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Old 04-08-2011   #41
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So basically other than noobie coaches, Kubiak is only better than Mangini, and maybe Gailey.
Mangini was fired and replaced by Pat Shurmur, former Rams OC.

I agree with your point regarding the head-to-head matchup with Caldwell. If Kubiak were a CB, he would have fell down. And Kubiak sports a resume that compares with coaches who have been fired. The major excuse for keeping him was the trauma of change. Even though the defense would need to be revamped for the 3-4. And a WCO coordinator wouldn't be difficult to find. Is the real reason because McNair didn't want to breakout the checkbook for a proven winner? It has to be considered as a possibility.
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Is the real reason because McNair didn't want to breakout the checkbook for a proven winner? It has to be considered as a possibility.
Definitely.

I don't know McNair, but it has to be one of two things...what you said, or he really believes in the guy....

Either way, it doesn't make him look competent as an owner. Hopefully Gary fixes that.
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Mangini was fired and replaced by Pat Shurmur, former Rams OC.

I agree with your point regarding the head-to-head matchup with Caldwell. If Kubiak were a CB, he would have fell down. And Kubiak sports a resume that compares with coaches who have been fired. The major excuse for keeping him was the trauma of change. Even though the defense would need to be revamped for the 3-4. And a WCO coordinator wouldn't be difficult to find. Is the real reason because McNair didn't want to breakout the checkbook for a proven winner? It has to be considered as a possibility.
The real reason McNair didnt fire Kubiak was the uncertainty surrounding the season because of the CBA.

Why pay him to leave and pay someone else to come in and do nothing in the event that there is no season.

The trauma of change comes into play in the event of a shortened season which is a very real possibility - again , why pay him to leave for what amounts to a wasted season. May as well get your moneys worth.

If by some miracle there is a full season , McNair has one last opportunity to see what Gary's made of. If he is worth retaining after his current contract expires with no financial risk.

This was a purely financial decision and a good one in that context. When you take it in the context of football , it looks to be a poor decision.
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The real reason McNair didnt fire Kubiak was the uncertainty surrounding the season because of the CBA.

Why pay him to leave and pay someone else to come in and do nothing in the event that there is no season.

The trauma of change comes into play in the event of a shortened season which is a very real possibility - again , why pay him to leave for what amounts to a wasted season. May as well get your moneys worth.

If by some miracle there is a full season , McNair has one last opportunity to see what Gary's made of. If he is worth retaining after his current contract expires with no financial risk.

This was a purely financial decision and a good one in that context. When you take it in the context of football , it looks to be a poor decision.
There were several GOOD owners that in fact did make a move at HC this past off-season and IMO will improve their team even with the current CBA situation. Our owner keeps finding reasons to keep Gary around for "one more year" which always leads to "wait till next year". (sigh)
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There were several GOOD owners that in fact did make a move at HC this past off-season and IMO will improve their team even with the current CBA situation. Our owner keeps finding reasons to keep Gary around for "one more year" which always leads to "wait till next year". (sigh)
We can ***** and complain all we want , but they aint our millions to throw away. Keeping Gary was the logical financial decision.
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We can ***** and complain all we want , but they aint our millions to throw away. Keeping Gary was the logical financial decision.
Throw away? Either way he goes, he's going to make a crap load of money or a boat load of money...this team's a gold mine for him.
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We can ***** and complain all we want , but they aint our millions to throw away. Keeping Gary was the logical financial decision.
Yes it was, and this is the main reason Gary shouldn't have had his contract extended in the 1st place.

Oh well, water under the bridge.
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Bob McNair has hired an excellent defensive coordinator (Capers) & offensive coordinator (Kubiak) but has yet to hire an excellent head coach.
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Bob McNair has hired an excellent defensive coordinator (Capers) & offensive coordinator (Kubiak) but has yet to hire an excellent head coach.
I couldn't agree more with this. If Bum, er..uh...his boy, shapes up the defense and Kubiak stays out of his way, the team could improve quite a bit making him look better.
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Oh well, water under the bridge.
One would wish and yet it is brought up ad infinitum.
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One would wish and yet it is brought up ad infinitum.
That's because it's the most critical element of a NFL team. We can talk about who is playing CB or who will be the #2 WR until we are blue in the face. That will never be as relevant as who is the head coach. The head coach (usually) defines a NFL team.
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That's because it's the most critical element of a NFL team. We can talk about who is playing CB or who will be the #2 WR until we are blue in the face. That will never be as relevant as who is the head coach. The head coach (usually) defines a NFL team.
I think a head coach is very important for an NFL team. but I don't think that the head coach defines the team like one does for basketball.

If that were the case, I think we'd see a lot more SB winning head coaches being successful at other teams. Parcells and Dungy are really the only two SB winning head coaches that I think could go to just about any team and be successful.

There are a lot more variables with an NFL team than there is for something like basketball and that decreases the importance of the head coach. It's more important, I think, to have the right coaching staff put together and the right mix of players on the field than it is to have a good head coach.

But, that's just me and I realize that's not a popular opinion.
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That's because it's the most critical element of a NFL team. We can talk about who is playing CB or who will be the #2 WR until we are blue in the face. That will never be as relevant as who is the head coach. The head coach (usually) defines a NFL team.
And I wasn't understating the importance of the HC but fact is the decision has been made and Kubiak will be the HC this coming season. I'd rather discuss the current situation rather than one which is not going to exist.
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And I wasn't understating the importance of the HC but fact is the decision has been made and Kubiak will be the HC this coming season. I'd rather discuss the current situation rather than one which is not going to exist.
Yep , we may as well move on , no sense bitching about something thats not going to change , unless they drop the first four games or so.

We've got better things to talk about at least for the next month or so .... after that we get nuttin till the bilionaires and millionaires work out the bullshit.
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No we like bitching around here it is just what we do. LOL.
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No we like bitching around here it is just what we do. LOL.
Yeah you are right Gary ..... continue if you must.
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Yep , we may as well move on , no sense bitching about something thats not going to change
This is a thread about where NFL head coaches rank, right? The current situation is the Texans head coach ranks among the worst. Seems like a legitimate discussion. Trying to find a current head coach with a similar record is difficult, as most have been fired. Inevitably, it turns around to "Why is this guy still here?".
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This is a thread about where NFL head coaches rank, right? The current situation is the Texans head coach ranks among the worst. Seems like a legitimate discussion. Trying to find a current head coach with a similar record is difficult, as most have been fired. Inevitably, it turns around to "Why is this guy still here?".
Context is everything. The person I quoted has been on a rampage in all sorts of threads about keeping Kubiak. Here he said it was water under the bridge as if he was finally able to let it go. My post was essentially a pat on the back that yeah, everybody knew what he wanted to happen and it was time to move on. I never said or implied for folks not to talk about Kubiak but complaining about the decision to keep him is tired at this point.
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I think a head coach is very important for an NFL team. but I don't think that the head coach defines the team like one does for basketball.
The head coach these days is increasingly the one who not only decides which players suit up on Sunday, but which ones suit up on draft day. So yeah, the HC defines the team.
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It is do or die time for Kubiak to produce or he will be out looking at another job.
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