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That's what NFLPA outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler is strongly advocating.

Watch the entire interview with Daniel Kaplan of the Sports Business Journal at the end of the article.

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That's what NFLPA outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler is strongly advocating.

Watch the entire interview with Daniel Kaplan of the Sports Business Journal at the end of the article.

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So the NFL will wind up being like FIFA. A few rich clubs who sign ever good player and the rest will be teams will be warm ups until you play one of the rich clubs.

This works great in Spain. Every season we have the excitement of guessing who will win La Liga, Real Madrid or Barcelona.
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So the NFL will wind up being like FIFA. A few rich clubs who sign ever good player and the rest will be teams will be warm ups until you play one of the rich clubs.

This works great in Spain. Every season we have the excitement of guessing who will win La Liga, Real Madrid or Barcelona.
There'd still be a salary cap
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So the NFL will wind up being like FIFA. A few rich clubs who sign ever good player and the rest will be teams will be warm ups until you play one of the rich clubs.

This works great in Spain. Every season we have the excitement of guessing who will win La Liga, Real Madrid or Barcelona.
One part of me wants the players to win the anti-trust lawsuit(s). I think it would be funny to watch the players get what they want and then realize what they want stinks.

In this kind of scenerio, a few players on a few teams would get huge dollars and the rest would get crap. Think about how much would you pay Jacoby Jones if there wasn't a league minimum? Wages for special teamers and marginal players would get beat down while everybody would pay through the nose for a Tom Brady of Payton Manning. If you think their salary is big now, just wait.

Small market teams would crumble. Teams like Buffalo would have to move to larger cities with a more vibrant economy so they could charge more for tickets to pay for the one or two big players that every team needs to compete.
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So the NFL will wind up being like FIFA. A few rich clubs who sign ever good player and the rest will be teams will be warm ups until you play one of the rich clubs.

This works great in Spain. Every season we have the excitement of guessing who will win La Liga, Real Madrid or Barcelona.
Don't people in the European Leagues get bored of this?
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Default Re: An End to the NFL Draft??

After the judge listens to the arguments today, I'm hearing she may take up to 2 weeks to rule at which time the side that's on the losing side of her decision will appeal, and it'll take the appelate process 4 to 6 weeks to come up with a ruling which puts us into the June/July time period.
In other words, sounds to me like nuttin is gonna happen anytime soon ?
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There'd still be a salary cap
Actually there would not be a salary cap (nor floor, which is more important for the rank and file player) nor roster limits amoung other items which are collectively bargained that otherwise are very illegal in a kinda capitalistic system.
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Actually there would not be a salary cap (nor floor, which is more important for the rank and file player) nor roster limits amoung other items which are collectively bargained that otherwise are very illegal in a kinda capitalistic system.
There's a payroll cap at my work. Managers are told to keep their labor percentage at a certain percentage of profit, or they don't get to manage very long. Isn't that a salary cap?
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There's a payroll cap at my work. Managers are told to keep their labor percentage at a certain percentage of profit, or they don't get to manage very long. Isn't that a salary cap?
That's a self-imposed policy which points to the main point. If there is no CBA then each team can decide what it wants to spend, no floor and no ceiling uniform across the league.
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There's a payroll cap at my work. Managers are told to keep their labor percentage at a certain percentage of profit, or they don't get to manage very long. Isn't that a salary cap?
Sounds more like a team mandated salary cap than league-wide... each owner deciding how much he wants to spend. That would be similar to major league baseball.

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That's a self-imposed policy which points to the main point. If there is no CBA then each team can decide what it wants to spend, no floor and no ceiling uniform across the league.
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Sounds more like a team mandated salary cap than league-wide... each owner deciding how much he wants to spend. That would be similar to major league baseball.


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They are a corporation. It isn't determined at the store level. It's dictated from HQ in California.
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They are a corporation. It isn't determined at the store level. It's dictated from HQ in California.
Each team is a separate corporation. The league has no authority to tell them what to spend.
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Each team is a separate corporation. The league has no authority to tell them what to spend.
But they can agree not to. That's what they did right? They chose to join the NFL. They could be a team in the UFL, or start their own league. By joining the NFL, they agree to rules the NFL sets in place. On a smaller scale it's like choosing to live in a Homeowner's Association.

As far as a league without a draft I'm not sure it would be as crippling as some fear. I wouldn't mind a system like MLB's at all. I know that MLB has a draft, but it's far less important since they draft their players years before they develop them. I think you could see teams drafting young players and coaching them in a certain system, then going on to be very successful. Football seems more system based anyway, so it could be very effective. Think Twins or A's.
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But they can agree not to. That's what they did right? They chose to join the NFL. They could be a team in the UFL, or start their own league. By joining the NFL, they agree to rules the NFL sets in place. On a smaller scale it's like choosing to live in a Homeowner's Association.
The point is that there would be an absence of that rule set by the league.

In your analogy, your CA HQ is "the NFL" and each individual store, whose salary caps in dictated, are individual NFL franchises.
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The point is that there would be an absence of that rule set by the league.

In your analogy, your CA HQ is "the NFL" and each individual store, whose salary caps in dictated, are individual NFL franchises.
Sure, and my store can leave that HQ and franchise with someone different.
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There's a payroll cap at my work. Managers are told to keep their labor percentage at a certain percentage of profit, or they don't get to manage very long. Isn't that a salary cap?
This would work if the NFL is considered a single business entity, which the league argues when it is to its advantage. The reality is that the NFL is 32 separate businesses (Supreme court 9-0) with a close working relationship. One is which, either by agreement with its major employees (the players) or government allowance (baseball has an anti-trust exemption and the NFL has lost anti-trust cases) can operate as though it were one at certain times:

Therefore, the Court ruled that Section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act applies to the NFL, and ruled that any unilateral decision made by the NFL that affect all the teams shall be viewed under the so-called “Rule of Reason” for antitrust purposes. Under the “Rule of Reason,” a lower court has to examine all of the circumstances to determine whether and to what degree the action is anticompetitive. WSJ link below


For light bedtime reading:

The American Needle Case (relates to whether the NFL is one business or thirty-two)

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-661.pdf

A little more straight forward

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/05/24/...t-against-nfl/
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But they can agree not to. That's what they did right? They chose to join the NFL. They could be a team in the UFL, or start their own league. By joining the NFL, they agree to rules the NFL sets in place. On a smaller scale it's like choosing to live in a Homeowner's Association.
The CBA between the players and the league is what set the cap rules. It no longer exists. There is no agreement between the teams and league for the league to set a floor or cap for each team. In fact the case the players have filed is that any agreement like that would be illegal.

The league itself makes basically no decisions about the management of the teams. The owners vote by super-majority for what happens.
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NM I finally figured it out. Just needed a little lunch in me I guess. Thanks guys for setting me straight.
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