My final 2005 mock

[F-minus67]

trades:

TB trades 5th and 36th to MIA for 2nd and a late round pick
Hou trades 13th, 73rd and swap 4th round picks with Washington for 9th
PHI trades 31st and 63rd to Dallas for 20th pick

1. 49ers - QB Aaron Rogers, Cal
2. Bucs - HB Ronnie Brown, Auburn
3. Browns - QB Alex Smith, Utah
4. Bears - WR Braylon Edwards, Michigan
5. Dolphins - HB Cedric Benson, Texas
6. Titans - CB Pac Man Jones, West Virginia
7. Vikings - WR Mike Williams, USC
8. Cardinals - CB Antrel Rolle, Miami
9. Texans - LB Derrick Johnson, Texas
10. Detroit - DE Marcus Spears, LSU
11. Cowboys - LB Shawne Merriman, Maryland
12. San Diego - WR Troy Williamson, South Carolina
13. Redskins - CB Carlos Rogers, Auburn
14. Panthers - LT Alex Barron, Florida State
15. Chiefs - SS/LB - Thomas Davis, Georgia
16. Saints - DE/LB Demarcus Ware, Troy
17. Bengals - DT Travis Johnson, Florida State
18. Vikings - OG Elton Brown, Virginia
19. St. Louis - OT Jammal Brown, Oklahoma
20. Eagles - LB Darryl Blackstock, Virginia
21. Jaquars - CB Justin Miller, Clemson
22. Baltimore - WR Mark Clayton, Oklahoma
23. Seattle - DE David Pollack, Georgia
24. Packers - OG David Baas, Michigan
25. Broncos - DE/DT Shaun Cody, USC
26. Jets - TE Heath Miller, Virginia
27. Falcons - FS Brodney Pool, Oklahoma
28. Chargers - DE/LB Matt Roth, Iowa
29. Colts - CB Fabian Washington, Nebraska
30. Steelers - LB Channing Crowder, Florida
31. Cowboys - S Ernest Shazor, Michigan
32. Patriots - LB Barrett Ruud, Nebraska

[YodAa]

I like it, cept it would be better if the Bucs took BMW.
one more thing, I don't think Cadillac will drop all the way to the 2nd round.

[D-ReK]

Word is Casserly won't trade with Snyder because he doesn't want to help out the guy that fired him...

[texman8]

Sorry, Dolphins don't have 2nd round pick thanks to Feeley trade.

[YodAa]

I think he means the 2nd overall pick

[TexansCanes]

Originally Posted by texman8

Sorry, Dolphins don't have 2nd round pick thanks to Feeley trade.

sorry but he doesn't have miami trading a 2nd round pick, it's the 2nd overall pick.

Word is Casserly won't trade with Snyder because he doesn't want to help out the guy that fired him...

i don't like the sound of that if it is true, you can't let a personal vendetta get in the way of the team. also who says that a trade in the draft would necessarily help them out, wouldn't it help us out just as much.

i have a question about your mock, i haven't been following any of your others (if you have had more than one) but did you just forget cadillac williams or just don't think to highly of him?

[D-ReK]

Originally Posted by TexansCanes

i don't like the sound of that if it is true, you can't let a personal vendetta get in the way of the team. also who says that a trade in the draft would necessarily help them out, wouldn't it help us out just as much.

Casserly has worked out a trade with Snyder before (the epic Wuerfell for Deloach trade of 2002), but according to John McClain, Cass has no interest in trading picks to the 'Skins...

[scourge]

Carnell falling out of the first is highly unlikely

[F-minus67]

Well people didn't think that Kevin Jones would fall to the 30th pick last year.
I think that the Bucs need a steady running attack, more than a new qb who has to learn their complicated system. The browns said that they pass on Rogers if he was there at their pick, but I don't think they will pass on Smith. I also think that DJ will make more of an impact than any other defensive player in this draft, plus he is more of a complete player than any tweener in this draft.

[YodAa]

I think theres a strong possibility that either Benson or Cadillac could fall to the 2ndand if Cadillac falls all the way to the 2nd and hes there at #36 the Bucs better take him.

[F-minus67]

It seems that Benson and Williams stock has fallen a lot since the end of the season, while Brown's stock has shot threw the roof.

[TexansCanes]

if by fallen you mean to the 2nd and 3rd rb in the draft. your kevin jones aregument doesn't really apply because these two are are better running backs and a lot higher rated in this draft than jones becuase of how deep it was last year. i think that cass just needs to get over what happened, stuff like that happens all the time.

[F-minus67]

This years draft is just as deep, if not deeper at HB than last years. And also if you look at a lot of the teams this year, not many have a pressing need for a RB besides the 49ers, Bucs, Dolphins, Cardinals and the Bears. And in my mock the Bucs and Dolphins took care of there need for one and the others have high second round picks so they can grab one like Williams or Fason.

[TheTim5125]

Remember we have 2 3rd round picks we could one and our 13th pick for the 9th overall... i just think we need to get ahead of det because they will take DJ if he drops that far...

[bckey]

Originally Posted by TheTim5125

Remember we have 2 3rd round picks we could one and our 13th pick for the 9th overall... i just think we need to get ahead of det because they will take DJ if he drops that far...

I did read or hear that one team we will not trade with is the Redskins. Its a Daniel Snyder/Charlie Casserly thing. With that in mind we could trade up to the 8 spot with Arizona. It shouldn't cost us but 1 of our 3rds and a 4th along with our 1st and the 4th could be next years maybe. We could even move up to the 6th spot with the Titans for our 1st and 2nd according to the value board. I would only move up for Braylon Edwards, DJ, or Antrel Rolle. Anyone else we should stay at 13 or trade down. I'm more sold on trading down than up. The prospects from the mid first to the early 4th are really good.

[F-minus67]

I figured that I would add the rest of the texans picks

1. OLB Derrick Johnson, Texas
2. OG Evan Mathis, Alabama
3. WR Terrence Murphy, Texas A&M
4. ILB Adam Seward, U.N.L.V.
5. DT Anthony Bryant, Alabama
6. TE Adam Bergen, Lehigh
7a. DE Will Svitek, Stanford
7b. OT Erik Pears, Colorado St