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Old 03-16-2011   #21
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You don't think Nolan will be any better as a 2nd yr player?

I'd like to see McMannis see the field as well. They must have seen something there to draft him?

I'd like to see our "steal" seventh rounder on the field too. I'd love to see him shine in PS.
I like Nolan. I think he is solid depth. But I don't think he is a long term solution.
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I really like to see McMannis get some FS looks. like his range, ball skills & longer wingspan than Quin for position, if Glover is our best CB why move him?
I know you were high on McCain last year...what do you think his prospects are in the upcoming season?
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Move Quinn and draft Lefeged,

That solves the S position and gives Phillips 2 coverage S that fit his scheme.

Sands also would be a good pick. He's pretty good in coverage and is a very hard hitter.
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I know you were high on McCain last year...what do you think his prospects are in the upcoming season?
I've heard there is a chance he could start, so don't be too surprised (source was barry on 610).
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secondary just lost more leadership/experience (Pollard & Wilson) so I guess we better believe Gary when he say's they're going young.
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Do you guys think that Robert Sands is too tall to be an effective safety? He is listed as 6'5" 220-lbs and he can sure as hell knock the crap outta' people, but would he be a liability in pass coverage?
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Do you guys think that Robert Sands is too tall to be an effective safety? He is listed as 6'5" 220-lbs and he can sure as hell knock the crap outta' people, but would he be a liability in pass coverage?
I think he is just what you want in a SS. Hits hard, makes tackles, and has decent coverage ability.

I'm not expecting us to have two center fielders back there. If we got Sands and matched him up with a good cover guy at FS we would be set I think.
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Do you guys think that Robert Sands is too tall to be an effective safety? He is listed as 6'5" 220-lbs and he can sure as hell knock the crap outta' people, but would he be a liability in pass coverage?
in the box safety like Pollard
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secondary just lost more leadership/experience (Pollard & Wilson) so I guess we better believe Gary when he say's they're going young.
Oh boy

Just cant wait to see more of the same from Jackson and McCain.

3rd and 8, Manning drops to pass, pass is complete to Wayne for a Colts 1st down. I've heard this story before.
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Oh boy

Just cant wait to see more of the same from Jackson and McCain.

3rd and 8, Manning drops to pass, pass is complete to Wayne for a Colts 1st down. I've heard this story before.
unless the blitz package gets to him first?

Wade will impact the front seven for sure, they will add weapon(s) to use & implement for a more effective pass rush which will leave seconday less exposed. Big FA splash will be at least one or the other (FS/SS) with a mid tier veteren CB thrown in the mix. the coverage will change completley at least far as scheme going to more zone & less press with more safety help deep & less creaping too close to scrimmage.
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well, we never had a great safety. and being a fan of texas longhorns, i love great safeties.
and if the scouts are right about this draft the Texans won't finding a great safety this year either.
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and if the scouts are right about this draft the Texans won't finding a great safety this year either.
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This is why Quin needs to move to FS. If they add a CB in FA that would really be a big help.

There should be a good S available in the 3rd rd. Lefeged is a fast playmaking S. Sash is a smart football player who should also be available. Both of these guys would be huge upgrades.

Just because there isn't a Polamalu or Reed in this draft. Doesn't mean that the Texans cant draft a S in rd 3-4. That wouldn't be a huge upgrade over the crap that was at the S position for the Texans last yr.

I want more speed at the S position. The lack of speed there made a young group of CB's look pitiful. Example the long pass against the Jets. Yes, Allen played the wrong technique but Wilson didn't have enough speed to make for Allen's mistake.
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I've heard there is a chance he could start, so don't be too surprised (source was barry on 610).
Barry Warner just lost a lot of credibility with me then. McCain looked like a nice diamond in the rough his rookie year with the chance to be a quality nickleback.

Last year he was downright miserable. 1 game in particular (Charger's maybe?) his highlights deserved a Benny Hill theme song. It may be a technique issue (i hope). If Brice McCain is a starter for this team our defense will be worse then last year.

As far as the safety position goes i think i have Rick Smith's formula figured out for filling needs on this team :

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= opening day starter (1 of the 3 is bound to have a decent season right? this way we don't have to pay him squat and i get credit as a gm capable of finding something outta nothing!)
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Barry Warner just lost a lot of credibility with me then. McCain looked like a nice diamond in the rough his rookie year with the chance to be a quality nickleback.

Last year he was downright miserable. 1 game in particular (Charger's maybe?) his highlights deserved a Benny Hill theme song. It may be a technique issue (i hope). If Brice McCain is a starter for this team our defense will be worse then last year.

As far as the safety position goes i think i have Rick Smith's formula figured out for filling needs on this team :

1 bad starter
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= opening day starter (1 of the 3 is bound to have a decent season right? this way we don't have to pay him squat and i get credit as a gm capable of finding something outta nothing!)

I was very down on McCain last year...

That said, I honestly believe that our defensive personnel wasn't as bad as the coaching made it look....

I don't like the fact that McCain seems to get man handled when he's around the ball, but to me that is something that can be fixed...He has very good speed and he seems to not get lost when in man coverage...His zone coverage needs work, but that can be said for pretty much anyone that played zone covg last year...

I dunno if I would pencil McCain in as the starter just yet, but I do expect him to make a noticeable improvement (if he has time to work with the coaching staff)....
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I was very down on McCain last year...

That said, I honestly believe that our defensive personnel wasn't as bad as the coaching made it look....

I don't like the fact that McCain seems to get man handled when he's around the ball, but to me that is something that can be fixed...He has very good speed and he seems to not get lost when in man coverage...His zone coverage needs work, but that can be said for pretty much anyone that played zone covg last year...

I dunno if I would pencil McCain in as the starter just yet, but I do expect him to make a noticeable improvement (if he has time to work with the coaching staff)....
Glad to see you're optimistic.
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I've been saying that we've got to be careful that we don't go extremely young again in the secondary.

I'm on the fence when it comes to Quin. I'm fine with

1. keeping Quin & KJ as CBs, bringing in one FA safety, and then either drafting a safety or bringing in another FA safety.

I think that a lot of what looked bad from GQ and KJ was just a lack of support over the top combined with youth. If we get a good vet safety to provide leadership and then another athletic safety, we could fix the secondary issues. ESPECIALLY if we improve our pass rush.

2. moving Quin to FS, keep KJ at CB, bring in a FA CB, and then draft a SS.

I think Quin could be really good at FS. KJ will look better with more experience and if he gets proper support from his safeties. A FA CB could help steady the whole crew. And a young talented safety would be able to provide better support than Pollard and Wilson could.

I don't like the idea of trying to draft a CB AND two safeties (or two CBs and one safety and move Quin to FS) to try to fix the problem. Sure, we might get a lot more talented on the backend but there's just not enough experience if we do that. And if we do that, we probably haven't fixed our front 7 and that means that the inexperienced crew will have to cover for too long.
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If I were the Texans I would not bring in a middle of the road type free agent to be a starter in the defensive backfield.

We're probably going to have to overpay, and middle of the road guys can go either way...could be a waste of money or money well spent. If I were going to go after a free agent DB for this team I'd go for a stud or the closest thing to a stud I could find. They need to get as close to a sure thing as they can find.

An Anthony Weaver type of "upgrade" will be disappointing.
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I've been saying that we've got to be careful that we don't go extremely young again in the secondary.

I'm on the fence when it comes to Quin. I'm fine with

1. keeping Quin & KJ as CBs, bringing in one FA safety, and then either drafting a safety or bringing in another FA safety.

I think that a lot of what looked bad from GQ and KJ was just a lack of support over the top combined with youth. If we get a good vet safety to provide leadership and then another athletic safety, we could fix the secondary issues. ESPECIALLY if we improve our pass rush.

2. moving Quin to FS, keep KJ at CB, bring in a FA CB, and then draft a SS.

I think Quin could be really good at FS. KJ will look better with more experience and if he gets proper support from his safeties. A FA CB could help steady the whole crew. And a young talented safety would be able to provide better support than Pollard and Wilson could.

I don't like the idea of trying to draft a CB AND two safeties (or two CBs and one safety and move Quin to FS) to try to fix the problem. Sure, we might get a lot more talented on the backend but there's just not enough experience if we do that. And if we do that, we probably haven't fixed our front 7 and that means that the inexperienced crew will have to cover for too long.

I've been more on the "bring in veteran CB" bandwagon, regardless of what we do with Quin. But I've been thinking more and more about the Safeties because I totally agree that they were the main culprits last season with our secondary woes.

Option 1 - Keep Quin and Jackson as starting CBs. I'd like to re-sign Jason Allen. Going this route, I could see a veteran S pick up. I believe Gerald Sensabaugh and Alan Ball (both from the Cowboys) are free agents. Don't know much about them but newly hired HC/DCs like guys they're familiar with. Sign one and draft a safety like Rahim Moore, Quinton Carter, etc. A guy like Eric Weddle would be amazing.

Option 2 - Draft a 2nd/3rd rd type of safety: Quinton Carter, Tyler Sash, etc. (Moore is too much of a pure FS to me, may not work with Quin at FS?) Sign a veteran CB like Ike Taylor or (gulp) Nnamdi Asomugha.

Maybe its blind faith, but I do think we'll see progress in Kareem's play next season. It will really show when there is safety help over the top via Quin or FA.

That "fixes" our secondary issues. In addressing the Front 7 - I think most everyone feels like the 11th overall pick will be on a front 7 guy.

1) OLB Aldon Smith 2) S Quinton Carter 3) DE/DT Jarvis Jenkins

Sign a veteran S and keep Quin at CB or sign a veteran CB and move Quin to FS.
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I've been more on the "bring in veteran CB" bandwagon, regardless of what we do with Quin. But I've been thinking more and more about the Safeties because I totally agree that they were the main culprits last season with our secondary woes.

Option 1 - Keep Quin and Jackson as starting CBs. I'd like to re-sign Jason Allen. Going this route, I could see a veteran S pick up. I believe Gerald Sensabaugh and Alan Ball (both from the Cowboys) are free agents. Don't know much about them but newly hired HC/DCs like guys they're familiar with. Sign one and draft a safety like Rahim Moore, Quinton Carter, etc. A guy like Eric Weddle would be amazing.

Option 2 - Draft a 2nd/3rd rd type of safety: Quinton Carter, Tyler Sash, etc. (Moore is too much of a pure FS to me, may not work with Quin at FS?) Sign a veteran CB like Ike Taylor or (gulp) Nnamdi Asomugha.

Maybe its blind faith, but I do think we'll see progress in Kareem's play next season. It will really show when there is safety help over the top via Quin or FA.

That "fixes" our secondary issues. In addressing the Front 7 - I think most everyone feels like the 11th overall pick will be on a front 7 guy.

1) OLB Aldon Smith 2) S Quinton Carter 3) DE/DT Jarvis Jenkins

Sign a veteran S and keep Quin at CB or sign a veteran CB and move Quin to FS.
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1. Quin is an average to below avg CB. He could be an above avg FS.

2. FA CB's like Taylor or to a lesser extent Josh Wilson or after he's cut Nate Clements to give the Texans some leadership on the backend.
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If I were the Texans I would not bring in a middle of the road type free agent to be a starter in the defensive backfield.

We're probably going to have to overpay, and middle of the road guys can go either way...could be a waste of money or money well spent. If I were going to go after a free agent DB for this team I'd go for a stud or the closest thing to a stud I could find. They need to get as close to a sure thing as they can find.

An Anthony Weaver type of "upgrade" will be disappointing.
I agree.

Obviously, the perfect situation would be to get Nnamdi Asomugha. But he's going to have a lot of suitors.

Johnathon Joseph from the Bengals will probably be franchised.

The guys that we possibly have a realistic shot at that would satisfy our requirements are Ike Taylor and Chris Carr. Maybe Josh Wilson or Carlos Rogers. I doubt we'd go after Cromartie and I think he's over-rated... but he'd be a serious upgrade.

After that, it starts to get questionable. Maybe Eric Wright just needs a change of scenery. Maybe Fabian Washington can stay healthy.

So... the pickings are slim and we're going to have to be aggressive and probably over-pay for someone (unless someone REALLY wants to play for Wade). Too bad there won't be a CBA in place before the draft. Our best shot might be bundling up some picks and a couple of players and getting a CB via trade.
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