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Old 03-03-2011   #21
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Sorry AT, but you've got it all wrong. Wade told Pollard that he would be playing NT in his new system this year. Wade didn't appreciate it when Pollard told him to FO.
Well given our Front Office, I'd take that as insult too.

Wade probably told him "Oooh whatcha gonna do, piss down your leg? Woooohhh!!!"
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Since Wade and the Texans seem to be pushing Bernard Pollard out the door and since there are rumors of moving Glover Quin to FS, does this now mean that SS is a 2nd round pick instead of FS like alot of our mocks have. Deandre McDaniels in the 2nd round maybe?
I think it depends on what kind of DB is available in the 1st. I just have a feeling.
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Since Wade and the Texans seem to be pushing Bernard Pollard out the door and since there are rumors of moving Glover Quin to FS, does this now mean that SS is a 2nd round pick instead of FS like alot of our mocks have. Deandre McDaniels in the 2nd round maybe?
McDaniels has played back and forth from LB to FS in college, although he is projected to be more effective as a SS in the NFL. Some still believe he has the skills to take the FS position. He definitely could offer some versatility and options to the D. He is also considered an active STs player.

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2010: First-Team All-ACC... has a team-high 73 tackles, 5.5 tackles for loss, a team-high four interceptions, and six pass breakups...a big reason Clemson is in the top 10 in the nation in scoring defense and is the only ACC team in the top four in the ACC in rushing defense and passing defense...had a team-high 11 tackles against North Texas...2009: Had eight interceptions and 102 tackles in 2009. The interception total was tied for third in the nation and he was the only player in college football last year with at least eight interceptions and at least 100 tackles. He was the first player in Clemson history to do both in the same season...2008: Came on strong during the second half of the season; he had 51 of his 77 tackles in the last seven games, including a team-high 11 tackles against South Carolina..had 10 special teams tackles, tied for second-most on the team...
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Post-Combine Skinny: The 35” vertical was the high point. He ran well, was quick and fluid through the drills, and he measured big. The 4.65 40 was just good enough to get by, and it solidified him as a strong safety and not a free safety. Now he has to prove he can tackle better.

Positives: Excellent size and uses it well. He’s like another linebacker but doesn’t move like it. … Gets moving in a hurry. Cuts well and is good at planting and going. … A strong, willing tackler who isn’t afraid to get his nose dirty. Not a finesse player, but he can run like one.

Negatives: Not the most secure tackler. Bounces a bit at times. … Not the best of coverage defenders. Made a slew of plays in college that he won’t make in the pros. … Gets blocked way too easily. Gets buried.
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So say someone were to sign OD, would we get that first rounder this year or next?
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So say someone were to sign OD, would we get that first rounder this year or next?
It depends. We could accept any offer. 1st this year or next or 2 years from now. Obviously the value drops on those picks the further into the future you go. Generally most teams value a future 1st rounder as a second rounder. So the long answer is this year. Also that would depend on if there is a lock out and trades for players could be made on or before the draft.
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They're all pretty inconsequential assuming we go back to the 4 year model. It is interesting that they tendered Leinart, though. I was under the impression that they were prepared to let him walk.
Actually it is consequential. If any player we have tendered right now get offered by another team and we dont match we still get the compensation of the tender. That's why all the teams are doing it. The tender is still going to be valid under the new CBA.

Thats from the article in the other thread about expiring contracts
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It's consequential to me. It means the organization is paying attention and not being neglectful. It also says quite a bit about its opinion of those players and what they are likely to target during the draft/free agency... For instance, Quin at safety is looking even more likely.
I don't think consequence means what you think it means.
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Actually it is consequential. If any player we have tendered right now get offered by another team and we dont match we still get the compensation of the tender. That's why all the teams are doing it. The tender is still going to be valid under the new CBA.

Thats from the article in the other thread about expiring contracts
That's interesting. So, you're saying even under a new CBA, where we revert back to the 4 year model, players in their 5th and 6th years are stuck with these crappy tendered salaries? Tough to believe the players would be OK with that.

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The Texans extended restricted free agent tenders to six players yesterday but if free agent rules return to the way they were in 2009 when the new CBA is signed as everyone expects, five of those six RFA tenders mean nothing.

Well actually they do mean something - for a while.

It means that Owen Daniels, Matt Leinart, Mark Anderson, Jacoby Jones and Rashad Butler are now restricted free agents under the current rules - that is until the new CBA is signed.

It means those five players won't become unrestricted free agents at midnight tonight like Bernard Pollard, Zac Diles, Tim Bulman and Kasey Studdard who were eligible for RFA tenders under the current rules but were not offered tenders.

It also means that Daniels, Leinart, Anderson, Jones and Butler will become unrestricted free agents the minute the new CBA is signed - provided unrestricted free agency returns to 4 years accrued service.
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Think he had a year of Roy Willliams (okla) as really the physical can't cover anybody safety. Not that once he left, Dallas figured out that position, but I don't think Wade likes the in-the-box primarily guy.
I get that and I don't think Pollard is the answer at SS but we don't have anybody better than him on the roster right now IMO. We have one guy who can tackle but can't cover and a bunch of guys who can't tackle or cover. Not sure why we didn't at least try to offer him a 1 year deal until we can find somebody to replace him.
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Really surprised with the first round tender for Lienart.

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Since Wade and the Texans seem to be pushing Bernard Pollard out the door and since there are rumors of moving Glover Quin to FS, does this now mean that SS is a 2nd round pick instead of FS like alot of our mocks have. Deandre McDaniels in the 2nd round maybe?
I don't know if this means they don't want Pollard. More along the lines they don't think too many other teams will. They may have a dollar figure they are willing to offer him, he can take it or leave it. I doubt they want to get into a bidding war for him.

I believe Pollard will be playing when we get back to playing football. Several teams he'll be able to start for........ unfortunately, the Texans is one of those teams.
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That's interesting. So, you're saying even under a new CBA, where we revert back to the 4 year model, players in their 5th and 6th years are stuck with these crappy tendered salaries? Tough to believe the players would be OK with that.

Do you have the link?

ETA: That's not the case according to AJ.
What it said in the article in the other thread( sorry Im being lazy) is that they are free to sign with any other team if it reverts back to the 4 year deal. However, the teams that tendered will still get compensation if they dont match the offer.

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All this stuff is confusing.

No wonder they're having problems in the NFL. It takes a lawyer to understand everything. LOL.
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Really surprised with the first round tender for Lienart.



I don't know if this means they don't want Pollard. More along the lines they don't think too many other teams will. They may have a dollar figure they are willing to offer him, he can take it or leave it. I doubt they want to get into a bidding war for him.

I believe Pollard will be playing when we get back to playing football. Several teams he'll be able to start for........ unfortunately, the Texans is one of those teams.

No...They don't want him:

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“They told me I don’t fit in Wade’s scheme,” Pollard said. “It’s just the nature of the business. I understand. I wasn’t in their plans, and it’s time to move on. And that’s fine.

“My family and I were blessed and grateful to have played two seasons here. Now it’s time for me to find another team.”

Diles, Studdard and Bulman also will be free to sign with other teams. Diles was third on the Texans with 81 tackles in 2010. Studdard was a starter in 2009. Bulman spent last season on injured reserve.
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Really surprised with the first round tender for Lienart.
He was drafted in the first round so that tender level is pretty much automatic, I think.

It's like you get compensation at the level the player was drafted unless you specifically tender him for more.

At least, that's my understanding.
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He was drafted in the first round so that tender level is pretty much automatic, I think.

It's like you get compensation at the level the player was drafted unless you specifically tender him for more.

At least, that's my understanding.
I wouldn't have thought they would tender him at all.

Does this mean they saw something they liked?

Or are they just trying to get something for nothing? Who is going to give us a 1st for Lienart? No one has seen him play in a year, & no one has seen him play well in 6 years.
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No tender on Diles.........


I think that is a signal as to who is making the decisions now.... at least as it refers to the defense.

Kubiak has praised Diles, even said he had the ability to make the pro-bowl as a WiLL. Wade obviously don't want him, so he's got to go.

That & Sharpton played every bit as well in limited time.
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What it said in the article in the other thread( sorry Im being lazy) is that they are free to sign with any other team if it reverts back to the 4 year deal. However, the teams that tendered will still get compensation if they dont match the offer.

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When the new CBA is signed, unrestricted free agency is expected to return to players with just four years of service time. That means a player like Pollard would have become unrestricted anyway. It also means players like Daniels, Leinart, Jones and Anderson will be unrestricted because they have at least four seasons in the league.
That applies to all players with more than four years of service. They will become unrestricted and, thus, their tenders are inconsequential.

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Whenever a new CBA is signed and free agency begins, free agents who are restricted and were tendered can sign offer sheets with other teams. If the Texans don’t match, they’ll receive compensation in the form of the tender (a first-round pick for a first-round tender, etc.).
When the new CBA is signed, presumably all players with 4 years of service or less (Briesel is the only one in our case) will bring compensation if tendered, then signed by another team.
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I wouldn't have thought they would tender him at all.

Does this mean they saw something they liked?

Or are they just trying to get something for nothing? Who is going to give us a 1st for Lienart? No one has seen him play in a year, & no one has seen him play well in 6 years.
How much money is involved at this level of tender for a vet with the time of service that Leinart, anybody knows?

That would be the vet min, wouldn't it?

..........

As much as I like Pollard's physical play, I was dissapointed with his regression in coverage much more.
Diles would have been good for depth. (They might resign him at the minimum level if he doesn't latch on with another team???)

Basically, some of the problems on defense are now gone:
Wilson, Pollard, Diles.

That's an automatic improvement in your pass defense right there.
Addition by subtraction,, I guess!
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I wouldn't have thought they would tender him at all.

Does this mean they saw something they liked?

Or are they just trying to get something for nothing? Who is going to give us a 1st for Lienart? No one has seen him play in a year, & no one has seen him play well in 6 years.
Even though he's tendered with a 1st that doesn't mean that we can't deal him to someone for less. This is actually a pretty shrewd deal. We can shop Leinart around and then trade him to whoever will give us the best deal. And if someone wants to go after him without talking to us, they still have to give us a 1st.

OTOH, this may just mean that Orlovsky is gone.
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