Cam Newton

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

But hey, at least Cam was the best dressed. On Dez Bryantesqe pre-draft credit I am sure.

Why would he need credit when I'm sure his pops could foot the bill for a suit

[Ole Miss Texan]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Ive had the same thoughts for awhile. The spot with Gruden just enforces it. Cam got by on his athleticism. He doesn't even know play terminology. 36 is a play? Give me a break. Cam doesn't have the capacity to learn what every player is doing on every play and Gus Malzahn is forced to dumb it down.

I think Gabbert and Mallet did a great job. I feel like the Fins will draft him. Gabbert should go top 5 and someone will reach for Cam top 5.

I forget which article I read (probably on here) about Gabbert. But it mentioned during his meetins with one of the teams they had him draw up several plays he had at Missouri from memory. Then they gave him their plays to draw on the board. Then they erased it all and had him start all over again... apparently he has a photgraphic memory and aced the test.

THAT's what it takes to succeed in the NFL in my opinion.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

I forget which article I read (probably on here) about Gabbert. But it mentioned during his meetins with one of the teams they had him draw up several plays he had at Missouri from memory. Then they gave him their plays to draw on the board. Then they erased it all and had him start all over again... apparently he has a photgraphic memory and aced the test.

THAT's what it takes to succeed in the NFL in my opinion.

I agree. But some team will get stupid drunk on Cam's "physical attributes." They always do.

[kiwitexansfan]

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

I forget which article I read (probably on here) about Gabbert. But it mentioned during his meetins with one of the teams they had him draw up several plays he had at Missouri from memory. Then they gave him their plays to draw on the board. Then they erased it all and had him start all over again... apparently he has a photgraphic memory and aced the test.

THAT's what it takes to succeed in the NFL in my opinion.

Being smart doesn't mean you can handle game pressure.

My knock on Gabbert is that he has happy feet and can't handle pressure in game.

Being smart won't stop you running scared at the first hint of pressure.

[Ole Miss Texan]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Being smart doesn't mean you can handle game pressure.

My knock on Gabbert is that he has happy feet and can't handle pressure in game.

Being smart won't stop you running scared at the first hint of pressure.

The thing about Gabbert though is that he's got such a quick release and he's smart. I understand the knock on him are all the false steps he takes and being a bit of a gambler. I don't think he's the cleanest prospect by any means but if I'm a team looking for a franchise QB, I take my chances on him. I think a good QB coach can correct some of his flaws fairly easily. It may take some time but I think you've got everything you look for in a QB, it just takes some coaching.

We'll see if Chudzinski and Shula can work their magic.

[BigBull17]

Mallet has by far the most upside of any of the QB's, IMO. He is big with a pretty big arm. He also has some of the drug baggage, which is dangerous. The thing I would worry about with Newton is that if things go good, he'll be fine. Its when he gets exposed and has to evolve. That's when he'll go crazy and have melt downs. VY was more mature than Cam and that's when he when bonkers and ruined his career.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by BigBull17

Mallet has by far the most upside of any of the QB's, IMO. He is big with a pretty big arm. He also has some of the drug baggage, which is dangerous. The thing I would worry about with Newton is that if things go good, he'll be fine. Its when he gets exposed and has to evolve. That's when he'll go crazy and have melt downs. VY was more mature than Cam and that's when he when bonkers and ruined his career.

I don't think you can say that VY has ruined his career at all. The coach that he had so many problems with is gone now and VY improved on his passing abilities. He was pulled way to early in the season by Fisher to tell really what kind of season he could have had. The year before that he improved a lot and got the Titans back on a winning streak. He may not ever be a full time starter with the Titans or any other team, but then again he might get his shot and make the most of it again like he did two years ago. I think VY is still an unknown for now. I think he'll end up getting another shot again somewhere if not for Tennessee.

As far as Cam goes, I think his career is going to be a disaster to the folks that actually believe that he's going to be a big time player. Even if his poor mechanics and poor throwing doesn't do him in, his shaky personality and his ego will cause problems for himself and the team that's around him. He's got far to many warning signs for me to think that any team should gamble on him before the 3rd round.

[gary]

I have heard some positive feedback about Ponder. What do you guys think?

[kiwitexansfan]

Originally Posted by BigBull17

Mallet has by far the most upside of any of the QB's, IMO. He is big with a pretty big arm. He also has some of the drug baggage, which is dangerous. The thing I would worry about with Newton is that if things go good, he'll be fine. Its when he gets exposed and has to evolve. That's when he'll go crazy and have melt downs. VY was more mature than Cam and that's when he when bonkers and ruined his career.

People including Herm Edwards have pointed to Newton's ability to play through the scandal largely unphased as evidence that Newton's mental toughness is FAR greater than Young's.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

People including Herm Edwards have pointed to Newton's ability to play through the scandal largely unphased as evidence that Newton's mental toughness is FAR greater than Young's.

I don't think that proves anything. He was just going out and using his athletic play making abilities to dominate in college still the same way that VY was. Plus, he's a year older than VY was as well. In the pros it just isn't that simple. You can't just go out there every Sunday and dominate on athleticism like you can in college and there is so much more studying and preparation involved. You've got a ton of older men expecting you to lead them. You've got the media that's in full force and Cam will be expected to run a real offense where his WR's will have a ton of different routes and the coverages and defensive schemes will have to be studied a lot more. We've seen time and time again that these athletic dual type QB's from college that have a ton of success fail a lot more times than they succeed and even the ones that succeed seem to have a lot of inconsistencies where they're real hot and real cold at times. Michael Vick and VY both have been huge examples of that. Mcnabb was early on in his career as well, but he developed into a very good passer eventually and became very consistent.

[gary]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I don't think that proves anything. He was just going out and using his athletic play making abilities to dominate in college still the same way that VY was. Plus, he's a year older than VY was as well. In the pros it just isn't that simple. You can't just go out there every Sunday and dominate on athleticism like you can in college and there is so much more studying and preparation involved. You've got a ton of older men expecting you to lead them. You've got the media that's in full force and Cam will be expected to run a real offense where his WR's will have a ton of different routes and the coverages and defensive schemes will have to be studied a lot more. We've seen time and time again that these athletic dual type QB's from college that have a ton of success fail a lot more times than they succeed and even the ones that succeed seem to have a lot of inconsistencies where they're real hot and real cold at times. Michael Vick and VY both have been huge examples of that. Mcnabb was early on in his career as well, but he developed into a very good passer eventually and became very consistent.

I don't think that Michael Vick will be as great next season because teams were already starting to figure him out just like last time towards the end of last season.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by gary

I don't think that Michael Vick will be as great next season because teams were already starting to figure him out just like last time towards the end of last season.

I agree with you. However, Vick does seem very motivated and a lot more committed now since he wasted a few years and realizes that he never worked hard enough when he was younger. Plus, Vick in my opinion has the best receiving core in the league now to work with along with a very good RB. Vick has some awsome weapons at his disposal to where even average QB's could put up some pretty good numbers with.

[gary]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I agree with you. However, Vick does seem very motivated and a lot more committed now since he wasted a few years and realizes that he never worked hard enough when he was younger. Plus, Vick in my opinion has the best receiving core in the league now to work with along with a very good RB. Vick has some awsome weapons at his disposal to where even average QB's could put up some pretty good numbers with.

You are right but I still see Michael being knocked around a bit more next season than he was last season.

[drs23]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Ive had the same thoughts for awhile. The spot with Gruden just enforces it. Cam got by on his athleticism. He doesn't even know play terminology. 36 is a play? Give me a break. Cam doesn't have the capacity to learn what every player is doing on every play and Gus Malzahn is forced to dumb it down.

I think Gabbert and Mallet did a great job. I feel like the Fins will draft him. Gabbert should go top 5 and someone will reach for Cam top 5.

But hey, at least Cam was the best dressed. On Dez Bryantesqe pre-draft credit I am sure.

To the bolded, I think that was really over simplified. The 'real' play is: 36 hut hut.

I know I was wrong for that.

[Texan4Ever]

Cam Newton has the physical tools but ran a simple offense that Vince Young could figure out. His main problem will be learning the plays and calling them as Jon Gruden talked to him about in the NFL its not just "36" but "36 Flex Right, Texas waggle, blah blah blah" and Newton admitted that he doesn't have experience in that.

Ryan Mallet has a strong arm is probably the more accurate QB, its when he is forced to scramble which causes problems so a team with a poor offensive line would be a bad fit for him.

Blaine Gabbert may be smart but he has a slow release from some of the hihglights I've seen and will end up evading defenders in the wrong directions rather than look for holes and go through them.

[Playoffs]

Originally Posted by asleep

I found it most disturbing how he froze up -- cognitive/decision-making problems?...For a first pick & "$50 million" that would give me pause.

Originally Posted by 76Texan

...It is totally illogical to think that he doesn't have a brain between his ears when he was able to perform all those tasks at a very high level...

In Chucky’s episode with Newton, Chucky asked Newton to call a play in a huddle using some of the most complex verbiage used at Auburn.

Newton couldn’t do it, replying after thinking for a period of time, “You’re putting me on the spot.”

Few are aware that one of the people not shown in the video who was in that very room at the time of the taping, lurking in the background, was Hovan[Chris Hovan, ex Tampa defensive tackle].

Hovan described his impression of Newton from Chucky’s session.

J.P. Peterson: You were there with Gruden when he did his chalktalk, kind of in the background…

Chris Hovan: Right.

J.P.: … you said the other day that you were just not impressed with Cam’s intelligence and that he wasn’t very quick-witted which I am guessing has to be an absolute necessity for a quarterback in the NFL.

Hovan: It is. I mean, if you look at all the top flight quarterbacks, the Peyton Mannings and Tom Brady, they are so systematic when they play football. They know how to read coverages. The first and second audible or the third audible, where to go when the defense presents looks to them. And I don’t feel in a pressure situation that Cam can make those checks right now. If he was under Jon Gruden, if Jon Gruden was his head coach, he would definitely red shirt. If you are going to put him out there — first of all, Carolina’s offensive line, they pretty much only have Jordan Gross right now. He’s a left tackle and was drafted in the first round. If you put him in there with a suspect offensive line you are going to get the kid killed. Yeah, he can run…

J.P.: And he will be running.

Hovan: … but you can only run for so long. They are going to hunt this kid down. I don’t feel he is ready for the NFL level yet. Does he have the intangibles? Athletically, yes he does. But this is just a complex game when you go to the NFL level, especially at the quarterback position. You have to be ready to make those checks at the line of scrimmage. I don’t feel like he is ready for that yet.

J.P.: Now what kind of sense do you get from him as a leader? You have been in many, many locker rooms. You have played with many quarterbacks. You can name them. Some good ones and some bad ones. Did he have that quarterback intangible that you have to have where guys are going to run through the wall for you, they feel like you are the man and you will take us to the promised land. Did he have that charisma?

Hovan: No, I don’t really — he has charisma. J.P. The only thing I have a problem with was when he called himself an icon. You are not really iconic yet my man. Yes, you played one year at Auburn and won a national championship but you played one year. It’s enough to raise his draft stock but at the same time that does not make you ready for the NFL. You are not iconic yet. Peyton Manning is iconic, Tom Brady is iconic. Why? Because Tom Brady won three Super Bowls. Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl but he has always been in the hunt. For him to put himself out there and say that he is something that he is not, I do have a problem with that and he’s’ going to have a problem with that when he walks into a locker room. He’s going to have to go in there and earn the respect of his team. I just don’t think you need to be saying words before you produce.

Joe wishes Hovan would have given some other examples, but it was interesting to hear from someone in the same room as Newton and Gruden when this session was taped that sort of reinforced what others thought when Newton couldn’t answer a simply question from Chucky – didn’t even try to answer.

read more: http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=46970

[BigBull17]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I agree with you. However, Vick does seem very motivated and a lot more committed now since he wasted a few years and realizes that he never worked hard enough when he was younger. Plus, Vick in my opinion has the best receiving core in the league now to work with along with a very good RB. Vick has some awsome weapons at his disposal to where even average QB's could put up some pretty good numbers with.

Yeah, he showed a commitment to the cerebral side. Let's see if he can do it

[BigBull17]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

People including Herm Edwards have pointed to Newton's ability to play through the scandal largely unphased as evidence that Newton's mental toughness is FAR greater than Young's.

NFL football is a different animal than college. I just don't see him being able to accept coaching and to be adaptive in his game when teams figure him out.

[kiwitexansfan]

Originally Posted by BigBull17

NFL football is a different animal than college. I just don't see him being able to accept coaching and to be adaptive in his game when teams figure him out.

That is something much different to VY mentally breaking down.

[b0ng]

Great article on how simple Malzahns offense was at Auburn in 2010.