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Old 04-03-2011   #1
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Default Taking a 3-4 DE @ 11?

I was just wondering what everyone thinks the chances of us deviating from the original plan (playing mario at DE & drafting a de/olb) & taking someone like Cameron Jordan or JJ Watt @ 11 and moving mario to OLB if the nightmare scenario of prince, quinn etc being gone at 11...

do you reach for projects/raw athletes olb's like aldon smith or do you just move mario. he did some dropping into coverage in zone blitzes the last few yrs and, while not being fluid & natural, did the job and because of his size, got his hands to a few balls. plus he'd be rushing most of the time anyway from that spot...

it just seems like if the drafts falls a certain, pretty realistic way (i.e. teams not buying into the mediocre overhyped qbs as top 10 picks), we'll be stuck reaching for an olb like justin houston/kerrigan/clayborn who's just a stiff as mario in coverage (if not moreso in some cases) when the value would be to take a 5 tech like those two guys
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Default Re: Taking a 3-4 DE @ 11?

I don't think Mario moves to OLB, period. In terms of the first round, the Texans really seem to go need versus BPA (this flips in round 3/4, imo). I think it more likely that they "reach" for a guy and force him into the line-up than start moving around veterans to fit a rookie. It is not like they don't need a 3-4 end for depth, but drafting one would lead to at least in the first year a limited role for a team that need immediate impact. BTW, this is more of what I think will happen than what I would or think that the should do.

I hope by some miracle that there is some version of CBA, so that maybe one or two of the desparate needs (OLB, FS, CB) are not so draft dependant.
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Forget the 3-4 switch for a moment. The Texans need a pass rusher. Or pass rushers. Mario can't do it alone (and when he's hurt he can't do it, either). Smithiak has tried Okoye (didn't work) and then Barwin (jury's still out). I really thought the FA money to get Antonio Smith should have been spent on a pass rushing RDE, with Mario moving to the left side. But Smithiak disagreed.

So here the Texans sit heading into their 10th season, with one of the weakest pass rushes in the league. Still. Wade Phillips is supposed to fix the problem (along with other problems). How is Son of Bum supposed to do this without giving him the tools? Considering Barwin's injury, and the too quick decision to move Cushing inside, it would be a smart move for the Texans to take two pass rushers in the 1st 3 picks. That's if Boss McNair reaches into his deep pockets and signs a CB or 2.

Drafting a(nother) 5 technique is a luxury pick. For a team that can't afford luxury. And I'm not convinced at all that Jordan or Watts will be better pros than Aldon Smith or Justin Houston. I know their talent isn't close to Robert Quinn's. I don't think either of these guys go off the board before #17 or #18, and it would be in the Texans favor if someone in the top 10 went for them.
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Forget the 3-4 switch for a moment. The Texans need a pass rusher. Or pass rushers. Mario can't do it alone (and when he's hurt he can't do it, either). Smithiak has tried Okoye (didn't work) and then Barwin (jury's still out). I really thought the FA money to get Antonio Smith should have been spent on a pass rushing RDE, with Mario moving to the left side. But Smithiak disagreed.

So here the Texans sit heading into their 10th season, with one of the weakest pass rushes in the league. Still. Wade Phillips is supposed to fix the problem (along with other problems). How is Son of Bum supposed to do this without giving him the tools? Considering Barwin's injury, and the too quick decision to move Cushing inside, it would be a smart move for the Texans to take two pass rushers in the 1st 3 picks. That's if Boss McNair reaches into his deep pockets and signs a CB or 2.

Drafting a(nother) 5 technique is a luxury pick. For a team that can't afford luxury. And I'm not convinced at all that Jordan or Watts will be better pros than Aldon Smith or Justin Houston. I know their talent isn't close to Robert Quinn's. I don't think either of these guys go off the board before #17 or #18, and it would be in the Texans favor if someone in the top 10 went for them.
I'm with you on drafting 2 pass rushing OLB's. Houston has better measurables than Quin. He ran a 4.57 (Faster than Quinn) at 267 lbs. Houston also plaed in a 3-4 last yr (no transition period) and had 10 sacks.

Houston is a better fit for the Texans. Because he can make an impact right away. There will be good 5 techs in the 5th rd range. (Carter/Bair/Klug)
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Default Re: Taking a 3-4 DE @ 11?

While I would like Prince Amukamara or Robert Quinn in the 1st round filling a hole, the selection of a 3-4 DE like Watt or Jordan would be insurance against losing Mario next year. Mario will be a FA at the end of next season and he'll command big money that I'm not sure he deserves. IMO, Mario disappears in far to many games, only dominates against the lower level LT's, has a very limited repertoire of pass rushing moves, and is injured far to often to be worth re-signing to a huge money FA contract. Mario just doesn't dominate a game the way many expect a #1 overall pick to do. The selection of Watt or Jordan would give us insurance against the loss of Mario or against the fact that he might just really suck in a 3-4 system. Actually I would advocate trading Mario now, if there were a CBA, before the draft for a boatload of draft picks or young talented FA's to kick start the rebuilding of the defense. I agree with SBT that finding a decent 3-4 DE can be done later in the draft.
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Default Re: Taking a 3-4 DE @ 11?

I agree with Lucky and SteelB on this.

I don't see any way or reason to take a 3-4 DE early in this draft. There will be some guys we can take later in the draft who could be added to the rotation and eventually develop into good DEs.

I'm also not a big fan of taking a corner in the first round unless, through some miracle, Peterson falls to us.

We can't trust that any of the players we've got can really play rush LB. We have a few that might, but there's no way to be sure.

We need to draft at least one and probably two. And we need to draft a safety. And possibly an ILB, too. Just in case. If it turns out that we've got too many good linebackers, great. We can deal with that.

But we have to fix that pass rush.
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Drafting a(nother) 5 technique is a luxury pick. For a team that can't afford luxury. And I'm not convinced at all that Jordan or Watts will be better pros than Aldon Smith or Justin Houston. I know their talent isn't close to Robert Quinn's. I don't think either of these guys go off the board before #17 or #18, and it would be in the Texans favor if someone in the top 10 went for them.
Here you go again, 5 tech DE is not a luxury pick. People are premature to project the Texans are set with Mario & Smith who have never played in a 3-4 straight up. For Mario is going to be more physical taking on big nasty guards/tackle combinations instead of TE/OT. Antoino is a little undersized & may be at risk injury wise. So depth is also a consideration over the course of a long season, especially one with playoff aspirations. It is very much a need to have a top end rotation up front to stay fresh, keep healthy & apply relentless pressure regardless of injury status. Antonio Smith is entering his 8th season while Mario, believe it or not is going on his 6th year in the NFL neither is getting any younger. Where is the future, the new 3-4 foundation piece? I'll tell you its in a player like Watt or Jordan (presently have discussions behind closed doors on this very subject in our war room). Not only will it help OLB position by creating lanes/locking up two defenders, along with viable NT, create some inside pass pressure too.

You fail in the draft when you pass on best talent available, year after year this approach will leave your team talent defcient, as they become just average players. And how many more good years does Andre have? this will be his 9th season, so why not take a complimentry playmaking WR of the future like Julio Jones? your going to tell me because Texans need OLB they should take one (Houston or Kerrigan) regardless over Jones, Watt or Jordan? I just hope Rick Smith gets better advise from Wade & the Texans draft board reflects not just needs now but in the future as well.
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While I would like Prince Amukamara or Robert Quinn in the 1st round filling a hole, the selection of a 3-4 DE like Watt or Jordan would be insurance against losing Mario next year. <snip> I agree with SBT that finding a decent 3-4 DE can be done later in the draft.
I don't think that our 1st round pick should be "insurance". We're not good enough on the defensive side to draft insurance. We have to draft immediate starters that upgrade positions.
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Mario will be a FA at the end of next season
That's true. And even if the Texans decide that Mario is no longer a fit for their defense, they aren't going to let him walk without compensation. He will be franchised and the Texans would hopefully get a fair price. And the $$$ not spent on Williams could be used on a replacement. But, why assume that will be the case? That's not what Wade Phillips said when he took the job as DC. There's no reason to throw a high draft choice at a problem that may not exist. Especially when there are so many known problems.
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Here you go again, 5 tech DE is not a luxury pick. People are premature to project the Texans are set with Mario & Smith who have never played in a 3-4 straight up.
Watt and Jordan have never played in a NFL 3-4. Or even in the NFL. So you're trying to fix a problem that may not exist with players whose abilities are unknown?

I realize the Texans may have to do that at 3-4 OLB, because the FA market is thin. It is what it is. The Texans are hemorraging at the position. AJ is the best WR in the league and just signed a long term extension. Mario is the most talented player on the Texan defense. But these are the guys you're concerned with replacing?

Finally, I don't see Watt, Jordan, or even Julio Jones as elite prospects that are head and shoulders above the OLBs we are discussing. I don't see a truly elite prospect in this draft. There's no Calvin Johnson, no Ndamukong Suh, no Adrian Peterson. Patrick Peterson may be close, but he's a better athlete than player at this point. The guy the Texans take at #11 could become the best player in this draft. To suggest that the Texans would be reaching for someone not named Watt, Jordan, or Jones is laughable.
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I don't think that our 1st round pick should be "insurance". We're not good enough on the defensive side to draft insurance. We have to draft immediate starters that upgrade positions.
you mean immediate starter like Kareem Jackson? don't you think it would have been wise to develop his progress in a more measured, calculated fashion as oppossed to throwing him out there right away because he was Texan first pick? Pretty clear to me franchising Dunta Robinson one more year to mentor Kareem the ways of the NFL would actually improve his skill set not to mention his confidence going forward.

there is also no doubt that Watt or Jordan would benifit from similar treatment with Antono/Williams. actually however, Cam has three years experience already playing in a 3-4 so he may be the one doing the teaching (teasing of course).
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Finally, I don't see Watt, Jordan, or even Julio Jones as elite prospects that are head and shoulders above the OLBs we are discussing. I don't see a truly elite prospect in this draft. There's no Calvin Johnson, no Ndamukong Suh, no Adrian Peterson. Patrick Peterson may be close, but he's a better athlete than player at this point. The guy the Texans take at #11 could become the best player in this draft. To suggest that the Texans would be reaching for someone not named Watt, Jordan, or Jones is laughable.
This does not surprise me at all, our draft boards are worlds apart then & your cliche laughable response is getting old & tired.
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This does not surprise me at all, our draft boards are worlds apart then & your cliche laughable response is getting old & tired.
On whose draft board (other than yours) is Watt, Jordan, & Jones ranked that much higher than Aldon Smith or Kerrigan? Who else besides yourself sees that as a reach?
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draft boards are fluid & constantly changing. Generally speaking Julio Jones is considered a Top 10 talent. John Harris ranks him #9 Corey Chavous of Draft Nasty ranks Julio #5 & Cameron Jordan #8. Harris really likes Aldon more than anyone I've seen which is fine #11 overall but most have him later like Chavous #17. Harris has Houston #20 while Chavous ranks him #65 but then he doesn't like Watt much either #84.

It's a question of who you believe, who you follow then do you know your **** enough to make your own grade, which I do, yes, thank you very much. Mid-way through the season for example I had targeted Kerrigan around 20 because this is about where I expected the Texans selection to be & I love his hustle & high motor. But in the end does he move up, 8-9 spots because he is the player I originally wanted? Well if he grades out that high then yes but he doesn't. To confuse matters more other prospects come into the picture like a Brooks Reed, so separate those two then grade them out. Brooks has played @ 3-4 OLB looks like the second coming of Clay Matthews so is he now higher rated, at least for a team like the Texans looking to address OLB? Probably yes, cause you know he can do it already, as opposed to playing a 4-3 DE. All the measueables check out he even runs better numbers than Kerrigan & kills the drills. Fair or unfair these things affect a players grade, new items come to light, rumor mill spins & draft boards remain fluid.

Back to Maddict5 the answer is yes, IMO with the probability very high its defensive front 7 prospect.
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I repeat that if Julio Jones is available and the above mentioned players are off the board, we go ahead and grab Julio Jones. He's too good of an offensive talent and on offense we can afford a luxury pick like him. Andre gets hurt every year now. I want to be able to not have to gamble on him when that ankle goes bad again. I also feel we are going to have to outscore opponents while our d adjust to the new scheme. We can get Julio Jones.
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I'd been very pleased with JJ Watt or Cameron Jordan. I think people are missing the big picture and Wade's ability to get the best players involved and in the best position to succeed.

I think most "experts" draft boards out there have Watt, Jordan and Julio all rated higher than Aldon Smith or Akeem Ayers or Ryan Kerrigan. With that said, I don't really care what they think... it's up to the Texans draft board and our specific needs, wants and projections.

I'm more convinced Mario will do well with Wade than others. I'm also not as "excited" about Antonio Smith being the other DE that everyone is writing him in as. What makes you think he's going to be the guy we need there? Why? I think he'll be a solid player but not any better than he is as a 4-3DE.

In pass rushing situations, it sounds like we'll be using a 4-3 defense, with Antonio moving inside to DT. I suspect Earl Mitchell will get plenty of playing time at the other DT spot. I would have JJ Watt as a DE and Mario as a DE and then move Connor Barwin or Rookie OLB up to the line as a Joker kind of role - something Clay Matthews does so well. You even have Cushing at LB who I think Wade will sneak in there with Barwin dropping back in coverage.

I don't like Mario moving to OLB at all. I think from a pure x's and o's standpoint that he'll technically be called an OLB during certain play calls but I don't think his role would be that of a typical OLB.

Again, I'd love JJ Watt at #11.
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I'd been very pleased with JJ Watt or Cameron Jordan. I think people are missing the big picture and Wade's ability to get the best players involved and in the best position to succeed.

I think most "experts" draft boards out there have Watt, Jordan and Julio all rated higher than Aldon Smith or Akeem Ayers or Ryan Kerrigan. With that said, I don't really care what they think... it's up to the Texans draft board and our specific needs, wants and projections.

I'm more convinced Mario will do well with Wade than others. I'm also not as "excited" about Antonio Smith being the other DE that everyone is writing him in as. What makes you think he's going to be the guy we need there? Why? I think he'll be a solid player but not any better than he is as a 4-3DE.

In pass rushing situations, it sounds like we'll be using a 4-3 defense, with Antonio moving inside to DT. I suspect Earl Mitchell will get plenty of playing time at the other DT spot. I would have JJ Watt as a DE and Mario as a DE and then move Connor Barwin or Rookie OLB up to the line as a Joker kind of role - something Clay Matthews does so well. You even have Cushing at LB who I think Wade will sneak in there with Barwin dropping back in coverage.

I don't like Mario moving to OLB at all. I think from a pure x's and o's standpoint that he'll technically be called an OLB during certain play calls but I don't think his role would be that of a typical OLB.

Again, I'd love JJ Watt at #11.
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I see 0% chance Mario moves to OLB and virtually no chance the Texans go DE in the 1st round.
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Agree with icak. Mario is our DE.

I could see them drafting Quinn, if he is around, but he is OLB. That is the guy we need IMHO. I just don't think he will fall that far.
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Its looking more and more like a trade back is our best scenario. I don't know if there will be any interest in acquiring the 11 pick though.
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you mean immediate starter like Kareem Jackson? don't you think it would have been wise to develop his progress in a more measured, calculated fashion as oppossed to throwing him out there right away because he was Texan first pick? Pretty clear to me franchising Dunta Robinson one more year to mentor Kareem the ways of the NFL would actually improve his skill set not to mention his confidence going forward.

there is also no doubt that Watt or Jordan would benifit from similar treatment with Antono/Williams. actually however, Cam has three years experience already playing in a 3-4 so he may be the one doing the teaching (teasing of course).
The fact that Kareem Jackson didn't perform as well as they thought he would is a totally different issue. They picked him thinking he was the most NFL ready CB at that point in the draft. They picked him expecting him to be able to step in and play.

You don't put someone on the field because they were the first pick. When you're in our position, you pick someone in the first expecting them to make an immediate contribution to the team. You pick someone in the first who's going to start because they're better at that spot than anyone else on the team OR they will be after a few starts to gain some experience.

In our position, you don't pick a player that's going to take a few years to develop and if you do, then that pick was a failure.
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