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Old 04-13-2011   #81
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The Texans won't be different untill they have hired a proven HC with a track record otherwise I expect nothing but the same old garbage.
We did that already....& we sucked. Granted we were an expansion team....but he had a "track record" of doing well with expansion teams also so.

Whomever that coach is that takes us on our 1st deep playoff run will be immortalized like Bum Phillips around here...
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We did that already....& we sucked. Granted we were an expansion team....but he had a "track record" of doing well with expansion teams also so.

Whomever that coach is that takes us on our 1st deep playoff run will be immortalized like Bum Phillips around here...
We are not a new team anymore and Carr did not help nor did some others so maybe we should try one more time.
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Whomever that coach is that takes us on our 1st deep playoff run will be immortalized like Bum Phillips around here...
Which is huge problem with this fan base.
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We did that already....& we sucked. Granted we were an expansion team....but he had a "track record" of doing well with expansion teams also so.

Whomever that coach is that takes us on our 1st deep playoff run will be immortalized like Bum Phillips around here...
Capers was a better HC than Kubiak. Capers was saddled with Carr and an expansion roster. McNair and Casserley screwed the pooch when they drafted an overrated Carr as the face of the franchise. You can't win with crap at QB. It's a scientific fact. And dont bother bringing up The Dilfer Paradox. He was at least serviceable and could read a defense.
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Capers was a better HC than Kubiak. Capers was saddled with Carr and an expansion roster. McNair and Casserley screwed the pooch when they drafted an overrated Carr as the face of the franchise. You can't win with crap at QB. It's a scientific fact. And dont bother bringing up The Dilfer Paradox. He was at least serviceable and could read a defense.
When it comes to HHWNBM - I wonder how much the lack of protection did to screw up his development , especially that first year. After that he was Mr Happy Feet ..... ..... Not that I want to turn this into a HHWNBM thread .... Just a passing thought , dont answer the question
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When it comes to HHWNBM - I wonder how much the lack of protection did to screw up his development , especially that first year. After that he was Mr Happy Feet ..... ..... Not that I want to turn this into a HHWNBM thread .... Just a passing thought , dont answer the question
It's easy to remember it that way, but it's not true.

If you look at it statistically, it's pretty glaring. He broke during the 2004 season. The first half of that season, he averaged 270 yards per game and 2 games over 300 yards. He had 4 games with a passer rating over 100 and his other games weren't that bad.

The second half of the 2004 season was a totally different story. He had 3 games where he barely squeaked over 200 yards and the rest of the games were worse than that. He averaged 170 yards per game. He didn't have any game with over a 94 passer rating and two games in the 30's. His passer rating average dropped from 94.3 to 72.5.

Something happened in either the Denver game where we got creamed 31-3 or possibly even the Jacksonville game before that where we won. He was never the same after that.

So I don't think it was the sacks he took his first season that broke him.
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He developed a serious case of broke-back rocky mountain way, hence the Denver...........connection
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Carr was also made a pretty boy when he first came here. With his hair and his father who would come to practice and I heard from Texans sources that daddy Carr wanted to control Carr during practices. His family followed every move David would make I also heard so take that FWIW.
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Capers was a better HC than Kubiak.
Not even close as their records clearly reflect. And if we aren't going to look at records he did jack in his area of expertise.

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It's easy to remember it that way, but it's not true.

If you look at it statistically, it's pretty glaring. He broke during the 2004 season. The first half of that season, he averaged 270 yards per game and 2 games over 300 yards. He had 4 games with a passer rating over 100 and his other games weren't that bad.
I think that was a braking point but I think it was by Capers and I think it was the Indy game that year. Capers had been letting them throw the ball. Then in Indy HWWNBN threw 3 INT's and no TD's and after that the offense notably shut down. Vinny and I talked about it a few weeks later. Up to that game every game at least 200 yards passing. After Indy it took YAC to sniff 200 yds.
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It's easy to remember it that way, but it's not true.

If you look at it statistically, it's pretty glaring. He broke during the 2004 season. The first half of that season, he averaged 270 yards per game and 2 games over 300 yards. He had 4 games with a passer rating over 100 and his other games weren't that bad.

The second half of the 2004 season was a totally different story. He had 3 games where he barely squeaked over 200 yards and the rest of the games were worse than that. He averaged 170 yards per game. He didn't have any game with over a 94 passer rating and two games in the 30's. His passer rating average dropped from 94.3 to 72.5.

Something happened in either the Denver game where we got creamed 31-3 or possibly even the Jacksonville game before that where we won. He was never the same after that.

So I don't think it was the sacks he took his first season that broke him.
Combo of both really with him. I'm sure he never really had it to begin with, but any chance he might've had to develop into at least a serviceable qb got nixed those 1st couple of years with all the sacks he took. I mean c'mon, look who was protecting the guy:

Milford Brown...Zach Wiegert....Chester Pitts....Seth Wand..Steve Mckinney.....Todd Washington..

More than half of these bums' careers immediately ended as soon as they were cut/ released from our roster & that says something if only a part of the story anyway.
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Let's not have a split Carr talk again. The guy was NEVER going to be a servicable NFL QB. Troy Aikman got pummeled his first year and then when the team and line improved, so do his game. But through all the pummeling he was still an accurate passer who did well...(see Cards game where he threw TD while taking it on the chin). The whole "blame it on the sacks thing" was such a media farce. How about blame half of them on the line and half on Carr having zero pocket presence. That is stuff you either get or you don't. Carr never did and when he went to teams with good O-lines he still sucked. He never got two basic tenets of QBing...throw the ball away and don't stare down WRs. The guy didn't study film, he was an 9am-5pm guy where football wasn't his life and he just wasn't that good. Whenever the transition started once the game got in his head, he was a mess. I mean hell, I can't stand Kubiak but QBs have done well under him and he couldn't even get Carr to thrive in any way...unless you include 5 yard outs.
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Let's not have a split Carr talk again. The guy was NEVER going to be a servicable NFL QB. Troy Aikman got pummeled his first year and then when the team and line improved, so do his game. But through all the pummeling he was still an accurate passer who did well...(see Cards game where he threw TD while taking it on the chin). The whole "blame it on the sacks thing" was such a media farce. How about blame half of them on the line and half on Carr having zero pocket presence. That is stuff you either get or you don't. Carr never did and when he went to teams with good O-lines he still sucked. He never got two basic tenets of QBing...throw the ball away and don't stare down WRs. The guy didn't study film, he was an 9am-5pm guy where football wasn't his life and he just wasn't that good. Whenever the transition started once the game got in his head, he was a mess. I mean hell, I can't stand Kubiak but QBs have done well under him and he couldn't even get Carr to thrive in any way...unless you include 5 yard outs.
I don't think anyone's desputing otherwise, it's just acknowledging other factors that played a part in his suckiness is really what i was getting at.
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I don't think anyone's desputing otherwise, it's just acknowledging other factors that played a part in his suckiness is really what i was getting at.
It wasn't geared towards you specifically, just the debate in general. I thought it was left and settled in the dust and then followed by the Sage debate and now the Gary debate.
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It wasn't geared towards you specifically, just the debate in general. I thought it was left and settled in the dust and then followed by the Sage debate and now the Gary debate.

No one paid attention to the white text that said "Just a passing thought , dont answer the question".
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No one paid attention to the white text that said "Just a passing thought , dont answer the question".
Dude. You don't say something like that and expect people not to answer. That's like going into a religious forum and going on an expletive filled rant accusing Jesus and Mary of all sorts of horrible things and then ending with "oh nevermind, please don't respond."

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Dude. You don't say something like that and expect people not to answer. That's like going into a religious forum and going on an expletive filled rant accusing Jesus and Mary of all sorts of horrible things and then ending with "oh nevermind, please don't respond."

Not.

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I know .... I just thought it kinda funny.


Enough of HHWNBM , lets talk more about firing Kubiak
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At this point I'd just as soon fire Goodell as Kubiak.

Did I just say that?


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I bet the cheerleaders and cameramen's heads were on swivels every time the Texans had the ball while Carr was here.
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No one paid attention to the white text that said "Just a passing thought , dont answer the question".
Corrosion I didn't even know you started it. I just saw Carr debate and had flashbacks and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from 2006 or so when I used to talk about how I couldn't stand him.
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LOL, Kubiak had an interview on the draft and no one seems to care (me included). 1 response on the main board, lulz.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/04/...he-odd-couple/
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