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Old 04-06-2011   #21
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This really isn't news to anyone, we've all known that Kubiak was a good offensive coordinater but a very poor head coach, except Bob McNair.
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Are we surprised? What progress has Kubiak shown, other than stats?
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I'd like to see how well Caldwell does without Payton Manning.
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I'd like to see how well Caldwell does without Payton Manning.
Manning would make even the worst coach look good .... Its obvious that he was dealt a winning hand but he didnt change or deviate from that and try to put his own stamp on the team which many ego's would have done.
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I'd like to see the W/L records of all current head coaches (except for new HCs that don't have them, of course), as well as how many have been a head coach for five seasons without going to the playoffs.

At the end of the day, this is how we judge NFL head coaches, not with offensive/defensive rankings or stats, but wins, losses, and postseason appearances. Based on this approach, I'd bet that Kubiak falls somewhere in the 20's.
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I'd like to see the W/L records of all current head coaches (except for new HCs that don't have them, of course), as well as how many have been a head coach for five seasons without going to the playoffs.

At the end of the day, this is how we judge NFL head coaches, not with offensive/defensive rankings or stats, but wins, losses, and postseason appearances. Based on this approach, I'd bet that Kubiak falls somewhere in the 20's.
I believe that Kubiak is the only coach in the modern era to coach for 5 seasons consecutively with the same team without making the playoffs. To the best of my knowledge, the closest a coach has done that's similar recently would be Jeff Fisher who took over for Pardee and then after that had 4 seasons without a playoff and then made it in his 5th full season.

The only other coach that comes to mind was Landry who made it to the playoffs in his 7th season.
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I believe that Kubiak is the only coach in the modern era to coach for 5 seasons consecutively with the same team without making the playoffs. To the best of my knowledge, the closest a coach has done that's similar recently would be Jeff Fisher who took over for Pardee and then after that had 4 seasons without a playoff and then made it in his 5th full season.

The only other coach that comes to mind was Landry who made it to the playoffs in his 7th season.
In the modern era I believe the only other one was Bart Starr.
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McDaniels was fired after starting 3-9 last year. The new Broncos head coach is John Fox.

Cable was fired.

Really? Not better than Chan Gailey? Or the Dolphins coach?

I'd rate him better than both those guys.

Fox is in Denver. Rivera is the new Panthers coach.

Childress was fired.

Mora? He was fired before last season. Pete Carroll is the Seahawks coach now and coached them all last year.

A couple of years ago, most of the people on this board would easily have taken Singletary over Kubiak. Not sayin, just sayin.

I take Kubiak over Shanahan.
I thought it was pretty clear that I was ranking Kubiak against the coaches from last year, as it's pretty impossible to rank him against new coaches. Gailey and Carroll I forgot about. The others were intentional comparisons. I'd say Cable did a better job than Kubiak has done, for instance. His firing is incidental to the argument. And I don't think Kubiak is better than the Dolphins coach, either. JMO.
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For the sake of the sanity of us fans ..... Lets hope Gary gets his shit together this coming season (If there is one) , the team can avoid serious injuries .... and they not only make the playoffs but make a deep run.

Its past time for the team , the city and the fans to catch a break or two .... Its really sucked to be a Houston sports fan the last few years with all three major franchises sucking like a $5 whore.
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Kubiak's a Head Coach .... not an offensive coordinator. His job is to oversee both sides of the ball , not just one or the other.


Ive given Kubiak a lot of slack .... much more than most , and I have my reasons ... but his job isnt just offensive coordinator , thats Dennisons job description.

Kubiak has to manage the team and the game on both sides of the ball with the help of his assistants .... not the other way around.
i agree BUT since he will be our coach next year i'm curious to see how we do now that he dont have to deal with the defense like he has all his previous seasons. We all know he is not a defensive minded coach.
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For the sake of the sanity of us fans ..... Lets hope Gary gets his shit together this coming season (If there is one) , the team can avoid serious injuries .... and they not only make the playoffs but make a deep run.

Its past time for the team , the city and the fans to catch a break or two .... Its really sucked to be a Houston sports fan the last few years with all three major franchises sucking like a $5 whore.
5$ whores dont suck as good as they have though. dont give them whores to much credit why else would they be 5$
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i agree BUT since he will be our coach next year i'm curious to see how we do now that he dont have to deal with the defense like he has all his previous seasons. We all ASSUME he is not a defensive minded coach.
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5$ whores dont suck as good as they have though. dont give them whores to much credit why else would they be 5$
I guess $5 dont buy what it use to .....
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Dude, the gas pump barely blows for $5
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I think Kubiak is a great coach, he finally has someone who can run the Defense and he can focus purely on the offense now.
This is one person who has this opinion.

I'm sure there are more, but it is rarely expressed.

The soapers would have you believe this is the prevalent opinion, though the majority of opinions on this board reflect the view of the soapers.
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This is one person who has this opinion.

I'm sure there are more, but it is rarely expressed.

The soapers would have you believe this is the prevalent opinion, though the majority of opinions on this board reflect the view of the soapers.
And what, exactly, has Kubiak done in his HEAD coaching career to make anyone think otherwise? How many top-tier DEfenses has he fielded as opposed to high-powered OFfenses?

I'll venture to say that there are MANY folks who wondered if Kubiak would be a good overall coach...Years later, we're all still wondering.
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This is one person who has this opinion.

I'm sure there are more, but it is rarely expressed.

The soapers would have you believe this is the prevalent opinion, though the majority of opinions on this board reflect the view of the soapers.
I talk to Texans fans from all walks of life. Clients who are multi-millionaires working international deals to regular truck drivers making deliveries to our warehouse. Friends, family, and random strangers that see the logo on my hat. Almost all of them wonder why Kubiak still has a job. I think this off-season the prevalent mood among Texans Nation is more likely to be on the side of so-called "soapers".

The Sunshine Club has worn out it's welcome with continuous unfulfilled promises year after year. All but the most optimistic homers see 37-43 and no playoffs in five seasons for what it is at the end of the day.

All of these folks are still Texans fans, though. Just not happy shiny fans.
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I talk to Texans fans from all walks of life. Clients who are multi-millionaires working international deals to regular truck drivers making deliveries to our warehouse. Friends, family, and random strangers that see the logo on my hat. Almost all of them wonder why Kubiak still has a job. I think this off-season the prevalent mood among Texans Nation is more likely to be on the side of so-called "soapers".

The Sunshine Club has worn out it's welcome with continuous unfulfilled promises year after year. All but the most optimistic homers see 37-43 and no playoffs in five seasons for what it is at the end of the day.

All of these folks are still Texans fans, though. Just not happy shiny fans.
I agree. I argue no different.

Just saying.
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LMFAO @ Caldwell #13...bwahahahahaha

I swear that dude's dumber than Kubiak.
wrong. kubiak called a timeout so caldwell could take a second look at a Texans touchdown. that is a head to head matchup. caldwell was dumb not to throw the flag initially but Kubiak stupidity and ignorance trumped caldwell's on a head to head matchup when Kubiak called a timeout so he could take a few seconds off the clock. well in the end, Texans touchdown overturned and the Colts got the ball as the ball was fumbled into the endzone.

All Kubiak had to do was have Schaub do a QB spike and we probably win that game, go 10-6, and probably find a way into the 09 playoffs.

So in that matchup, Kubiak is clearly dumber than Caldwell.

Kubiak would be my worst coach in the league with 3 years or more service, and probably my 3rd worst overall better than only Mangini, McDaniels (fired), and Cable (fired). So basically other than noobie coaches, Kubiak is only better than Mangini, and maybe Gailey.
Go through the list. It's actually pretty sad how many coaches are better, more proven, and more successful than Kubiak. Not hard, I know, but still.

Every NFC West coach is better. Whisenhunt, Caroll, Spagnulo. Harbaugh is new.
Every NFC East coach is better. Shanahan, Reid, Coughlin. Garrett is new.
Every NFC South coach is better. Payton, Morris, Smith. Rivera is new.
Every NFC North coach is better. Smith, Schwartz, McCarthy. Frazier is new.
Every AFC South coach is better. Del Rio, Caldwell, and Munchak is new and Kubiak may be better than him. He is in over his head imho.
Every AFC East coach is better. Belichick and Ryan are no brainers. Sparano is close, but he is better and Gailey is arguably better but I will give nod to Gary.
Every AFC North coach is better besides Mangini and he is basically dead man walking. Harbaugh, Undercover Brother, and Marvin Lewis are better.
Every returning AFC West coach is better as well.

its pretty sad. We could have the best coach available, Cowher, but its more important to placate losers and make excuses as opposed to doing everything possible to win and to put the best product on the field. As long as the yayhoos and yokels in this city keep making excuses and supporting a piss poor product, we will continue to be the Chicago Cubs of the NFL. and that is NOT a compliment. loyal fans and a pathetic team. hoooooray Houston.
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