Cam Newton

[Texecutioner]

Does anyone think this guy is going to be really good on the next level?

I sure as hell don't. This guy already had problems and character issues coming into college and he's not a QB that's not going to need a lot of grooming. That's always a risk there. Then you add this guy's attitude and his ego and I can't believe that teams are even thinking of taking him in the first round. This guy is already talking in 3rd person for god sakes. All the athletes that do that always seem to be the head cases. I wouldn't touch Cam Newton until like the 3rd round if that.

[El Tejano]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Does anyone think this guy is going to be really good on the next level?

I sure as hell don't. This guy already had problems and character issues coming into college and he's not a QB that's not going to need a lot of grooming. That's always a risk there. Then you add this guy's attitude and his ego and I can't believe that teams are even thinking of taking him in the first round. This guy is already talking in 3rd person for god sakes. All the athletes that do that always seem to be the head cases. I wouldn't touch Cam Newton until like the 3rd round if that.

I saw a QB who left Florida, went to Blinn Jr College, get his way back into an Auburn program and get that Natl Championship. Everytime I've seen him I've only see him embracing the people and he looks pretty accurate to me.

[Kulluminatii]

I seriously doubt he'll end up like JaMarcus Russell, but unless he's put into an ideal situation where he can sit behind a vet for a few years, he'll at best be a VY 2.0. I have a feeling some team will take him in the first, maybe not one in the top 10, but some team out there will think they can model him into the next Vick.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by El Tejano

I saw a QB who left Florida, went to Blinn Jr College, get his way back into an Auburn program and get that Natl Championship. Everytime I've seen him I've only see him embracing the people and he looks pretty accurate to me.

He's not an accurate thrower at all when in comparison with other QB's that enter the league as top talent. He has no zip on his passes either. His attitude will cause problems for him. You'll see. Guys with egos like that who also have poor parenting and bad advice usually end up causing problems fir themselves. He'll be hard to coach and he's more of raw talent than he is a QB. QB's like him can be successful all day long in college, but the NFL is a much different game.

[kiwitexansfan]

Question: How is Cam Newton a worse QB than Vince Young or Tim Tebow?

[bah007]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Question: How is Cam Newton a worse QB than Vince Young or Tim Tebow?

He's not, imo. But then again, what have those guys ever done in the pros?

[JB]

Originally Posted by bah007

He's not, imo. But then again, what have those guys ever done in the pros?

Beat the Texans

[kiwitexansfan]

Vince made Pro Bowls, his team won games..... if that is Cam Newton's floor, that is pretty good.

[Spled]

I think he might develop into a Donovan McNabb type. Good, but turnover prone.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Spled

I think he might develop into a Donovan McNabb type. Good, but turnover prone.

I can see the Donovan McNabb comparison!! Really good, but at the end of the day, won't deliver... That said, I think he'll be fairly productive... Not Jamarcus Russell.

[kiwitexansfan]

Originally Posted by Spled

I think he might develop into a Donovan McNabb type. Good, but turnover prone.

Wouldn't you take a Donovan McNabb career over 95% of the QBs in the league?

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Wouldn't you take a Donovan McNabb career over 95% of the QBs in the league?

Ummmmmmm, NO!!!!

[kiwitexansfan]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Ummmmmmm, NO!!!!

McNabb led the Eagles to four consecutive NFC East division championships (2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004), five NFC Championship Games (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2008), and one Super Bowl (Super Bowl XXXIX, in which the Eagles were defeated by the New England Patriots). Perhaps his most memorable play has become known as "4th and 26", which took place against the Green Bay Packers in the final minutes of a 2003 NFC Divisional playoff game.
He is the Eagles' all-time leader in career wins, pass attempts, pass completions, passing yards, and passing touchdowns.[1]

If Schaub ends up with this kind of record I'd be a happy fan.

[Playoffs]

Originally Posted by JB

Beat the Texans

Hate to be the answer to that question.

[76Texan]

If this guy fails, it will be something like off-the-field issue or injury.
Best QB prospect (besides Sam Bradford) I've seen since the day of VY.

If you go through the qualification list that Sid Gilman, John Madden, and Bill Walsh had for QB, Newton met all the criteria.

It's Gabbert who was in the spread offense.

Newton was under center about 3-4 times a game (not counting the Championship game.)
It wasn't much, but I've seen him carry out those snaps flawlesly.
From handing the ball off to the RB in the I-formation, fake a hand off then give the ball to a receiver on a reverse, bootleg a la Schaub, play action fake, drop back pass... everything that a QB in a pro system sees.

Even when he was in the shotgun, he would take a 3-step drop from time to time. Also, the Tigers used 2 backs in their shotgun quite often, including the offset I.
(I did say I wouldn't mind Gus Malzan at all when the Cougars was looking for a HC. This guy is pretty crazily innovative.)

So in term of who needs more time to get use to the pro set, I say it would be Gabbert.

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Does anyone think this guy is going to be really good on the next level?

I sure as hell don't. This guy already had problems and character issues coming into college and he's not a QB that's not going to need a lot of grooming. That's always a risk there. Then you add this guy's attitude and his ego and I can't believe that teams are even thinking of taking him in the first round. This guy is already talking in 3rd person for god sakes. All the athletes that do that always seem to be the head cases. I wouldn't touch Cam Newton until like the 3rd round if that.

He really has to evolve in the passing game by leaps and bounds in order to become a viable long time starting QB. I honestly don't think him doing what he did in college is going to work for more than a few games or so if it works at all. It'll be interesting to see where he goes (I don't believe Carolina is going to pick him #1 overall, that just seems so stupid), and whether he's thrown in early or not. The character concerns are a little bit more trivial to me than what I see of him on game tape. I'm not saying he has no shot whatsoever, but I think he's going to have to put a lot of work into it. If he's up for that then he could be good, but I don't think he's going to have a big impact his rookie year.

E: I do think he has better throwing mechanics and a better motion than VY or Tebow had coming out of college, so he has that going for him. I think he's going to be plagued by accuracy issues like he showed at the combine.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by b0ng

He really has to evolve in the passing game by leaps and bounds in order to become a viable long time starting QB. I honestly don't think him doing what he did in college is going to work for more than a few games or so if it works at all. It'll be interesting to see where he goes (I don't believe Carolina is going to pick him #1 overall, that just seems so stupid), and whether he's thrown in early or not. The character concerns are a little bit more trivial to me than what I see of him on game tape. I'm not saying he has no shot whatsoever, but I think he's going to have to put a lot of work into it. If he's up for that then he could be good, but I don't think he's going to have a big impact his rookie year.

E: I do think he has better throwing mechanics and a better motion than VY or Tebow had coming out of college, so he has that going for him. I think he's going to be plagued by accuracy issues like he showed at the combine.

If he's going to evolve in the passing game by leaps and bounds, he will be the best QB ever to play the game!

[IDEXAN]

So how did his Pro-Day go in Auburn yesterday ?

[BigBull17]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Vince made Pro Bowls, his team won games..... if that is Cam Newton's floor, that is pretty good.

Originally Posted by Spled

I think he might develop into a Donovan McNabb type. Good, but turnover prone.

Except his ego and sense of entitlement will hinder his development. VY is a head case and he wasn't like Cam is now.

[El Tejano]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Question: How is Cam Newton a worse QB than Vince Young or Tim Tebow?

He's not. He's got better skills and can read a defense better.