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Old 03-03-2011   #21
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Why they didnt sign OJ Atogwe is another example of the texans doing business as usual.
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Why they didnt sign OJ Atogwe is another example of the texans doing business as usual.
Maybe Atogwe didn't want to come here?
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Maybe Atogwe didn't want to come here?
Maybe if the texans would show some real desire to upgrade the secondary vs going with what we got or the draft, they can land some of these guys cut loose. As soon as sanders and oj were released, the texans should have at least brought them
in and kicked the tires. Sanders and rogers on a 1 yr deal or atogwe for the 5 yr deal would have solidfied the texans secondary. Stroud as a 5 technique would have been better than antonio smith at that same position,but of course, its the texans.
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Maybe if the texans would show some real desire to upgrade the secondary vs going with what we got or the draft, they can land some of these guys cut loose. As soon as sanders and oj were released, the texans should have at least brought them
in and kicked the tires. Sanders and rogers on a 1 yr deal or atogwe for the 5 yr deal would have solidfied the texans secondary. Stroud as a 5 technique would have been better than antonio smith at that same position,but of course, its the texans.
So you want a guy who has played 3 games in 3 years to be your safety? Might as well kept Wilson. As for Rodgers, he is a quitter, was quitting on Rob Ryan in Cleveland and they ran a 3-4...

these players were released for a reason, just like Pollard was released for a reason and the Texans found out why this past season, 8 red zone TDs given up...

these players are not the answer to an already atrocious defense...
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Maybe if the texans would show some real desire to upgrade the secondary vs going with what we got or the draft, they can land some of these guys cut loose. As soon as sanders and oj were released, the texans should have at least brought them
in and kicked the tires. Sanders and rogers on a 1 yr deal or atogwe for the 5 yr deal would have solidfied the texans secondary. Stroud as a 5 technique would have been better than antonio smith at that same position,but of course, its the texans.
So basically you think the Texans should bring in every cat that gets cut?
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Maybe if the texans would show some real desire to upgrade the secondary vs going with what we got or the draft, they can land some of these guys cut loose. As soon as sanders and oj were released, the texans should have at least brought them
in and kicked the tires. Sanders and rogers on a 1 yr deal or atogwe for the 5 yr deal would have solidfied the texans secondary. Stroud as a 5 technique would have been better than antonio smith at that same position,but of course, its the texans.
Again, how do you know that they didn't contact the agents? Maybe they were told that there is no interest in playing for the Texans by these guys who have lots of teams to choose from?
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I'd give Troy Nolan a shot at SS but he's most likely a backup at best. I'd give Barber his walking papers.

Remember the 2009 preseason when Kubiak told us that Barber was ready to be the starting SS, I said then that he was terrible and shouldn't be an NFL player. The Texans then picked up Bernard Pollard off the street 4 weeks into the season because Barber was terrible and yet Barber is still cashing an NFL paycheck 2 yrs. later after being replaced by a street level FA. This just shows that Kubiaks defensive talent evaluations skills suck.
Barber also contributed alot to ST too though. He surely isn't a starting safety, but he's likely still cashing an NFL paycheck b/c of ST so...
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Stroud as a 5 technique would have been better than antonio smith at that same position,but of course, its the texans.
Yeah since the Texans didn't do it, it must be a bad decision. Smith was a far better player last year than Stroud.
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Yeah since the Texans didn't do it, it must be a bad decision. Smith was a far better player last year than Stroud.
Not to mention Stroud was cut specifically because he didn't fit Buffalo's 3-4.
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As time's gone on, things have gotten so confusing to me as to what type of personel this D is going to really require. I read reports that say that we are going to a 3-4. Then I read that we will be a "hybrid" 3-4. And then I read our 3-4 will be closer to a 4-3. If the FO is as confused as I am now, our draft and FA could look real strange.
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As time's gone on, things have gotten so confusing to me as to what type of personel this D is going to really require. I read reports that say that we are going to a 3-4. Then I read that we will be a "hybrid" 3-4. And then I read our 3-4 will be closer to a 4-3. If the FO is as confused as I am now, our draft and FA could look real strange.
There are different flavors of 3-4 with slightly different assignments and different approaches to doing things.

And I think it gets more complicated with Wade in the mix because I think what he does is he tries to get the best players he can and then he modifies his defense to take advantage of what they do best. If he's got a small NT, he uses that guy's strengths and asks him to do different things than when he has a big NT.

I think Wade thinks he can make a defense work with whatever he's given just like Kubiak thinks he can make an offense work with whatever he's given. So during the draft, I expect them to go more BPA than we've ever gone before because Wade sees each player as possible options to his defense rather than "I've got to have THIS guy and only THIS guy."

Or... I could be wrong.
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As time's gone on, things have gotten so confusing to me as to what type of personel this D is going to really require. I read reports that say that we are going to a 3-4. Then I read that we will be a "hybrid" 3-4. And then I read our 3-4 will be closer to a 4-3. If the FO is as confused as I am now, our draft and FA could look real strange.
Yeah, but just imagine how difficult it will be for our opponents to game plan for!
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... I expect them to go more BPA than we've ever gone before because Wade sees each player as possible options to his defense rather than "I've got to have THIS guy and only THIS guy."

Or... I could be wrong.
Other than Diles & Pollard you mean.


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Other than Diles & Pollard you mean.


He saw them as options that he could easily and signficantly upgrade via FA or the draft.
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There are different flavors of 3-4 with slightly different assignments and different approaches to doing things.

And I think it gets more complicated with Wade in the mix because I think what he does is he tries to get the best players he can and then he modifies his defense to take advantage of what they do best. If he's got a small NT, he uses that guy's strengths and asks him to do different things than when he has a big NT.

I think Wade thinks he can make a defense work with whatever he's given just like Kubiak thinks he can make an offense work with whatever he's given. So during the draft, I expect them to go more BPA than we've ever gone before because Wade sees each player as possible options to his defense rather than "I've got to have THIS guy and only THIS guy."

Or... I could be wrong.
I think you are spot on.
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There are different flavors of 3-4 with slightly different assignments and different approaches to doing things.

And I think it gets more complicated with Wade in the mix because I think what he does is he tries to get the best players he can and then he modifies his defense to take advantage of what they do best. If he's got a small NT, he uses that guy's strengths and asks him to do different things than when he has a big NT.

I think Wade thinks he can make a defense work with whatever he's given just like Kubiak thinks he can make an offense work with whatever he's given. So during the draft, I expect them to go more BPA than we've ever gone before because Wade sees each player as possible options to his defense rather than "I've got to have THIS guy and only THIS guy."

Or... I could be wrong.
Good post, PN. I think that was a huge issue with Bush. He had an idea of having success of his scheme on paper, but his players didn't fit what he was wanting to do. I've said this a 100 times, but putting the players in the best position to succeed will make or break a coach.

Historically, Wade has had a huge impact on defenses in his 1st year with them and I can only assume ours will do the same. However, it ain't going to take much to make 2010's defense better.
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There are different flavors of 3-4 with slightly different assignments and different approaches to doing things.

And I think it gets more complicated with Wade in the mix because I think what he does is he tries to get the best players he can and then he modifies his defense to take advantage of what they do best. If he's got a small NT, he uses that guy's strengths and asks him to do different things than when he has a big NT.

I think Wade thinks he can make a defense work with whatever he's given just like Kubiak thinks he can make an offense work with whatever he's given. So during the draft, I expect them to go more BPA than we've ever gone before because Wade sees each player as possible options to his defense rather than "I've got to have THIS guy and only THIS guy."

Or... I could be wrong.
Rep coming your way! BPA was going to be my guess with all the "nonspecifities." Get the best that's available out there.......then use some damn good glue. This approach will only work successfully, though, if it is not only applied to the Draft, but also to FA. The latter is where I'm most skeptical since it involves "bidding."
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Rep coming your way! BPA was going to be my guess with all the "nonspecifities." Get the best that's available out there.......then use some damn good glue. This approach will only work successfully, though, if it is not only applied to the Draft, but also to FA. The latter is where I'm most skeptical since it involves "bidding."
so by his logic if Julio Jones is on the board #11 Texans take him because he is BPA?
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so by his logic if Julio Jones is on the board #11 Texans take him because he is BPA?
I wouldn't necessarily be disappointed with that pick. But I have the feeling that BPA for the Texans will mean defensive BPA.
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I wouldn't necessarily be disappointed with that pick. But I have the feeling that BPA for the Texans will mean defensive BPA.
then its not truly BPA
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