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Old 04-14-2005   #1
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Ya know alot of you say that players like R. Drougns, S. Alexander or heck even Cedric Benson are better than D.D because better YPC, more rushing yards, TDs etc well for those of you who compare i have to say that is like comparing

A ford f-150 4*4 with mudding tires, to a Ford f-150 4*4 with standard street tires,,,which one do you think will go through more mudd ? See the truck can have all the tools but wont go very far without the right tires.

(TRUCK RUNNING BACK-------TIRES O-LINE)

yall understand any of that ? lol
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O its like

comparing a monkey who has lots of fleas and has to scrath him self a lot to a monkey with no fleas so if this monkey scrathes then he won't get very far because he has no fleas (monkey-RB) (Fleas-OL)
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Old 04-14-2005   #3
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O its like

comparing a monkey who has lots of fleas and has to scrath him self a lot to a monkey with no fleas so if this monkey scrathes then he won't get very far because he has no fleas (monkey-RB) (Fleas-OL)

haha yeah not bad, i use alot of metaphors. bad habit i think
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The main complaint against DD isnt his tires.. its the fact that you have to take him to the shop every two weeks.
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The main complaint against DD isnt his tires.. its the fact that you have to take him to the shop every two weeks.

How many RB's play 16 games and take the majority of the carries in the NFL in this day and age . Most teams have at least two solid backs now and their top back's dont get 30 touches a game combined rushing / passing . That said , the Texans are fine w/ DD , they just need another quality back to take some of his touches .


I kinda liken RB's today to starting pitchers of years gone by , outside the abberation of the Marlins staff this year the complete game is somewhat of a rarity in todays MLB , Saves ..... a pitcher would pitch 3 innings now they just come in to close out the 9th. RB's in general are the same way , most of the starters come out on 3rd down for a specialist . Not many players like Earl Campbell , Franco Harris and Walter Peyton around in todays game . Those guy's got 30+ touches a game and did it week in week out for the duration of the season .
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our RBs dont get 30 touches a game either... but

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Carolina (with stevens or whatever)


It is true that RBs get hurt.. its not easy to put in 16 games a year when you get 20+ carries a game. But Davis has not put up a full season yet.

I understand what you are saying.. that we have no one to take some of the load off of DD.. but he has still shown that he is a bit fragile. Heck.. its not like he only gets injured at the end of the season. So you cant really blame it on the wear and tear of being the only RB.
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DD played in 15 games this past season , yes he was injuried but he still avg'd 20.1 rushing attempts and 4.5 reception's per game . Thats 24.6 touches per game .

Here's his stats for the season , both rushing and recieving .

games 15 , rushing attempts 302 attempts per game 20.1

rushing yards 1188 avg per att. 3.9 long 44 ypg 79.2 TD 13

receptions 68 , rec. yards 588 ypg 39.2 long 39 avg 8.6 TD 1

rec. game 4.5

Only nine RB's who played in 15 or more games avg'd 20+ carries
only TWO RB's avg'd 4+ receptions per game .

That is pretty elite company .

In week two against the Lions DD had 25 carries for 78 yards and 11 receptions for 95 yards . Incidentally this is also the game in which he had TWO fumbles . Thats a total of 36 touches which is entirely too many . The following week he was injuried after only 5 carries .
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In week two against the Lions DD had 25 carries for 78 yards and 11 receptions for 95 yards . Incidentally this is also the game in which he had TWO fumbles . Thats a total of 36 touches which is entirely too many . The following week he was injuried after only 5 carries .
I may have a faulty memory after a few months, but weren't both fumbles early in the game?

When he was fresh?
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I may have a faulty memory after a few months, but weren't both fumbles early in the game?

When he was fresh?
One came toward the end of the 1st quarter and one came toward the beginning of the 3rd quarter. JMO but too many touches had nothing to do with DD's fumbles in the 1st two games. The team as a whole was keyed up and pressing too hard. Carr fumbled several times and threw several interceptions trying to make things happen and DD fumbled trying to go for yards after contact.
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I would like him to play up to his ability all year instead of just at the end of the season. But DD is one of the more dangerous backs in the league, because he can do it all. Unfortunately he does not have homerun speed, and that is the major problem with him, because he gets into the endzone if the call the right play.
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Rank----Player-------Team---Yds---Att---Avg---TDs---Long
1-----Curtis Martin----NYJ----1697--371---4.6---12-----25
2-----Shaun Alexander-SEA---1696---353--4.8 --16-----44
3-----Corey Dillon-------NE---1635---345--4.7---12-----44
4------Edgerrin James---IND---1548--334--4.6----9------40
5------Tiki Barber--------NYG--1518--322--4.7---13-----72
6------Rudi Johnson------CIN--1454---361--4.0---12----52
7------LaDainian Tomlinson-SD-1335---339--3.9---17-----42
8------Clinton Portis------WAS-1315--343---3.8----5----64
9------Reuben Droughns---DEN-1240---275--4.5----6----51
10-----Fred Taylor---------JAC-1224--260--4.7-----2----46
11-----Domanick Davis-----HOU-1188---302-3.9----13 ----44

six out of eleven backs say "i don't need a run over 44 yards (aka a 'homerun threat') to be in the top thirteen backs in the league"...just sick of this videogame/unrealistic mentality of 'homerun threat' backs blah blah blah...
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only thing I can comment on and nothing against DD... but why is it that when he has a good game ..we most likely lose? (i.e. he handles the ball a bunch)
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only thing I can comment on and nothing against DD... but why is it that when he has a good game ..we most likely lose? (i.e. he handles the ball a bunch)
Probably because we lose the majority of our games. Our 3 year record is 16-32. That's pretty good odds for a loss. I think I'm going to start a thread that points out when David Carr starts, we lose.
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Probably because we lose the majority of our games. Our 3 year record is 16-32. That's pretty good odds for a loss. I think I'm going to start a thread that points out when David Carr starts, we lose.

haha yes i get sick of hearing about how when D.D does good we lose, well if we all think so highly od david carr why when he plays good sometimes we also lose. Very true Wags !
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IMO ...Teams know DD can't hurt them.. AJ can...so they take the ball out of AJ's hands by letting us dump it to DD all day long or let DD run the ball..
If DD was such a threat ...when we handed the ball off /dump it off.. teams would bring 8 into the box to stop him.. That would open up AJ from the double team that he receives.... That doesn't happen...

I am not blaming DD for the loses.. I jsut know that our opponents focus isn't on stopping DD.. when is the last time you heard that? ...now keeping AJ from getting a slant pattern and go the distance... that is the discussion
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well lets get another WR threat, let the o-line continue their solid run blocking from the end of last season and it will all even out, Davis can have decent games,,,AJ wont be pressured so much and Carr will have another good WR he can look for,,,see problem solved
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I finally realized the main reason we should get another standout receiver (probably a 2nd rounder since word is Williamson will probably be gone by 13)...The reason we should get another guy is that the secondaries of the AFC South are very weak, and if we had two good receivers, then we'd be at an instant advantage half of the season...
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It's not really an advantage... it's to prevent being taken advantage of.

After all, them dirty Colts are making everyone in the AFC South NEED 3 high-quality DBs.
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IMO ...Teams know DD can't hurt them.. AJ can...so they take the ball out of AJ's hands by letting us dump it to DD all day long or let DD run the ball..
If DD was such a threat ...when we handed the ball off /dump it off.. teams would bring 8 into the box to stop him.. That would open up AJ from the double team that he receives.... That doesn't happen...
Oh my god. You mean a #3 draft pick is a bigger threat than a 4th round RB. Hold on the earth is about to shatter. No offense, but AJ is and always will be the biggest threat even if Jamal Lewis was on the team. That is to a degree the role of a RB--a RB gashes you for 6 or 15 yards, a WR gashes you for 45. Sure either can "go the distance" but all things equal, a WR like AJ must always be concentrated on. The fact he is potentially a great one doesn't detract from whoever is the RB.
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Oh my god. You mean a #3 draft pick is a bigger threat than a 4th round RB. Hold on the earth is about to shatter. No offense, but AJ is and always will be the biggest threat even if Jamal Lewis was on the team. That is to a degree the role of a RB--a RB gashes you for 6 or 15 yards, a WR gashes you for 45. Sure either can "go the distance" but all things equal, a WR like AJ must always be concentrated on. The fact he is potentially a great one doesn't detract from whoever is the RB.
I have to disagree to an extent. RB is a powerful position if done right. For Example, Barry Sanders would have been the 'keyed' on even if AJ was on the team. In this league, it is the person who is the most dangerous to break away is the one keyed on. I would take a Barry, or Ricky Williams (before his mental probs), Faulk (when he was younger), Holmes, and a few others before I would take a AJ. Why? To make AJ work, you have to have several things to work. Good protection for a QB, A good read by a QB, a good throw by a QB, a good awareness by a WR, and a good catch by a WR. But for a RB, it might be a handoff and a good block from the oline to set the wheels in motion. At times, a RB must protect the QB SO he can get it to the WR.

Each has its place, but for me.. RB is more important then WR.
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