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View Poll Results: Which Side are you on?
Owners: the players have no right to see the owners balance sheets 19 22.62%
Players: the owners have no right to take money back without any proof 16 19.05%
On the fence: I see both arguments. 6 7.14%
Neither: It is a group of billionaires fighting with millionaires. I just want football. 43 51.19%
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In the clash of NFL Owners vs NFL Players, which side are you on?
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Of all of the hundreds and hundreds of players in the NFL today, I wonder how many (if any at all), would be better off financially if weren't for the NFL ? On the other hand, the owners would pretty much be stinkin rich with or without the league I suspect ? All I'm saying is, the players had better not lose sight of what they have to lose and keep that foremost in their minds at all times as they proceed thru this process to reach a new CBA with the
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I support the fans. Without us the ownera don't own and the players don't play.

Fans need to stand up and unite. Where do you think the $9B comes from? OUR pockets!
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I'm with the owners, especially when it comes to opening the books for the players. If I asked my coporate masters to open the books, I'd be laughed out of their offices; and unlike the players a fair chunk of the company I work for shares are owned by the employees.

I understand the concerns on health care, both during and after their playing days; but it seems the owners agreed with them and were willing to make concessions in that direction.

The players lost all the trust I had with them when they made the first move to stop the process by decertifing.

On the other hand both sides are being greedy bastards.
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Neither. Both sides are gonna see a dramatic effect on diehards like me. I was a diehard MLB fan until 1994, and have NEVER been the same again. I was a bigtime NHL fan until they killed their season several years ago, and I have yet to buy a ticket to a game there since then, nor have I purchased any official NHL merchandise.

The NFL is no different to me, as much as I love it. I'll eventually get apathetic, move on and take years to regain passion for their sport.
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The players lost all the trust I had with them when they made the first move to stop the process by decertifing.
The owners opted out of the CBA years ago. That was the 1st move. Had they not done that, everyone would still be operating under that CBA.


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In the poll, I voted for owners... as I was drafting my post for reasons why, I couldn't argue against one fact!

The NFL is a monopoly!!!

Alot of people, including myself, may say something like... "In my job, I'd get fired for asking my boss I deserve more 'piece of the pie'. Owners take all of the risk when purchasing an NFL team, therefore they have the right to dictate how much they want to play their players." I was going to go on and on down these lines...

But then I realized... if I feel my boss isn't paying me enough, I can simply quit and work elsewhere, doing the same thing. Therefore, they are encourage to keep salaries high to stay competitive. This doesn't hold true in the NFL, though. They have a Monopoly. NFL owners don't have to worry about the players quitting and playing for the Arena league, or the CFL. So I get the players' side as well.

Unfortunately, the only loser in all of this are the fans.
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I'm with the owners, especially when it comes to opening the books for the players. If I asked my coporate masters to open the books, I'd be laughed out of their offices; and unlike the players a fair chunk of the company I work for shares are owned by the employees.
If your income was based upon a percentage of the company's revenue, I'm pretty darn sure you'd want to look at the books.
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Neither for me.

The NFL is a business nothing more.

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The players have the right to want to make more money and the owners have the right to keep as much of their money. Anything less is socialism.

The real losers here is going to be Vegas.
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Neither. Both sides are gonna see a dramatic effect on diehards like me. I was a diehard MLB fan until 1994, and have NEVER been the same again. I was a bigtime NHL fan until they killed their season several years ago, and I have yet to buy a ticket to a game there since then, nor have I purchased any official NHL merchandise.

The NFL is no different to me, as much as I love it. I'll eventually get apathetic, move on and take years to regain passion for their sport.
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Neither. Both sides are gonna see a dramatic effect on diehards like me. I was a diehard MLB fan until 1994, and have NEVER been the same again. I was a bigtime NHL fan until they killed their season several years ago, and I have yet to buy a ticket to a game there since then, nor have I purchased any official NHL merchandise.

The NFL is no different to me, as much as I love it. I'll eventually get apathetic, move on and take years to regain passion for their sport.

So is soccer next for you?

Atleast the Houston 1836 errrrr Dynamo have won a championship.
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I voted neither. Eventually, this is going to hurt everyone - the fans, the players, the owners and the NFL. I think more and more people share Toronto's view and just won't be as interested if and when the two groups decide to get along and go back to playing.

I can see both sides point of view and don't like either one of them.
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If your income was based upon a percentage of the company's revenue, I'm pretty darn sure you'd want to look at the books.
Get real man ! Everybodys income ultimately is based upon the financial performance of their employer, assuming they work in the nongovernmental/private sector of the economy. And I'm also pretty darn sure if most people in the private sector told their employer they wanted to see his books, he'd tell them to look else where for employment.
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I just want football.
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Get real man ! Everybodys income ultimately is based upon the financial performance of their employer, assuming they work in the nongovernmental/private sector of the economy. And I'm also pretty darn sure if most people in the private sector told their employer they wanted to see his books, he'd tell them to look else where for employment.
I guess more of America works for privately held corporations and individuals owners than I thought. I mean it has been a few years for me, but when I worked for places like Target, Wells Fargo and Nations Bank (I think now Bank of America), I was (or either could pretend to be) a stockholder and could get audited financial reports by just requesting it. In fact, Starbucks just sent the annual report(with audited financials) to me.

Audited financials at least with public corporations is a course of business. Now, I am not saying there was not funny money in the report, but for the most an individual could determine if the company was making more, making less money (probably what's happening with some of the NFL franchises) or not making money at all.
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In the poll, I voted for owners... as I was drafting my post for reasons why, I couldn't argue against one fact!

The NFL is a monopoly!!!

Alot of people, including myself, may say something like... "In my job, I'd get fired for asking my boss I deserve more 'piece of the pie'. Owners take all of the risk when purchasing an NFL team, therefore they have the right to dictate how much they want to play their players." I was going to go on and on down these lines...

But then I realized... if I feel my boss isn't paying me enough, I can simply quit and work elsewhere, doing the same thing. Therefore, they are encourage to keep salaries high to stay competitive. This doesn't hold true in the NFL, though. They have a Monopoly. NFL owners don't have to worry about the players quitting and playing for the Arena league, or the CFL. So I get the players' side as well.

Unfortunately, the only loser in all of this are the fans.

No , they dont have a monopoly , they may be the highest paying league but there are other leagues including the Arena and Canadian leagues .... the players do have options , those options are just less appealing than the NFL. They are options just the same.


Open the books ? ..... Hell no , an employee has no right to see that information.

I could easily see some teams losing money especially in smaller markets or those who's teams cant fill a stadium - Jacksonville ? Carolina ? Detroit ?


As for the players wanting a bigger piece of the profits , hell the leage minimum pays about 20 times the salary of the average American .... and most make that many times over. Sure they run the risk of injury but does that mean they can never work again ? ..... these people need to come back down to earth. So much for putting that college education they got for free to work.
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No , they dont have a monopoly , they may be the highest paying league but there are other leagues including the Arena and Canadian leagues .... the players do have options , those options are just less appealing than the NFL. They are options just the same.


Open the books ? ..... Hell no , an employee has no right to see that information.

I could easily see some teams losing money especially in smaller markets or those who's teams cant fill a stadium - Jacksonville ? Carolina ? Detroit ?


As for the players wanting a bigger piece of the profits , hell the leage minimum pays about 20 times the salary of the average American .... and most make that many times over. Sure they run the risk of injury but does that mean they can never work again ? ..... these people need to come back down to earth. So much for putting that college education they got for free to work.

Ummmmm....

You do realize that the players didn't really ask for a bigger piece of the profits...

The owners asked them to play more games and take less money.

I do not blame the players at all (doesn't mean I'm taking their side)...I can see why they would want to see the books and I can see why they don't just bend over and take it like some people want them to.

If I enter into a contract with someone and they come back and ask me to take less money because they are losing money, I'd want to know why too. Especially if they asked me to work a couple extra days as well...

It's business. Yes it sucks for the fans and for all those working class people spending their hard earned money, but I think people just want what works for them.

The fans don't care about the players anymore than the players and owners care about the fans. We just want to watch football, the owners want more money coming their way and the players don't want to take a step back.

Just a bunch of whining coming from all three angles.
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