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Old 04-10-2011   #61
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It is do or die time for Kubiak to produce or he will be out looking at another job.
This will be Kubiak's third "Do or die" season. Possibly, an (unofficial) NFL record.
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This is a thread about where NFL head coaches rank, right? The current situation is the Texans head coach ranks among the worst. Seems like a legitimate discussion. Trying to find a current head coach with a similar record is difficult, as most have been fired. Inevitably, it turns around to "Why is this guy still here?".
I dont disagree with the question .... but its already been answered.
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Not until 2012.
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Not until 2012.
Maybe the Mayans were right about the end of the world....because that appears to be what it'll take to get Kubiak out of here at this point.
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32. Gary Kubiak (age 50). Five years, no playoffs, and he is coming back. In each of the last two years, he has made baffling end-of-game decisions that run counter to how his team should be playing, and could have made the playoffs each of the last two with better management. He can run an offense, but the defense has regressed under Kubiak, and they seem to constantly come up small when it matters most.
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The head coach these days is increasingly the one who not only decides which players suit up on Sunday, but which ones suit up on draft day. So yeah, the HC defines the team.
I think that was true a few years ago when you had guys like Parcells and Holmgren doing the coach/GM thing and a lot of coaches wanting to have more personnel decisions but as they were saying on the NFLN a few days ago, the pendulum has swung back so that the last word on personnel has in general shifted back to the GM.

Guys like John Fox and Tom Coughlin have always been good coaches. Maybe not great ones, but good ones. And sometimes they have good years and good teams and sometimes, they don't. Their ability to coach doesn't wax and wane with the alignment of the stars. It's just this player doesn't work out like you expected, this player gets injured, etc., and the whole team goes up or down.

Sometimes you get a team that's put together by someone else and a particular coach is able to be the right guy in the right place to take that team to the championship like a Gruden or a Seifert or a Switzer. Those coaches didn't define those teams.

Out of all the coaches who've won a Super Bowl, none of them have gone on to coach another team and win another Super Bowl. Holmgren did pretty good with the Seahawks but he lucked into a weak division. Jimmy Johnson was able to go to the Dolphins and at least get them to the playoffs (but then his teams got massacred.) Parcells has been great at turning teams around but he's never been able to recreate te magic that he had with the Giants.

And if the head coach was that important, you'd have a few that were able to win multiple SBs. In the NBA, you've got 3 coaches who've won the championship with 2 teams and a lot of coaches who've coached multiple teams deep into the playoffs. Heck, Larry Brown was even able to coach the CLIPPERS to the playoffs and he's been to the playoffs 18 times with 8 different teams and has taken 2 different teams to the finals.
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Not saying that Kubiak's place isn't deserved but c'mon. This dude has Chan Gailey & Mike Munchak & Leslie Frazier ahead of guys like Norv Turner...1 guy hasn't even coached a game yet & the 2 others haven't been anything special...
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Not saying that Kubiak's place isn't deserved but c'mon. This dude has Chan Gailey & Mike Munchak & Leslie Frazier ahead of guys like Norv Turner...1 guy hasn't even coached a game yet & the 2 others haven't been anything special...
Yup. I know Munchak is a local hero and all but by definition he has to be at the bottom of the list. He has never even been a coordinator. He's never called a play on either side of the ball. People talk about Capers or Kubiak plateauing out at coordinator. Munchak never even climbed the hill. Not saying he won't work out but you want to talk about hiring inexperienced coaches and looking cheap as an owner and that is exhibit A.
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Out of all the coaches who've won a Super Bowl, none of them have gone on to coach another team and win another Super Bowl.
While this stat is certainly irrefutable, it does not really pertain to a team that has yet to even make the playoffs. The list is long of head coaches that have taken multiple teams to the playoffs, and this is where we should concern ourselves, not the arguments of elite teams getting to championship games.

The stat I'd like to see is how many head coaches have 80 games in the NFL but have not made the playoffs? There's a list of losers, and unfortunately, Kubiak's name would be found on this one, as well.
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Not saying that Kubiak's place isn't deserved but c'mon. This dude has Chan Gailey & Mike Munchak & Leslie Frazier ahead of guys like Norv Turner...1 guy hasn't even coached a game yet & the 2 others haven't been anything special...
Yeah Norv is a pretty good HC and deserves a bit more respect.

Doesn't it make you feel good that we have a HC who is arguably the worst HC in the league? Even getting presented with the discussion just shows you that Kubiak should have been fired. In fact, he should have been fired after 2008.

Please fire this loser, Bob. You are just wasting everyone's time until you do so.
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While this stat is certainly irrefutable, it does not really pertain to a team that has yet to even make the playoffs. The list is long of head coaches that have taken multiple teams to the playoffs, and this is where we should concern ourselves, not the arguments of elite teams getting to championship games.

The stat I'd like to see is how many head coaches have 80 games in the NFL but have not made the playoffs? There's a list of losers, and unfortunately, Kubiak's name would be found on this one, as well.
Exactly. That's why he should have been fired last year. Even though he has built a really good offense, the fact that he's consistently made such bad decisions defensively should have cost him the job.

This isn't the 60's where you can go 6 years without getting to the playoffs and the owner back and support you. Or... maybe it is. I don't know. Most teams are able to build and make it into the playoffs in 3-4 years. Teams that are really crappy may take a year more (which is why I said give my 5 years to get the Lions up to speed in the other thread).

But that's all water under the bridge now. He's our coach this next season. He may have finally learned his lesson and brought in someone who'll actually field a professional defense. This team might actually do something next year.

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Exactly. That's why he should have been fired last year. Even though he has built a really good offense, the fact that he's consistently made such bad decisions defensively should have cost him the job.

This isn't the 60's where you can go 6 years without getting to the playoffs and the owner back and support you. Or... maybe it is. I don't know. Most teams are able to build and make it into the playoffs in 3-4 years. Teams that are really crappy may take a year more (which is why I said give my 5 years to get the Lions up to speed in the other thread).

But that's all water under the bridge now. He's our coach this next season. He may have finally learned his lesson and brought in someone who'll actually field a professional defense. This team might actually do something next year.

Or not.
See this is the thing imo. People always reference these teams who "turn it around" in 1-2 years but i want to see the percentage of those teams who actually stay turned around. It sure as hell would be nice to have made the playoffs this past year or year before...but i wonder how many peoples opinion of kubiak would have changed even he had taken us a few times.....especially if we got smacked ala Jimmy johnson & dolphins vs. the jags in 2000.... or those late game decisions had reared their ugly head in a playoff game.

My point is I could care less if it's kubiak or whomever that takes us there....just get us there......& lets make some noise when we do get there....no token playoff appearances.
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See this is the thing imo. People always reference these teams who "turn it around" in 1-2 years but i want to see the percentage of those teams who actually stay turned around. It sure as hell would be nice to have made the playoffs this past year or year before...but i wonder how many peoples opinion of kubiak would have changed even he had taken us a few times.....especially if we got smacked ala Jimmy johnson & dolphins vs. the jags in 2000.... or those late game decisions had reared their ugly head in a playoff game.

My point is I could care less if it's kubiak or whomever that takes us there....just get us there......& lets make some noise when we do get there....no token playoff appearances.
Most teams don't stay turned around. Most teams make a playoff appearance or two and then drop out of the playoffs for a few years and then come back up for a year or two and then drop back out.

A year ago or so, I took a look at teams turn arounds and coaching changes and things and iirc, that's what I saw a lot of. Teams like the Colts who are in the playoffs for 10+ years are very rare.
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A quick google on nfl team playoff appearances in the past 10 years.

Indianapolis Colts 9
Philadelphia Eagles 8
New England Patriots 7
Pittsburgh Steelers 6
New York Giants 6
Baltimore Ravens 6
Green Bay Packers 6
Tennessee Titans 5
Carolina Panthers 5
Seattle Seahawks 5
New York Jets 5
San Diego Chargers 5
St. Louis Rams 4
Denver Broncos 4
Dallas Cowboys 4
Minnesota Vikings 4
Oakland Raiders 3
Chicago Bears 3
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3
Miami Dolphins 3
New Orleans Saints 3
Atlanta Falcons 3
Arizona Cardinals 2
Cincinnati Bengals 2
Jacksonville Jaguars 2
Kansas City Chiefs 2
Washington Redskins 2
San Francisco 49ers 2
Cleveland Browns 1
Buffalo Bills 0
Houston Texans 0
Detroit Lions 0
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A quick google on nfl team playoff appearances in the past 10 years.

Indianapolis Colts 9
Philadelphia Eagles 8
New England Patriots 7
Pittsburgh Steelers 6
New York Giants 6
Baltimore Ravens 6
Green Bay Packers 6
Tennessee Titans 5
Carolina Panthers 5
Seattle Seahawks 5
New York Jets 5
San Diego Chargers 5
St. Louis Rams 4
Denver Broncos 4
Dallas Cowboys 4
Minnesota Vikings 4
Oakland Raiders 3
Chicago Bears 3
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3
Miami Dolphins 3
New Orleans Saints 3
Atlanta Falcons 3
Arizona Cardinals 2
Cincinnati Bengals 2
Jacksonville Jaguars 2
Kansas City Chiefs 2
Washington Redskins 2
San Francisco 49ers 2
Cleveland Browns 1
Buffalo Bills 0
Houston Texans 0
Detroit Lions 0
The Texans are one of three teams without one.
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A quick google on nfl team playoff appearances in the past 10 years.

Indianapolis Colts 9
Philadelphia Eagles 8
New England Patriots 7
Pittsburgh Steelers 6
New York Giants 6
Baltimore Ravens 6
Green Bay Packers 6
Tennessee Titans 5
Carolina Panthers 5
Seattle Seahawks 5
New York Jets 5
San Diego Chargers 5
St. Louis Rams 4
Denver Broncos 4
Dallas Cowboys 4
Minnesota Vikings 4
Oakland Raiders 3
Chicago Bears 3
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3
Miami Dolphins 3
New Orleans Saints 3
Atlanta Falcons 3
Arizona Cardinals 2
Cincinnati Bengals 2
Jacksonville Jaguars 2
Kansas City Chiefs 2
Washington Redskins 2
San Francisco 49ers 2
Cleveland Browns 1
Buffalo Bills 0
Houston Texans 0
Detroit Lions 0
Its all kinda cyclical , if you look at the decade prior , many of those at the top were at the bottom and those at the bottom at the top .... Buffalo Superbowl appearances ? The 49ers and Redskins were tough for a long time.

The Dolts were a horrible team for a long time - Until Pey-me-a-ton came along.

The Eagles went thru a rough time before their recent good fortune.

The Pats were an ugly team that made a turnaround.

The Giants were turrible , just turrible for quite some time.

The Jets were piss poor for about a 5 year stretch.


There's only one franchise in the NFL I can think of that hasnt had a continued stretch of piss poor seasons and thats Pittsburgh. They may have a bad year but they reload and get right back in it. I dont believe they have ever had three consecutive losing seasons.


Eventually this franchise will have its time in the sun .... who knows when or if anyone will give a shit by that time ..... but at least we havent suffered like the 'Aints fans did for two solid decades.


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See this is the thing imo. People always reference these teams who "turn it around" in 1-2 years but i want to see the percentage of those teams who actually stay turned around. It sure as hell would be nice to have made the playoffs this past year or year before...but i wonder how many peoples opinion of kubiak would have changed even he had taken us a few times.....especially if we got smacked ala Jimmy johnson & dolphins vs. the jags in 2000.... or those late game decisions had reared their ugly head in a playoff game.

My point is I could care less if it's kubiak or whomever that takes us there....just get us there......& lets make some noise when we do get there....no token playoff appearances.
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...but i wonder how many peoples opinion of kubiak would have changed even he had taken us a few times.....
Many people's opinion of Kubiak would be different if he had taken the Texans to the playoffs even a couple of times. It's not that people don't "like" Kubiak for being Kubiak ----- they don't like his performance as head coach of the Texans. If he had the success of a few playoff appearances, he would be a good head coach and be perceived as such. But he's hasn't and isn't.

In some opinions, including mine, he has not been a successful head coach. That's why he should have been replaced.

A pinnacle of 9-7 doesn't really trigger an orgiastic release of football emotion.
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The Texans won't be different untill they have hired a proven HC with a track record otherwise I expect nothing but the same old garbage.
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