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Old 04-13-2005   #1
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Default Luis Castillo confesses to steroid use

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ory?id=2036420

Says he only used in this off-season, tested positive at the combine, apparently. Was considered an early-2nd round prospect. Was a good prospect for a 3-4 NT.

Looks like Mike Patterson's stock just went way up ...
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incredible moron. I wouldn't touch this guy now. I don't buy his lame story about using roids to get over an elbow injury. If he is dumb enough to use roids before his JOB INTERVIEW...where he knows he will be drug screened...well, it speaks for itself.
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Steal him in the 5th round and put him on the Texans' weight program. People/kids make mistakes pushing for a dream--capitalize on others getting all judgmental about it. And yes, it was a stupid thing to do.
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Yeah, this really hurts him. I was really high on him entering the off-season, but now I'm REAL glad we resigned Seth Payne. Antaj Hawthorne tested positive for marijuana, so both the early round NT prospects are questionable at best now.
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I've done them myself so I'm not getting "all judgemental" on him. He would have to be a total fool to use roids before the combine.
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The point is, he wouldn't be a 1st-2nd rounder if not for his steroid use.

I watch a LOT of big 10 football and never saw this guy do anything.
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I've done them myself so I'm not getting "all judgemental" on him. He would have to be a total fool to use roids before the combine.
We were posting at the same time so I was refering to teams letting him slip significantly in the draft not you. I agree he was a fool, BUT IMO there is a big difference between a long term user who overachieved in college because of steroids versus a guy who was stupid/moronic/whatever by trying to bump his performance for the combine. One guy will be an almost certain bust in the NFL when he can't use steroids consistantly, the other guy is an ***** who just got his fingers burned thinking he could fool the system, but is still a good football player. I just am not all down on a guy IF it is a one time problem. Seems to me a 5th round pick on a guy with a 2nd round grade is enough of a lesson to take a risk on. Frankly, I would rather take the risk on the one time steroid user than the pot-smoker who can't get himself off the pipe long enough for his job interview.
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Although I dont like to judge, this guy is stupid for doing it when he knew he would be tested. However having said that does'nt everyone deserve a second chance?. He could still end up being not only a very good player but also a very good person and teammate. One mistake that is easy to make while in the pursuit of a life long dream should not condem him forever.
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He wasn't that good at northwestern though.

I just don't believe that if he's gonna use them before the most important event in his life (the combine) the he wouldn't think to use them during the season.
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He didn't pass his drug screen and got busted. My guess is that he didn't just start taking them right before the combine since there is a bit of a time-lapse period for most anabolic agents to eventually clear your system. I would bet he used them earlier and miscalculated the time the artificial hormone would park in his system.
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Vinny you sound like you know a bit about them so what you said there makes perfect sense to me. Knowing what he did would you(anyone out there) draft him in a later round if he was still there? or would you take someone with only on the feild risks.
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This is huge. I wonder how far he will drop. Round 3? Round 5? I miss the days of people playing on a level playing field. Talent and Skill isnt everything anymore...
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Vinny you sound like you know a bit about them so what you said there makes perfect sense to me. Knowing what he did would you(anyone out there) draft him in a later round if he was still there? or would you take someone with only on the feild risks.
I don't know, and I very well may be wrong. I'd have to be closer to him and would have to see him personally to judge this kind of thing. Roid users have their own little underground society and most users are chronic users. They keep this stuff hidden from most of the non-users, so generally most non-users won't just experiment with something like this on a whim, or in order to get ready for something like the combine.

Bottom line is...huge red flag.
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I dont know if people were ever (last 20 years) playing on a level playing feild it's just that they did'nt get caught( with no testing and such). I mean just look at what Haslett said about himself and the steelers.
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I dont know if people were ever (last 20 years) playing on a level playing feild it's just that they did'nt get caught( with no testing and such). I mean just look at what Haslett said about himself and the steelers.
Roids were all over the NFL back then. I had a Rx for them myself when I was a competitive powerlifter. Most guys use hgh and insulin now since roids are hard to mask and the league doesn't check for hgh (expensive to get the real stuff so College guys would have a much harder time using).
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Even in a mock draft I feel robbed . I feel like I'm not getting the player I read about . I traded up for him also . OK heres the question , would you take a pot smoker before the roid abuser ? I believe the pot smoker still has all his tools as opposed to the roid user who may not be as advertised .

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Even in a mock draft I feel robbed . I feel like I'm not getting the player I read about . I traded up for him also . OK heres the question , would you take a pot smoker before the roid abuser ? I believe the pot smoker still has all his tools as opposed to the roid user who may not be as advertised .

Smoking marijuana is less dangerous in general and less destructive to the body than the average alcoholic beverage ..... its just not legal
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Smoking marijuana is less dangerous in general and less destructive to the body than the average alcoholic beverage ..... its just not legal
thus making it a problem when drafting a guy.

That being said, I take the pot smoker. His performance surely wasn't helped by his substance abuse.
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Even in a mock draft I feel robbed . I feel like I'm not getting the player I read about . I traded up for him also . OK heres the question , would you take a pot smoker before the roid abuser ? I believe the pot smoker still has all his tools as opposed to the roid user who may not be as advertised .
If I had my druthers, I'd take neither, but if I had to choose, I'd take the pot smoking hippy...
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Athletes are exposed to everything so they make choices every day. Users of either tend to run in small groups and sub-cultures tend to evolve within each team. That is the biggest problem with taking any known user of any illegal substance. I think most teams assume that they have small sub-groups of players doing various things, but they can't do much about private people doing private things they aren't aware of. They just don't want to help along these groups if possible by avoiding all known users of either substance (or any for that matter).
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