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Old 03-23-2011   #61
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Prudently but actively spending money in free agency this season will be highly beneficial. And, that is what he is saying they are going to do.
Dude, you don't know what the Texans are going to do anymore than I do. And I know squat. What McNair said can be interpreted in various ways because he was (unintentionally) talking out of both sides of his mouth.

"We're ready to move." Sounds good.

"We're not going to do something we think is crazy." Well, what are you going to do?

"...most of our dollars go to keeping our players..." So by "ready to move" you mean jogging in place?

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What you fail to understand is that McNair has not earned the benefit of the doubt from his fans, and so every single thing that comes out of his mouth is questioned - with good reason.
That's my point. Just do it, Bob. Your talk is worthless. Less than worthless. Do something.

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Who are the most successful franchises around?
The teams with the best coaches and front offices. Well, the Texans don't have either. So buying a championship isn't somthing that should be dismissed out of hand.

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Here is something I wrote in January, from Texans Bull Blog:
That was as honest examination of the Texans as I've seen. McNair seems to copycat his way around the game. Because he doesn't understand it. That's why I would like to see and hear less from him. McNair needs a real football guy running this organization. Not a 10 year novice who seemingly will never get it.
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please go **** yourself, McNair. just continue doing what you do best, being an abysmal failure and a bad owner.

it has worked out so well to date. at least you have great fans like 'Joe Texan' who don't really care how much you suck, as long as you keep rolling out crap they will keep buying it....but rest assured, most of your good fans aren't as naive as those type of fans.

At the end fo the day, your franchise is a joke and you are committed to one thing. $$$$$. so please spare us the dog and pony show. the day you decided to keep not just Rick or Gary, but both...told me all I needed to know about you. You are a pile of crap and I hope you go away and take this pathetic franchise with you. You will not be missed.
Wow. Frustrated cowboys fan? Stay classy.

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I can't disagree more with the bolded. The second-echelon is what the Texans have always gotten in FA...how's that worked out so far? Improving from last to 25th in pass defense is a net gain of 7 spots, but you still suck at that point.

IMHO - There IS a time to 'pull out the pocketbook' and that's to get a guy who is as good or better than anyone at his position.
OK. This is an honest question. What is the last free agent (other than one of the troubled players like vick) to go to a team and be the reason for their turnaround?

I'm not saying there haven't been and i'm sure that a few can rattle off 10 in a second but I don't think it happens often. I'd almost be willing to bet that the teams that have spent the most money in free agency over the last 5 years have very few playoff appearances between them. I have no stat to back that up (shame on me) but the first one that wants to take me up on it... $10 donation to the board?

Even the "can't miss" FA's seem to not work out very well.

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we mimic all the current and past great teams Pittsburg New england greenbay

except we never win like them :P o well we keep up all these Draft picks and core plays im sure we will win one of these days
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I think we all want the same thing and recognize many of the same problems. The issue seems to come down to "posture". For me, I want to be hopeful and optimistic not resentful and bitter. I do get what has led people to become resentful. I think the frustration and resentment, though, as led some of you to conclude/assume the worst about every item presented you regarding McNair.

For instance, some have concluded he doesn't care about winning and is only looking to make money. I don't see evidence of that motivation. Two clubs that do operate that way are: Cincinnati and Washington. Mike Brown lowballs every football player and every employee on the team and spends near the bottom of the league every season. Dan Snyder rings every single penny out of the Redskin fanbase by means of one despicable act after another, including suing old ladies too poor to renew their season tickets (literally true). These are not the business practices of Bob McNair. McNair also permits tailgating at the stadium and has kept the ticket and parking prices relatively low despite demand exceeding the supply of tickets every single season. The Texans are also consistently in the top half of the league spending on player salaries. They also carry a large coaching staff and a large scouting department.

There are many reasons for the Texans lack of success and I would blame McNair for some of them... I would also attribute some of the failures simply to circumstances beyond anyone's control. Just like Robert Kraft needed a series of fortunate events to begin his success in New England: Bledsoe injury, referee robbing the Raiders via replay, clutching field goal kicking, Parcells and Belicheck having a lovers' quarrel, etc... Bob McNair has not had such events. Instead, he has had: Hurricane Ike, Rosencopter, Kris Brown meltdown, and the Colts rolling over for the Jets in 2009.
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Show me the well-run organization that pays elite money for free agents....

Pittsburgh... no
New England... no
Indianapolis... no
The problem is that "classy" does not not necessarily translate into "well-run." Well-run organizations have people at the top that can consistently make good decisions. If good decisions are not made, paying or not paying elite money doesn't make a flip of difference in the end result.
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Yeah, he could come out and say, "We won't be outbid for Aso!!"

& we still won't get the man, because he decides he wants to play for NYGiants/NYJets or the Dallas Cowboys for less money... but we'll effectively bid up the price tag.
My point exactly. It takes 2 to tango & short of offering these guys an outrageous contract, there is absolutely NO REASON why any of the top guys would want to come here. & i for 1 don't want Mcnair to become the Dan Snyder of the south....or the Al Davis of the South for that matter.
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Show me the playoff appearences the Raiders had with Nnambi at CB. There is a 53 man roster. So, if one player (particularly other than QB) is eating up 10% of the entire salary cap (like Nnambi did his last two seasons in Oakland) then there is either a lack of talent on the team or there soon will be. In Oakland's case, they could afford him because they didn't have a QB to pay for, nor an Andre Johnson on the offense.

Show me the well-run organization that pays elite money for free agents....

Pittsburgh... no
New England... no
Indianapolis... no

In each example, their highest paid player is consistently their homegrown QB. Perhaps it is simply a coincidence. Let's look at the teams during the salary cap era that have frequently paid top dollar for the big name free agents:

Washington Redskins (how many of you guys wanted Haynesworth? be honest)
Dallas Cowboys (gross)Oakland Raiders (double gross)

What is the example in the salary cap era of the NFL of a team outbidding the rest of the NFL for an elite FA and it worked out well?

Don't say Deion Sanders in 1994. Even though the cap had started, the ramifications of the cap had not hit teams nor the NFL. Focus on the last 10 years, or so. Let's list Superbowl Champs:

2010: Green Bay? they got Charles Woodson at a discount after a couple poor seasons
2009: New Orleans? Brees on a discount due to injured shoulder
2008: Pittsburgh?
2007: NYGiants?
2006: Indy?
2005: Pittsburgh?
2004: New England?
2003: New England?...

I'm really not seeing the argument for offering elite money at a FA, especially when the talent pool is so rich. However, I see reasons not to:

San Fran: $80 million to Nate Clements
Washington: $100 million to Haynesworth
The above bolded shows me that you just spew rhetoric and pay attention to nothing that is reality. Name the last big time free agent Dallas brought in?Seriously. TO didn't break the bank and was one guy. Deion was in 1995. Leonard Davis is the only other guys and he worked out...so 3. Besides that they have barely been involved in Free Agency over the years unless Igor O is a big splash along with Keith Brooking. They have used older, cheaper guys to help out. Last year, uncapped...Montrae Holland. You can babble all you want about who does it right but the teams you keep naming have the right people in place to make it work while this team has people you adore but are the wrong people so far. Please stop repeating catch phrases and actually look at reality. Don't count Deion...why because 2 teams signing the top cover corner helped them win SBs? Look at the names on these lists...do any scream...bargain, second tier guy? No. A majority were top guys.

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?...o&confirm=true

That list was until 2008. Adding in the past years...Schefters Top 5 are Brees, Reggie White, Deion, Plaxico, Curtis Martin.
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Show me the playoff appearences the Raiders had with Nnambi at CB. There is a 53 man roster. So, if one player (particularly other than QB) is eating up 10% of the entire salary cap (like Nnambi did his last two seasons in Oakland) then there is either a lack of talent on the team or there soon will be. In Oakland's case, they could afford him because they didn't have a QB to pay for, nor an Andre Johnson on the offense.
So, do you really believe:
A) Aso couldn't help the Texans overall, after all, our Offense has struggled without him.
B) You're already certain that the future salary cap wouldn't permit the Texans to sign him
C) That the Texans can't find space for the one of the best CBs in football.
D) That the Texans will suddenly be forced to dump all their most talented players if they sign him.

Riiiight

I'm not asking the Texans to pay him 25mil/yr. I'm asking the Texans to 'be competitive' in the bidding.

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OK. This is an honest question. What is the last free agent (other than one of the troubled players like vick) to go to a team and be the reason for their turnaround?

I'm not saying there haven't been and i'm sure that a few can rattle off 10 in a second but I don't think it happens often. I'd almost be willing to bet that the teams that have spent the most money in free agency over the last 5 years have very few playoff appearances between them. I have no stat to back that up (shame on me) but the first one that wants to take me up on it... $10 donation to the board?

Even the "can't miss" FA's seem to not work out very well.

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To question #1 - When was the last time that a guy, arguable one of the top 3 guys at his position was available in FA? One could almost argue for Peppers last year and he went to a playoff team.

...and to continue the point, the Bears were probably the biggest in the FA market last year. They went into the Playoffs as a #2 seed.
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OK. This is an honest question. What is the last free agent (other than one of the troubled players like vick) to go to a team and be the reason for their turnaround?

I'm not saying there haven't been and i'm sure that a few can rattle off 10 in a second but I don't think it happens often. I'd almost be willing to bet that the teams that have spent the most money in free agency over the last 5 years have very few playoff appearances between them. I have no stat to back that up (shame on me) but the first one that wants to take me up on it... $10 donation to the board?

Even the "can't miss" FA's seem to not work out very well.

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Brees. Super Bowl. Thank you and good night.

I think you guys are confusing 2 things...1) Top FAs for a given year and 2) Top Players in the league. If you look at FA's history, guys like Reggie White, Deion, they have made the difference. Top players. Just because the top DB in a given year is rated #1 doesn't make him the top guy. Right now you have a guy who is considered one of the 2 tops at his position and who can make a teams weakness a strength.
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Brees. Super Bowl. Thank you and good night.

I think you guys are confusing 2 things...1) Top FAs for a given year and 2) Top Players in the league. If you look at FA's history, guys like Reggie White, Deion, they have made the difference. Top players. Just because the top DB in a given year is rated #1 doesn't make him the top guy. Right now you have a guy who is considered one of the 2 tops at his position and who can make a teams weakness a strength.
We never even gave Brees a look, IIRC. Not even a LOOK.

For every Arian Foster on this team, there's 25 Drew Brees-type players out there that the Texans just somehow aren't interested in.

Here's a quote by dalemurphy I'd like to address, as well:

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Yes, dale, the problem has been with implementation. By the way, who "implements" things around the Texans organization? A combination of guys, namely Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak--The two chief "implementators" of the Texans.

And who retained those two guys, dale? Yes, it was the owner. Bob McNair.

And this, IMO, is why people are just dead dog tired of whatever comes from McNair's mouth. We get it already: He's going to say what we want to hear, what seems "applaudible," and then grab your ankles and hold on for the probing maneuver.

Here's what's going to happen, IMO: We're going to have a serious sit-down with Aso...and he's going to use us to up the bidding war amongst the teams he REALLY wants to play for. Happens every time, and it happens because the guys who are "implementing" things have proven they can't get to the big game. To the Big Show. These players want the payday, and they want the ring(s) too. It's a package deal, and they're going to use us to get to those better teams who have better implementators than we do.

Therefore, Bob has a stigma to overcome. A stigma he himself created by not being smarter about the football side of operations. His own damn fault, and we're paying for it on our end. We get to sit and watch a guy try to copycat and pussyfoot his way around building a real team in the NFL.
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Name the last big time free agent Dallas brought in?
Generally agree with you that Dallas is not that big a FA player and this is not a free agent but they made a huge deal (and mistake) to get Roy Williams.

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I'm not asking the Texans to pay him 25mil/yr. I'm asking the Texans to 'be competitive' in the bidding.
How is that different than what McNair said? Odds are we will never know the various offers made.
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Brees. Super Bowl. Thank you and good night.

I think you guys are confusing 2 things...1) Top FAs for a given year and 2) Top Players in the league. If you look at FA's history, guys like Reggie White, Deion, they have made the difference. Top players. Just because the top DB in a given year is rated #1 doesn't make him the top guy. Right now you have a guy who is considered one of the 2 tops at his position and who can make a teams weakness a strength.

They got Brres at a discount because of his serious shoulder injury that nobody knew he could recover from. I believe the deal was similar to the deal the Texans signed Schaub to.

Again, going back to Reggie White and Deion isn't an honest argument. We're dealing with the salary cap now. An NFL team can't operate like the NY Yankees and be successful. Of course, all things being equal, Nnambi would help this team. However, if you pay for him, there is the reality that the team will be unable to pay for others.
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They got Brres at a discount because of his serious shoulder injury that nobody knew he could recover from. I believe the deal was similar to the deal the Texans signed Schaub to.

Again, going back to Reggie White and Deion isn't an honest argument. We're dealing with the salary cap now. An NFL team can't operate like the NY Yankees and be successful. Of course, all things being equal, Nnambi would help this team. However, if you pay for him, there is the reality that the team will be unable to pay for others.
True on Brees...I was just answering the question on who has made an impact

But honestly would you rather have that money pay for 3 guys that have done pretty well but you aren't sure what you are getting or would you rather have one of the top 2 shut down guys in the league, have the draft, have Wade added and have the offense and take your shot? I'll take the latter any day of the week.
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OK. This is an honest question. What is the last free agent (other than one of the troubled players like vick) to go to a team and be the reason for their turnaround?

I'm not saying there haven't been and i'm sure that a few can rattle off 10 in a second but I don't think it happens often. I'd almost be willing to bet that the teams that have spent the most money in free agency over the last 5 years have very few playoff appearances between them. I have no stat to back that up (shame on me) but the first one that wants to take me up on it... $10 donation to the board?

Even the "can't miss" FA's seem to not work out very well.

Mike

Mike, You are right that the Cowboys haven't been incredibly active the past few years in the free agent market. However, their philosophy is what I am referencing. As ICak pointed out, it sometimes shows up in trades. Their philosophy is that a star player, at almost any cost, is good for the team. Here are some examples:

- traded 2 1st round picks to get Joey Galloway
- traded a 1st and 3rd round pick to get Roy Williams
- signed T.O. to a large deal
- signed Leonard Davis to a $50 million deal to play RG

all of those deals are examples of overvaluing a single player. I believe that is a failed philosophy in today's NFL. McNair believes that as well. I agree with him. Agreeing with McNair in one area, doesn't mean I agree with everything he has done/believes. I prefer to support/applaud him when we are in agreement and be critical in the areas where I believe he is wrong. Some of you have determined to criticize him about everything he says/does, regardless, because you are disappointed with the results.

I'll ask again: how many of you that want the Texans to bid seriously for Nnambi also wanted the Texans to bid high for Haynesworth? Come on. Be honest.
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Generally agree with you that Dallas is not that big a FA player and this is not a free agent but they made a huge deal (and mistake) to get Roy Williams.



How is that different than what McNair said? Odds are we will never know the various offers made.



I thought the reason for their turnaround was Sean Payton. Seem to have heard that repeatedly around here. But yes, both were critical to their success. Having said that Brees was kind of a fluke. He was getting booted from the team that drafted him and coming off career threatening surgery to his throwing arm. Then meets the right system and becomes elite. Miami got first choice and signed Culpepper (that sure worked out well). You can't plan for that kind of thing. Folks (cough GP cough) like to be all 20/20 hindsight and talk about Brees but at the time Culpepper was the higher rated player by most pundits.
Roy Williams....(Throw up Smilie)(Jerry palm)

But back to them real quick. It really is a misconception. Jerry besides those 3 I named really has been pretty cheap and low key when it comes to FA. Especially the last 5-10 years. He ties up his money in his own players and tries to fill in gaps. Disappointing at times because there have been a few guys that I think could have been key leader/role guys that have been missed over the years.

Agree on Brees being a chance but he still had done pretty well with the Chargers. The injury was the big question.

Again, I'm not saying EVERY guy works out. I'm just sorting by Top Players vs Top FAs. Many top players have made an impact. Even if you look at pre-free agency how fast did Dallas's D in the SB years become better when Haley came on? Impact guys in their prime can give a sense of hope, some swagger and some more confidence in the guys around them. More so than say a Jaques Reeves.

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Mike, You are right that the Cowboys haven't been incredibly active the past few years in the free agent market. However, their philosophy is what I am referencing. As ICak pointed out, it sometimes shows up in trades. Their philosophy is that a star player, at almost any cost, is good for the team. Here are some examples:

- traded 2 1st round picks to get Joey Galloway
- traded a 1st and 3rd round pick to get Roy Williams
- signed T.O. to a large deal
- signed Leonard Davis to a $50 million deal to play RG

all of those deals are examples of overvaluing a single player. I believe that is a failed philosophy in today's NFL. McNair believes that as well. I agree with him. Agreeing with McNair in one area, doesn't mean I agree with everything he has done/believes. I prefer to support/applaud him when we are in agreement and be critical in the areas where I believe he is wrong. Some of you have determined to criticize him about everything he says/does, regardless, because you are disappointed with the results.

I'll ask again: how many of you that want the Texans to bid seriously for Nnambi also wanted the Texans to bid high for Haynesworth? Come on. Be honest.
I think this may have been directed at me and I answered some above. Trades are different but Galloway was a need. Did it hit. No. Roy Williams either. But Davis has played well and worked out and TO wasn't a huge deal...3 years, 25 million. Not alot for the production they got. They got headaches too but a little over 8 mill a year for a top WR...I'll take it. So basically they still haven't made that many splashes in what..18 years. And honestly, I'd rather have a guy win a SB with Deion, do pretty well with TO and Davis and miss large on Roy and Galloway and have something to show than follow a course that has failed so far. Jerry sucks at GM many times but he also hits sometimes and overall I know he wants it.
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My point exactly. It takes 2 to tango & short of offering these guys an outrageous contract, there is absolutely NO REASON why any of the top guys would want to come here. & i for 1 don't want Mcnair to become the Dan Snyder of the south....or the Al Davis of the South for that matter.
Why it's not your $$$$. Unless you're BoB.

I really dont care if he signs FA's or not. I just wanta great product on the field and so far for a decade under McNairs leadership the Texans have = success at the bank and fail on the field.

I dont understand why a fan wouldn't want his owner to bring in the best players in FA. Because teams that have the best talent usually win.

Why wouldn't you want an owner who like Snyder who altough he hasn't been successful puts his $$$$ where his mouth is, Unlike BoB who for the last 3 yrs has been saying this is a playoff team. But when they fail to achieve what was his stated goal. He not only doesn't fire his GM and HC. He re-ups them. Things like this make me ? his comittment to winning.
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However, if you pay for him, there is the reality that the team will be unable to pay for others.
And that's why I'd be Ok with shopping Mario, to dump the impending BIG contract he's going to command.

In addition, I would have let Owen Daniels go. I don't want any back-and-forth wars over this issue either. Let me be clear: I think the world of OD. He is a key cog in the offense, no doubt. But we're at a point, IMO, where we have to decide what parts are essential and which parts are luxuries. IMO, the serious weapons of Schaub, Foster, Ward, Tate (hopefully), AJ, and the relatively adequate supporting role players of Dreesen/Graham/Casey/Walter/DA/JJ, I think OD is someone we could have afforded to lose.

Trading Mario Williams, and I'm bracing for the flood of heckling that will ensue from this theory here, gets us potentially another defensive line player who fits a 3-4 better. It might even get us a draft pick or two. And it rids us of the impending mammoth-sized deal he's going to want in order to stay on the sucky Texans team for perhapd the remainder of his career.

Those are two players, IMO, who can leave here and gain us a Pro Bowl caliber CB and a replacement player or two on the d-line (and draft picks).

Heck, we should have (or "could have," might be the better term) tried to sign and trade OD. The tender on him was going to be too high, but we could have packaged him appropriately for perhaps a lower draft pick or two. By grabbing a few extra draft picks, you then parlay THOSE extra picks by packaging them and trading up with a team on draft day.

At the end of the day, we are not seeing anything CREATIVE or DYNAMIC by McNair. It seems to be the standard to secure something that's not going to rock the boat, and then hold onto it for dear life as if the whole space-time continuum might be thrown completely off if we did.

Stability and comfort are ruling the day. Bob is convinced that it's "baby steps" that will win the race. This isn't a 401K, it's 16 games and then hopefully three more wins for the ring. His whole ideology is trickling down through everything, upon the "implementators" and to then to the players themselves. All of them are convinced that we'll have another game to do better, and another season to get there. It's been drilled into their subconscious by virtue of the big man himself.

Thus, it will take the most perfect storm for this team to overcome the genetic code set forth by its owner. This is why few people on here are hopeful, and why those same people aren't playing along with what Bob says. Lucky's assertion that Bob should be quiet is the most prudent thing that's been said on here thus far.
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True on Brees...I was just answering the question on who has made an impact

You can't but honestly would you rather have that money pay for 3 guys that have done pretty well but you aren't sure what you are getting or would you rather have one of the top 2 shut down guys in the league, have the draft, have Wade added and have the offense and take your shot? I'll take the latter any day of the week.
Look, I would be excited if the Texans signed Nnambi. How could I not be? He's very good. But, I think the smartest approaching, looking at this free agent market, is to target some guys below him. Personally, I think Johnathan Joseph and Brandon Carr have a good chance to be better than Nnambi over the next 5 years, simply because of their age and the fact that they are quite gifted and have proven to be very good.

With the Texans fortunes, I would be terrified Nnambi would blow out a knee in training camp and be lost for the season. While that is not a good argument for not signing a draft pick, it does touch on the realities of the NFL. With the realities of injuries, it is often better to strengthen depth and add 3 or 4 talented players to a team rather than grab one, single player in hopes that his presence creates a chain reaction for the rest of the defense... what happens when he gets hurt?
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The teams with the best coaches and front offices. Well, the Texans don't have either. So buying a championship isn't somthing that should be dismissed out of hand.
BINGO. We can debate FA signings until we are blue in the face, but unless we have great people at GM and HC, the organization will continue to flounder in it's mediocrity.

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Just like Robert Kraft needed a series of fortunate events to begin his success in New England: Bledsoe injury, referee robbing the Raiders via replay, clutching field goal kicking, Parcells and Belicheck having a lovers' quarrel, etc...
huh?

I wonder about your NFL knowledge sometimes. You do realize that Bob Kraft bought the team in 1994 and the team was in Super Bowl XXXI a few years later? How is that "a series of fortunate events to begin his success in New England"??? Dude's team was in the playoffs FOUR times before he hired Bill Belichick.

Kraft fired Pete Carroll after going to the playoffs for two seaons. He fired him after an 8-8 season!!! How the heck do you even try to compare this owner to McNair, whose embracing of mediocrity is the exact opposite? Kraft never would have extended Kubiak's contract, hired a noob GM, and then kept them after regressing and no playoff appearances!

There is absolutely no valid comparison between the Patriots and Texans or Robert Kraft and Bob McNair. I find the subject to be goofy, to put it politely.
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