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Old 04-17-2011   #1
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Default NFL PR tells me to be quiet. Like that's going to happen.

I had an odd interaction on Twitter with Greg Aiello, Senior VP of NFL PR last week. I recount it on the blog:


In which the NFL spokesman tells me to be quiet. Ha! Good luck with that.


Basically, this is the *news* that we happen to get when there is very little going on.

C'mon now.
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Default Re: NFL PR tells me to be quiet. Like that's going to happen.

You rabble-rouser, LOL.

I had to laugh because when I read this:

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Yes, I know that some people negotiate by making a series of ridiculous proposals that they know the other side won't like to try to make the still ridiculous proposals seems reasonable in comparison.
I thought, hey, just like the North Koreans...

I then read:

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Personally, when I negotiate things, I find that the North Korean method of negotiations as being counterproductive.
Too funny.
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You rabble-rouser, LOL.

I had to laugh because when I read this:



I thought, hey, just like the North Koreans...

I then read:



Too funny.
HA! I really do not like to rouse rabble. I just want to drink good beer, eat good BBQ, watch good football. Is that too much to ask? No sir. Not too much to ask in America.
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I had an odd interaction on Twitter with Greg Aiello, Senior VP of NFL PR last week. I recount it on the blog:


In which the NFL spokesman tells me to be quiet. Ha! Good luck with that.


Basically, this is the *news* that we happen to get when there is very little going on.

C'mon now.
Just simply OUTSTANDING work on that entry, TC. Seriously it was.

Rep your way if it lets me.

A well-reasoned and sincere entry if I ever saw one. The onus is on the party who says it needed "change" (the NFL in this case) to convince all sides as to why and how it should be changed.

They've done nothing but toss out what we all consider to be unreasonable and unrealistic "changes," such as the +2 reg season game proposal--Which I, as well, have always deemed as being unnecessary in so many aspects.

I fell the NFL thought their two hole cards were better than what happened when more community cards hit the table in this game of Hold 'Em that's being played. Ultimately, we just want the agitators to stand down and allow the 2011 season to be played.

Hopefully, a judge will make it happen and delay this nonsense for at least the 2011 reg season and post-season play.
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HA! I really do not like to rouse rabble. I just want to drink good beer, eat good BBQ, watch good football. Is that too much to ask? No sir. Not too much to ask in America.
It let me rep you. Took you from 1420 to 1466 rep points.

A +46 increase. And well-deserved, I will add.

Way to represent us AND other NFL fans!
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Every time I start to side with the players or the owners, the other group does something that just makes me lose faith in them even more. At this point, Im completely at a loss for who I dislike more. I can't believe he tweeted that at you. You handled that amazingly
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Just simply OUTSTANDING work on that entry, TC. Seriously it was.

Rep your way if it lets me.

A well-reasoned and sincere entry if I ever saw one. The onus is on the party who says it needed "change" (the NFL in this case) to convince all sides as to why and how it should be changed.

They've done nothing but toss out what we all consider to be unreasonable and unrealistic "changes," such as the +2 reg season game proposal--Which I, as well, have always deemed as being unnecessary in so many aspects.

I fell the NFL thought their two hole cards were better than what happened when more community cards hit the table in this game of Hold 'Em that's being played. Ultimately, we just want the agitators to stand down and allow the 2011 season to be played.

Hopefully, a judge will make it happen and delay this nonsense for at least the 2011 reg season and post-season play.
I do not know the following. This is what I think based on what I see:

In 2006, there were a couple of teams that didn't do well that year. And it made a lot of teams mad about the CBA. So the wheels got in motion for a new CBA, and to do that, they believed lockout was the only way to get players to cave.

But in the meantime, teams adjusted to the changed economics, and even with a bad economy, started making more money.

But when you choose a negotiation/legal approach, it is really hard back off of it. And the more vested you get, the more it gets that way as you lose money with lockout-related things (ad dollars, season ticket holders) and lawyer fees. It's a really bad dynamic that I've seen before because nobody wants to be held responsible for a poorly put together legal strategy. A slow but relentless inertia of ego sometimes pushes people toward a particular negotiation direction, and it is hard to move away from that, even with changed circumstances.

When they chose to go the renegotiate route, it was before the economy went south. They picked the absolute wrong time to redo the deal.

Just a theory.
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I do not know the following. This is what I think based on what I see:

In 2006, there were a couple of teams that didn't do well that year. And it made a lot of teams mad about the CBA. So the wheels got in motion for a new CBA, and to do that, they believed lockout was the only way to get players to cave.

But in the meantime, teams adjusted to the changed economics, and even with a bad economy, started making more money.

But when you choose a negotiation/legal approach, it is really hard back off of it. And the more vested you get, the more it gets that way as you lose money with lockout-related things (ad dollars, season ticket holders) and lawyer fees. It's a really bad dynamic that I've seen before because nobody wants to be held responsible for a poorly put together legal strategy. A slow but relentless inertia of ego sometimes pushes people toward a particular negotiation direction, and it is hard to move away from that, even with changed circumstances.

When they chose to go the renegotiate route, it was before the economy went south. They picked the absolute wrong time to redo the deal.

Just a theory.
I think it's a plausible theory.

Too much momentum, too much invested, and just pleading with everyone to see it their way and approve of their snowball headed for hell.

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TC, I caught your blog earlier today and could not help but have a good belly laugh inside. The NFL distinctly has control issues. The owners and their PR machine would do well to control themselves and STFU. (excuse my French).
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I had an odd interaction on Twitter with Greg Aiello, Senior VP of NFL PR last week. I recount it on the blog:


In which the NFL spokesman tells me to be quiet. Ha! Good luck with that.


Basically, this is the *news* that we happen to get when there is very little going on.

C'mon now.
Great work. I can't stand Aiello and I really think he has put more half truths and spin than any person out there. I know you aren't taking a side but I've been pro-players since Day 1, especially regarding safety, etc.
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Great work. I can't stand Aiello and I really think he has put more half truths and spin than any person out there. I know you aren't taking a side but I've been pro-players since Day 1, especially regarding safety, etc.

I think you can take the fans' side but believe that on certain issues the NFL has the better argument or the players' have the better argument. On most things with this particular dispute, I believe the players have the better argument.

However, I've read all the litigation documents so far, and I believe the parties are best off resolving issues amongst themselves. Both sides have significant legal risk.
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I think you can take the fans' side but believe that on certain issues the NFL has the better argument or the players' have the better argument. On most things with this particular dispute, I believe the players have the better argument.

However, I've read all the litigation documents so far, and I believe the parties are best off resolving issues amongst themselves. Both sides have significant legal risk.
Agree. Maybe lock them in a house with a bartender for a weekend and see what things get hammered out Again, nice work.
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Good job, TC. I'd rep you if the system would let me. Your voice as a fan is nice to be seen, and sad that the NFL front office sees it as ridiculous.

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Every time I start to side with the players or the owners, the other group does something that just makes me lose faith in them even more. At this point, Im completely at a loss for who I dislike more. I can't believe he tweeted that at you. You handled that amazingly
I'm reaching that point, as well. While this is the off-season and the lock-out is not changing anything that I do in the spring, just reading it is turning me off to the league.

I watch my son and other boys his age play football, and they have a pure passion and joy about the sport that is unrivaled in the upper levels of football. While I'd never try to make the case that it's the same product as the NFL, there is a certain positive feeling you get when watching boys play for nothing but the fun of it. Sure they want to win, but it's not the be all/end all. And it's never for a paycheck.

I'm a bit different than a lot of folks, though. I'm disgusted with both the players and the owners, but where I'm different is that I don't feel bad for fans. We allowed this mess with tax-payer financed stadiums while our cities' critical infrastructure rots around us, we shill out the big bucks to support this nonsense, and the blind allegiance to teams allows certain owners to field perpetually crappy products without repercussions from fans.

Maybe I'm slowing (d)evolving into an old curmudgeon, but I don't give a crap any more. Our country's future is slowing sliding down the slippery slope with a runaway deficit spending and too many issues to count, so watching these people duke it out over a $9 billion dollar pie has become a waste of my time.

Either that or this is a bad Monday morning attitude with a severe allergy attack...it's hard to tell the difference these days.
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Agree. Maybe lock them in a house with a bartender for a weekend and see what things get hammered out Again, nice work.
Or maybe lock them in a house with hammers for a weekend and see what gets hammered out.
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There he goes again:

In which the NFL spokesperson tries to little lady me. Odd PR choice.

WTH?

There is no smilie for this, but imagine a TC facepalm.
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There he goes again:

In which the NFL spokesperson tries to little lady me. Odd PR choice.

WTH?

There is no smilie for this, but imagine a TC facepalm.
Aiello just isn't going to learn is he?

As PFT explained quite clearly yesterday, the Lincoln quote they're using referrs to not suing you neighbor over a fence dispute, it has ZERO to do with "Big Business" and make no mistake about it, that's what the NFL is.
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You know that I have mad respect for you, TC... but honestly... this squabble = BORING. Ignore him and write something worthwhile. I'm watching enough bickering with the owners/players. Watching this squabble with you guys is a slap in the face at this point. Keep what you're doing but walk away from Aiello's taunts... he's a moron and you're letting him bait you...
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I don't follow the WV guy reference?
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I don't follow the WV guy reference?
Yeah, I'm admittedly dense, but I don't get it (picturing "Big" w/Tom Hanks right bout now). It starts with not knowing who Jeff Kessler is, but even after I found out he's the player's attorney, I don't get it. *shrug*
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