the beat goes on.

Well, your post is one reason why I wouldn't be too shocked if Julio Jones fell to us and we picked him. For pretty much the reasons you suggested. Then when you figure that Andre Johnson has been hurt quite a bit over the last 3 seasons (which you gotta attribute some of the offensive sluggishness to not having him in the lineup) and then our depth is not where it needs to be on the WR corp. Even Kubes is quoted as saying that you are mistaken if you think they feel the offense is where it needs to be.

I do disagree that we are overrated. I believe much of it had to do with us getting our heads out of our butt be it the coaches or the players. Schaub has proven that he can move the ball and when the team is behind he can play well, and he he's done it with very little of a wr corp. If not for OD and Foster our passing game might be worse. What I noticed was a failure to adjust at halftime (San Diego, even Tenn at home) we came out tough and would look like crap in the second half. However, a team with a decent defense makes for a win (like the Tenn game at home showed) in those situations.

[ArlingtonTexan]

The offense is efficient and effective, but is not tempo dictating often enough. The best offenses in the league don't really have much better stats, but do what they want more than the Texans who tend take what's given. Honestly, not sure, if adding bodies can change the "attitude" of the offense.

[Norg]

i agree u know the funny thig is in 2009 we started fast but ended slow

-Going up 20+ on the Miami COlts San fran and others only two meltdown in the 3rd and 4th

thus the term jeckle and hyde came upon are team in the indivual games and the records 7-9 8-8 8-8 9-7

but in 2010 in was in reverse we started off slow only to end Fast

but iDKnow if u compare our Offensive to our peers in the AFC south i;d say we are right up there with the colts maybe even better at some thing even

now that we got Foster we are over the top we can Pass and RUN

[Big Lou]

Yeh they suck.

Matt Schaub: Wet noodle arm, injury prone, ill timed interceptions, only throws for over 4k per year.

Arian Foster: No better than an UFA, any RB with a 4+ YPC can't be any good.

Andre Johnson: Only bright spot, but he's just ah-ite. Too bad the Lions took Charles Rogers, we should have traded up.

Kevin Walters: Probably couldn't make any other teams roster.

Owen Daniels/Joel Dreessen: No wonder we keep drafting TE's every year.

Vonta Leach: couldn't open up a can of Pringles.


Screw drafting D, we desperately need to upgrade this pathetic Offense!!!! The Defense was just underrated last year, the statistics were skewed because of playing in the AFC South.

Sorry to be such a D--k, but even if our O is overrated, we could field the entire AFC Pro Bowl Offense, and we would still be 8 and 8 with the defensive scheme from last year. Lets draft 7 or 8 defenders this year and then lets talk WR in 2012.

Again sorry to be so mean, but I hate reading we should have lost a game for the draft. Besides drafting in the top 5 costs too much.

[eriadoc]

The defense usually gave up 2+TDs in the first half last year. The offense usually scored 1 or fewer TDs in the first half last year.

Those are both problems. Stats don't overcome either of those facts.

[Texanmike02]

Just out of idle curiosity, is there any chance that the offense takes a while to get going now because we run the ball? I mean there is something to be said for a team that runs the ball the way we did consistently. In the past we've been on the other end of a lot of games where we seemed to wear down on defense... and that seems like what happened to those other teams. If we had half a decent defense... heck if we finished in the top 22 or so we'd have made the playoffs. I don't know that you can say our offense is overrated so much as our defense is even more overrated than we ever knew. We literally lost a game in which we scored the game winning touch down. Oh, no... wait... there are more than 15 seconds left... yeah... kinda like that.

Mike

[Brisco_County]

Originally Posted by gafftop

...You know the more I post the more depressed I get about the coming season...

There's a way to fix that you know.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by Texanmike

Just out of idle curiosity, is there any chance that the offense takes a while to get going now because we run the ball? I mean there is something to be said for a team that runs the ball the way we did consistently. In the past we've been on the other end of a lot of games where we seemed to wear down on defense... and that seems like what happened to those other teams. If we had half a decent defense... heck if we finished in the top 22 or so we'd have made the playoffs. I don't know that you can say our offense is overrated so much as our defense is even more overrated than we ever knew. We literally lost a game in which we scored the game winning touch down. Oh, no... wait... there are more than 15 seconds left... yeah... kinda like that.

Mike

Agree.

[Norg]

i was comparing our WR to the JAGS and titans and we so out class them

Oline RB TE QB in everything

U know whos the QB of the titans right now

Ratliff & Rusty Smith

yup the got rid of Old kerry collins

[brakos82]

Originally Posted by Brisco_County

There's a way to fix that you know.

[SAMURAITEXAN]

Originally Posted by Texanmike

Just out of idle curiosity, is there any chance that the offense takes a while to get going now because we run the ball? I mean there is something to be said for a team that runs the ball the way we did consistently. In the past we've been on the other end of a lot of games where we seemed to wear down on defense... and that seems like what happened to those other teams. If we had half a decent defense... heck if we finished in the top 22 or so we'd have made the playoffs. I don't know that you can say our offense is overrated so much as our defense is even more overrated than we ever knew. We literally lost a game in which we scored the game winning touch down. Oh, no... wait... there are more than 15 seconds left... yeah... kinda like that.

Mike

Yap, you said it Mike. This is why we need to draft D more so than O.

Go Texans!!!

[gafftop]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Alrighty then.

lol

[HoustonFrog]

I'm a little afraid to respond in here because the topic has been broached many times and this feels like slight baiting

I agree with OP that the offense was just as much to blame in many games last year because of their slow starts. As far as blaming I don't know if this is Kubiak game planning, being outcoached, being too simple, ouththinking himself OR the players just never coming out ready..which is on the coaches. Either way it was a big problem. As for the last part about losing that last game..that has never been the way they have worked.

My personal opinion is that once they realized the offense got into a better rhythm in the hurry up they should have started games in it. That doesn't mean throwing. That means get in and out of the huddle and still run as you would whether it be out of the shutgun or under center...just pick up the pace. Yet every game started scripted and uninspired...sans Colts first game. At a certain point in the season why not go with a sped up offense? It almost makes me mad because this is the stuff that I think is directly on Gary and how he has to be in control. I think he will never be outside the box and it will continue to hurt him.

[gafftop]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

I'm a little afraid to respond in here because the topic has been broached many times and this feels like slight baiting

I agree with OP that the offense was just as much to blame in many games last year because of theirt slow starts. As far as blaming I don't know if this is Kubiak game planning, being outcoached, being too simple, ouththinking himself OR the players just never coming out ready..which is on the coaches. Either way it was a big problem. As for the last part about losing that last game..that has never been the way they have worked.

My personal opinion is that once they realized the offense got into a better rhythm in the hurry up they should have started games in it. That doesn't mean throwing. That means get in and out of the huddle and still run as you would whether it be out of the shutgun or under center...just pick up the pace. Yet every game started scripted and uninspired...sans Colts first game. At a certain point in the season why not go with a sped up offense? It almost makes me mad because this is the stuff that I think is directly on Gary and how he has to be in control. I think he will never be outside the box and it will continue to hurt him.

Frog,

What you say is the root of my/the problem. With the current head coach and FO I really see no hope in significant strides being made next year that will make us a playoff contender. It just feels to me that this will be a wasted season because I do not have any confidence in the coachingstaff/FO of this team. I know Wade is new and that gives me a very slight ray of hope but that is over shadowed by Kubiak and his buds.
C'mon Kubiak make me eat my words.

[Double Barrel]

Our offense is highly ranked with regards to statistics!

"Stats are for losers. The final score is for winners."
~ Bill Belichick

[Second Honeymoon]

The offense isn't the problem. The problem is leadership, enthusiasm/passion, and obviously the defense.

Another problem is this infatuation and obsession with PR and image. You know what helps PR and image more than spin doctors and the 'aww shucks, our kids are doing their best'? Actually trying to compete for championships and winning football games.

Stop acting like you are anything other than a losing football team with arguably the worst coach/GM combo in the league. Nothing we can do about our moron of an owner, but we could use a new coach and GM. Stat.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Big Lou

Yeh they suck.

Matt Schaub: Wet noodle arm, injury prone, ill timed interceptions, only throws for over 4k per year.

Arian Foster: No better than an UFA, any RB with a 4+ YPC can't be any good.

Andre Johnson: Only bright spot, but he's just ah-ite. Too bad the Lions took Charles Rogers, we should have traded up.

Kevin Walters: Probably couldn't make any other teams roster.

Owen Daniels/Joel Dreessen: No wonder we keep drafting TE's every year.

Vonta Leach: couldn't open up a can of Pringles.


Screw drafting D, we desperately need to upgrade this pathetic Offense!!!! The Defense was just underrated last year, the statistics were skewed because of playing in the AFC South.

Sorry to be such a D--k, but even if our O is overrated, we could field the entire AFC Pro Bowl Offense, and we would still be 8 and 8 with the defensive scheme from last year. Lets draft 7 or 8 defenders this year and then lets talk WR in 2012.

Again sorry to be so mean, but I hate reading we should have lost a game for the draft. Besides drafting in the top 5 costs too much.

The offense is good/not great. I hope they take BPA if that's Jones so be it. Drafting for need the last 5 yrs has resulted in the teams current state.

Top 5 costs too much? BoB would agree.

But the Talent base stinks and adding a top 6 guy in each rd could help rectify this somewhat. Think about the best draft in Texans history (2006) Where were the Texans picking? The best talent is always at the top of each rd.

Really why do fans care how much BoB spends on payroll? I dont get it. If he spends 1 million or 1 billion on payroll I dont care, I just want a winner. It's not my $$$$. If BoB isn't going to sign top tier FA's he should have to spend more on the top players in the draft. But he hasn't had to because Gary has kept winning meaning less games for the last 5 yrs.

I'm sure BoB likes this because it helps keep payroll down. But the net result is the Texans are lacking in talent and the fans are stuck with a 6-10,9-7 type team. Some fans expect more than mediocrity.

BTW, I was rooting for the Texans to win the Jags game. Even though I knew it would hurt their draft position. Because I'm just not wired to lose on purpose for any reason.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Our offense is highly ranked with regards to statistics!

"Stats are for losers. The final score is for winners."
~ Bill Belichick

Our offense last year was highly regarded for points which as you know produce the score. Our defense was highly regarded for giving up even more.

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

I'm sure BoB likes this because it helps keep payroll down.

The Texans have been at the top of the league in payroll every year. Spending money isn't the problem, spending it wisely is. That is why people care what McNair spends money on (that and cap ramifications).