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Old 04-12-2011   #1
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Default Big market cities!!!!!!!!

Why is Houston not one of the big markets like New York, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia, Pittsburg etc.

It seems like we don't get any (or hardly) any coverage on channels like the NFL network and espn.

Why is that??
Is it because we are an expansion team with out history?? or is it something else?

Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, with a good economy, from what i read good health care system, diverse culture etc.

Do you think that if the team started making consecutive playoff appearance that Houston would get recognised more??

Its similar for other franchises you guys have like the rockets and Astros.

In terms of stereotypes from what i hear over here in Australia, Texas is suppose to be football crazy so why don't we here more about your texans on the national stage. Considering the size of Houston i thought it would be in the NFL interests to do so.

what are your thoughts on this??


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Why is Houston not one of the big markets like New York, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia, Pittsburg etc.

It seems like we don't get any (or hardly) any coverage on channels like the NFL network and espn.

Why is that??
Is it because we are an expansion team with out history?? or is it something else?

Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, with a good economy, from what i read good health care system, diverse culture etc.

Do you think that if the team started making consecutive playoff appearance that Houston would get recognised more??

Its similar for other franchises you guys have like the rockets and Astros.

In terms of stereotypes from what i hear over here in Australia, Texas is suppose to be football crazy so why don't we here more about your texans on the national stage. Considering the size of Houston i thought it would be in the NFL interests to do so.

what are your thoughts on this??


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I think you pretty much explained why.

1. New expansion team
2. 4th largest but we had the Oilers prior to Texans which takes away some
fans from Houston
3.State of Texas is football crazy but the most of Texans are Cowboy fans
4. Not much of the follower outside of Texas

The Texans had to start winning and need to go playoffs often to get more national and international exposure.

Go Texans!!!
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I think you pretty much explained why.

1. New expansion team
2. 4th largest but we had the Oilers prior to Texans which takes away some
fans from Houston
3.State of Texas is football crazy but the most of Texans are Cowboy fans
4. Not much of the follower outside of Texas

The Texans had to start winning and need to go playoffs often to get more national and international exposure.

Go Texans!!!
Yes, bottomline we do not get nearly as equal as coverage. Case and point, Dallas had a crappy season last year but every time I turned on ESPN or NFLN that's what was being talked about. So it's not relative to how you are doing this year (which it should be) but more about the history and perception of the team. Sometimes it feels like let's keep popular teams popular even if they are stinking it up.
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The Oilers got plenty of national coverage. (Buffalo, thanks Warren the wife beater Moon)

The Texans have little history and what history they have is that of being a joke. think about how many highlights you see with a Texan getting burned for a TD. When the Texans start winning they will become relevant.

The national media loves a good story. When Gary is fired and Wade becomes HC. Bums boy taking over a new Houston franchise will be a big national story. Bottom line is winning= national coverage.

So far the Texans have failed miserably at putting a winning product on the field.
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I agree with the reasonings except they aren't an expansion team anymore. That term bothers me and I think "excuse" when I hear it. It comes down to one thing...winning. The Jets were laughing stocks for years and then Favre went there, Rex Ryan went there, Mark Sanchez went there and they were winning and getting attention. Teams either have history or they are a top team and that is what alot if based on.
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Because all of our sports teams aren't very good. The city is very much divided in terms of what teams people root for.

Short answer: we aren't as unified nor as passionate compared to other cities that are considered 'big markets'


Plus its hot as crap.
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I think you pretty much explained why.

1. New expansion team
2. 4th largest but we had the Oilers prior to Texans which takes away some
fans from Houston
3.State of Texas is football crazy but the most of Texans are Cowboy fans
4. Not much of the follower outside of Texas

The Texans had to start winning and need to go playoffs often to get more national and international exposure.

Go Texans!!!
Sorry Samurai, none of that is true.

While Houston may be the 4th largest city in the US, we are 10th in market size. Your usual suspects take up the first three: New York, LA and Chicago. After those three are Philadelphia (which it's market includes most of Eastern PA and much of New Jersey. Next would Dallas-Fort Worthless (Sorry Frog ) which their market includes three legitimate cities. After that is San Francisco/Oakland. Again the combining of multiple cities.

How is it that the second largest city in Texas and 7th largest city in the US (San Antonio) is ranked 37th tv markets?
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Why is Houston not one of the big markets like New York, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia, Pittsburg etc.

It seems like we don't get any (or hardly) any coverage on channels like the NFL network and espn.

Why is that??
Is it because we are an expansion team with out history?? or is it something else?

Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, with a good economy, from what i read good health care system, diverse culture etc.

Do you think that if the team started making consecutive playoff appearance that Houston would get recognised more??

Its similar for other franchises you guys have like the rockets and Astros.

In terms of stereotypes from what i hear over here in Australia, Texas is suppose to be football crazy so why don't we here more about your texans on the national stage. Considering the size of Houston i thought it would be in the NFL interests to do so.

what are your thoughts on this??


GO TEXANS!!!!!
We are 10th in market size, which is still pretty good sized. You have to understand, Houston's market is essentially the city of Houston and the suburbs surrounding it. Other markets i.e. Philly or Washington DC and Baltimore overlap one another and extend into New Jersey and Virginia. Dallas (aka DFW) Dallas, Fort Worth AND Arlington in between, are ALL considered 1 market. San Francisco and Oakland are considered one market. LA's market extends all the way south until, well it turns into San Diego's market (ranked 28th).

Pittsburgh ranks 23rd in terms of market size.

This density map illustrates a lot:

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Sorry Samurai, none of that is true.

While Houston may be the 4th largest city in the US, we are 10th in market size. Your usual suspects take up the first three: New York, LA and Chicago. After those three are Philadelphia (which it's market includes most of Eastern PA and much of New Jersey. Next would Dallas-Fort Worthless (Sorry Frog ) which their market includes three legitimate cities. After that is San Francisco/Oakland. Again the combining of multiple cities.

How is it that the second largest city in Texas and 7th largest city in the US (San Antonio) is ranked 37th tv markets?
I got your point Bill. What I want to say is that if we become regular appearance team in playoffs, we will get more national and international exposure and fan base will grow with it. I am doing my part here in Japan. I am telling(Not asking) my friends to watch the Texans at least once. But when you are not winning, they just don't watch anymore.

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TV programming is all about trying to capitalize on subjects that the public wants to see. And at the end of the day, the Texans are not a compelling subject to cover with just one winning season in franchise history. Nobody wants to watch boring, sucktastic football...outside of the team's fanbase, of course.
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I got your point Bill. What I want to say is that if we become regular appearance team in playoffs, we will get more national and international exposure and fan base will grow with it. I am doing my part here in Japan. I am telling(Not asking) my friends to watch the Texans at least once. But when you are not winning, they just don't watch anymore.

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TB explained it right .... and the image helps show his point.

Sure they will get more coverage if they win but it wont change the market size .... Just the exposure.
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We are 10th in market size, which is still pretty good sized. You have to understand, Houston's market is essentially the city of Houston and the suburbs surrounding it. Other markets i.e. Philly or Washington DC and Baltimore overlap one another and extend into New Jersey and Virginia. Dallas (aka DFW) Dallas, Fort Worth AND Arlington in between, are ALL considered 1 market. San Francisco and Oakland are considered one market. LA's market extends all the way south until, well it turns into San Diego's market (ranked 28th).

Pittsburgh ranks 23rd in terms of market size.

This density map illustrates a lot:

You are 100 percent correct, my friend. Houston is twice the size of Dallas, but Dallas-Ft. Worth is almost twice the size of Metro Houston.

Another example is Norfolk and Virginia Beach, Virginia. Those two cities are right next to each other, and have like 2 million people. That's a huge market for a major sports team. But they won't ever get one, because the Redskins have claimed that market. Thus, making Washington, D.C. a larger television market.

It's also one reason why, although Texas could support a third NFL team, it will never, ever, ever happen.
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You are 100 percent correct, my friend. Houston is twice the size of Dallas, but Dallas-Ft. Worth is almost twice the size of Metro Houston.

Another example is Norfolk and Virginia Beach, Virginia. Those two cities are right next to each other, and have like 2 million people. That's a huge market for a major sports team. But they won't ever get one, because the Redskins have claimed that market. Thus, making Washington, D.C. a larger television market.

It's also one reason why, although Texas could support a third NFL team, it will never, ever, ever happen.
You know, the owner of the Saints made a big push to move that team to San Antonio or LA just after hurricane Katrina, right?
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We are the 10th richest sports franchise in the WORLD.
Must mean that we fans from a small area are avid enough to be "spreading the wealth" to those in much more need........like McNair. But we all know that Houston fans suck.
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We are the 10th richest sports franchise in the WORLD.
Must mean that we fans from a small area are avid enough to be "spreading the wealth" to those in much more need........like McNair. But we all know that Houston fans suck.
You should've listened to the interview with Earl and Bum today on 1560... Lotsa love for Houston fans, the city and the passion that we reciprocated to those guys (amongst many others as well).

Actually, I think they have it up on Podcast on 1560 and/or TravisRodgersNow.com -or- Sporting News Radio.

As a one time Aggie (once an Aggie, always an Aggie), Gig'em Earl and Bum!!!
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You are 100 percent correct, my friend. Houston is twice the size of Dallas, but Dallas-Ft. Worth is almost twice the size of Metro Houston.

Another example is Norfolk and Virginia Beach, Virginia. Those two cities are right next to each other, and have like 2 million people. That's a huge market for a major sports team. But they won't ever get one, because the Redskins have claimed that market. Thus, making Washington, D.C. a larger television market.

It's also one reason why, although Texas could support a third NFL team, it will never, ever, ever happen.
Wait, what? No it's not. There is only like a 300K difference between Metro Houston and Dallas-Fort Worth (basically, the population of the City of Arlington). And both places are at about 6M each, so that 300K difference is hardly noticeable, in the grand scheme of things. City limit boundaries mean nothing when determining market size. If that was the case, then San Antonio would be a top ten market. Instead, it's in the late 20s or early 30s.
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You should've listened to the interview with Earl and Bum today on 1560... Lotsa love for Houston fans, the city and the passion that we reciprocated to those guys (amongst many others as well).

Actually, I think they have it up on Podcast on 1560 and/or TravisRodgersNow.com -or- Sporting News Radio.

As a one time Aggie (once an Aggie, always an Aggie), Gig'em Earl and Bum!!!
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TB explained it right .... and the image helps show his point.

Sure they will get more coverage if they win but it wont change the market size .... Just the exposure.
I think, Aussie's original question is why we don't get more coverage from ESPN and NFL network. Now, geographic size(population density) of the market is what Bill posted(nice job Bill). But, market can fluctuate by popularity of the team.(If you look the Texans as a product) I believe, The Oilers (Luv ya Blue era) had more fans than Texans and we had more follower in Texas(outside of Houston market) if I recall right. (I used live in Houston during this era)

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I think, Aussie's original question is why we don't get more coverage from ESPN and NFL network. Now, geographic size(population density) of the market is what Bill posted(nice job Bill). But, market can fluctuate by popularity of the team.(If you look the Texans as a product) I believe, The Oilers (Luv ya Blue era) had more fans than Texans and we had more follower in Texas(outside of Houston market) if I recall right. (I used live in Houston during this era)

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The name of the team also helps. The name "Texans" is just too local to really catch on outside of the state, IMO. You never know. Maybe if the team has some success, it'll be different.
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Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack View Post
The name of the team also helps. The name "Texans" is just too local to really catch on outside of the state, IMO. You never know. Maybe if the team has some success, it'll be different.
Yes, you are right. The naming is very important however, when you started to hear often enough(like you mention "success"). People can get used to the name.

Personally, good naming or not, I am just glad that we have NFL team in Houston. Because, I love Houston.

Go Texans!!!
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