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Old 03-01-2011   #21
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Wow! **** it let's just field DE's and WR's next year. We'll have the number one unstoppable offense and we'll lead the league in sacks. We'll be awesome!
WTF am i missing something? What did anderson do wrong? He had 21 tackles and 4 sacks in limited time as a back up everyones acting like I pissed in your koolaid because I sugest keeping him and having a better #2WR we may lose Daniels (wants to much money and injury risk)and jones(hands of stone never has evolved to potential) but I guess our offense is so good we dont need to bring in no additional offense help at all. I know our defense sucked but you dont scrap your offense to fix the defense. Then next season everyone will be crying how our offense sucks.
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Gotta sign Leach and Daniels. I know we have other TEs, but you never get rid of Schaub's security blanket. The offense was never the same after OD's injury, and he only recently started getting in the swing of things.
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WTF am i missing something? What did anderson do wrong? He had 21 tackles and 4 sacks in limited time as a back up everyones acting like I pissed in your koolaid because I sugest keeping him and having a better #2WR we may lose Daniels (wants to much money and injury risk)and jones(hands of stone never has evolved to potential) but I guess our offense is so good we dont need to bring in no additional offense help at all. I know our defense sucked but you dont scrap your offense to fix the defense. Then next season everyone will be crying how our offense sucks.
Yes, you are. This wasn't about Anderson doing anything wrong, this was about Corrosion saying it's insane to just let go the most consistant man you have on the line. You seem to not grasp that Anderson is a DE, and as such should have more sacks than Cody, who is a DT. Sacks are not Cody's primary role on the line. He's not even in on passing downs that often, iirc. Part of a DT's job is to eat up as many blockers as possible to allow DE's a better chance to get by for the sack.

You can't just grade all linemen by sack totals. Well, you can, but it's ridiculous...
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You can't just grade all linemen by sack totals. Well, you can, but it's ridiculous...
What!? When I play Madden, I demand that each of may starting DL get at least 10 sacks, whether it is in the 3-4 or the 4-3. Anybody who fails gets the axe, no matter how good their "rating" is.

I just cant figure out why I keep losing...
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WTF am i missing something? What did anderson do wrong? He had 21 tackles and 4 sacks in limited time as a back up everyones acting like I pissed in your koolaid because I sugest keeping him and having a better #2WR we may lose Daniels (wants to much money and injury risk)and jones(hands of stone never has evolved to potential) but I guess our offense is so good we dont need to bring in no additional offense help at all. I know our defense sucked but you dont scrap your offense to fix the defense. Then next season everyone will be crying how our offense sucks.
Comparing Shaun Cody to Anderson and saying we should cut Cody and keep Anderson instead of Cody because Anderson got more sacks is like comparing Cody to Jacoby Jones and saying we should keep Jacoby Jones because Jacoby caught more passes. They are simply different positions.

Shaun Cody is probably the best DT/NT we have. You can't judge how well he's performed based on sacks. It's the wrong metric and that's not his job (although it would be nice to have a NT with 10 sacks). He's not highly paid and he should be pretty easy to re-sign. And once we have him, then we can bring in better NTs so that Cody is relegated to a backup role. And if the stars align and we come into a plethora of NTs somehow, then we can even cut him later because he's inexpensive.

Signing Shaun Cody has ZERO impact on whether we can sign other players.

If we don't sign him, then that forces us into a corner where we absolutely have to get multiple NTs.
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We need to throw all the money we can towards resigning Turk. Dude's a special talent...

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Every one is allowed thier opinion I think you guys are over valuing Cody as you guys think I am over valuing Anderson I know they are not playing the same position and thier jobs are different.
I think Anderson who brings sacks to a team that strugles to get sacks is more valuable to the defense then Codys space eater value. The Texans need a upgrade at NT because there is no 3-4 NT on roster I know Wade thinks he can convert Mitchell.The Texans can draft a space eater like Phil Taylor DT Baylor or sign a free agent.
As we all know in order to help the secondary the Texans have to put preasure on QBs. Do you really think the Texans are going to sign Asomugha? I don't think so to expensive.Texans have not even looked at players at needed positions that have been made availible. So far the Texans have made no moves at all to improve Def other than hiring new DC & staff is that really all that was needed to take a very bad def to respectability?
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I don't think Cody is a must sign type of player. I think he is a solid player that won't make you look bad, but he isn't going to make many big plays either...
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Yes, you are. This wasn't about Anderson doing anything wrong, this was about Corrosion saying it's insane to just let go the most consistant man you have on the line. You seem to not grasp that Anderson is a DE, and as such should have more sacks than Cody, who is a DT. Sacks are not Cody's primary role on the line. He's not even in on passing downs that often, iirc. Part of a DT's job is to eat up as many blockers as possible to allow DE's a better chance to get by for the sack.

You can't just grade all linemen by sack totals. Well, you can, but it's ridiculous...


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Comparing Shaun Cody to Anderson and saying we should cut Cody and keep Anderson instead of Cody because Anderson got more sacks is like comparing Cody to Jacoby Jones and saying we should keep Jacoby Jones because Jacoby caught more passes. They are simply different positions.

Shaun Cody is probably the best DT/NT we have. You can't judge how well he's performed based on sacks. It's the wrong metric and that's not his job (although it would be nice to have a NT with 10 sacks). He's not highly paid and he should be pretty easy to re-sign. And once we have him, then we can bring in better NTs so that Cody is relegated to a backup role. And if the stars align and we come into a plethora of NTs somehow, then we can even cut him later because he's inexpensive.

Signing Shaun Cody has ZERO impact on whether we can sign other players.

If we don't sign him, then that forces us into a corner where we absolutely have to get multiple NTs.

Good posts by both of ya ....


srrono I suggest you go back and watch some game film of Cody #1. He out performed every other DT we have on the roster over the course of the season. Superstud DT ? No .... Capable DT who wont cost much ? Absolutely.

#2 You need to understand the difference between a DE and DT's responsibilities in any defensive alignment.

Not resigning Cody puts you over a barrel forcing you to either sign or draft multiple players at the position. Signing him leaves your options open to improve in other ways.
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You need to understand the difference between a DE and DT's responsibilities in any defensive alignment.


I do know the difference between DE DT and I get your point, as a role player Cody is good I would like our 3-4 NT to be a PLAYMAKER or a strength of the Texans line not just serviceable. Cody for depth is cool but not for the answer at NT.
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Every one is allowed thier opinion I think you guys are over valuing Cody as you guys think I am over valuing Anderson I know they are not playing the same position and thier jobs are different.
I think Anderson who brings sacks to a team that strugles to get sacks is more valuable to the defense then Codys space eater value. The Texans need a upgrade at NT because there is no 3-4 NT on roster I know Wade thinks he can convert Mitchell.The Texans can draft a space eater like Phil Taylor DT Baylor or sign a free agent.
As we all know in order to help the secondary the Texans have to put preasure on QBs. Do you really think the Texans are going to sign Asomugha? I don't think so to expensive.Texans have not even looked at players at needed positions that have been made availible. So far the Texans have made no moves at all to improve Def other than hiring new DC & staff is that really all that was needed to take a very bad def to respectability?

You seem to think it is an either/or situation with Cody & Anderson. The signing of one should have no bearing on the other.
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Comparing Shaun Cody to Anderson and saying we should cut Cody and keep Anderson instead of Cody because Anderson got more sacks is like comparing Cody to Jacoby Jones and saying we should keep Jacoby Jones because Jacoby caught more passes. They are simply different positions.

Shaun Cody is probably the best DT/NT we have. You can't judge how well he's performed based on sacks. It's the wrong metric and that's not his job (although it would be nice to have a NT with 10 sacks). He's not highly paid and he should be pretty easy to re-sign. And once we have him, then we can bring in better NTs so that Cody is relegated to a backup role. And if the stars align and we come into a plethora of NTs somehow, then we can even cut him later because he's inexpensive.

Signing Shaun Cody has ZERO impact on whether we can sign other players.

If we don't sign him, then that forces us into a corner where we absolutely have to get multiple NTs.

And people are always banging on Okoye for the same things. Not getting sacks from the DT position.
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You need to understand the difference between a DE and DT's responsibilities in any defensive alignment.


I do know the difference between DE DT and I get your point, as a role player Cody is good I would like our 3-4 NT to be a PLAYMAKER or a strength of the Texans line not just serviceable. Cody for depth is cool but not for the answer at NT.
I think we all would like that. Thing is there are so many holes to fill in this defense that you cant really afford to let your most consistant DT walk.

Demeco ? Hows he gonna look after an injury that in many cases is the end of a career ? ILB is a huge questionmark right now.

Barwin - How healthy is he , will he have lost a step ? What do we have outside of Barwin at OLB ?

How much do the above injuries affect the psyche of those players going foward ?


We've got next to nothing at either safety position right now - Pollard hasnt resigned and is Nolan your FS ?

Are you satisfied with Quin and Jackson as your corners ? Im sure as hell not.


Not resigning Cody - even as a 2 down DT is pretty silly to me when you have so many other concerns at every level of the defense.

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And people are always banging on Okoye for the same things. Not getting sacks from the DT position.
Except Texans made Okoye a top 10 pick, passing on what have become the best CB & MLB in the NFL. Cody was a street free agent.
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And people are always banging on Okoye for the same things. Not getting sacks from the DT position.
I think 0k0y3 gets bashed more for not holding the point of attack than anything else. He quite often gets driven off the LOS.
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And people are always banging on Okoye for the same things. Not getting sacks from the DT position.
Different expectations.

Okoye gets banged because he's a top 10 pick who ISN'T our best DT and he should be. He was expected to be a penetrator who causes havoc on the other side of the ball and he rarely if ever does that. He was expected to collapse the pocket so that the QB couldn't step up to get away from Mario and he doesn't do that. At the end of the day, Okoye plays like just a guy and not like a top 10 pick.

Cody is expected to hold down the line and he does a decent job of that. He's not a top 10 talent and he doesn't play like it. He is just a guy but he's a lot better than some of the other guys we've tried in that spot.
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Different expectations.

Okoye gets banged because he's a top 10 pick who ISN'T our best DT and he should be. He was expected to be a penetrator who causes havoc on the other side of the ball and he rarely if ever does that. He was expected to collapse the pocket so that the QB couldn't step up to get away from Mario and he doesn't do that. At the end of the day, Okoye plays like just a guy and not like a top 10 pick.

Cody is expected to hold down the line and he does a decent job of that. He's not a top 10 talent and he doesn't play like it. He is just a guy but he's a lot better than some of the other guys we've tried in that spot.
This is true, but in the RS and FB defenses, Okoye was not asked to collapse the pocket, he was asked to play run first.
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This is true, but in the RS and FB defenses, Okoye was not asked to collapse the pocket, he was asked to play run first.
And frequently didn't have the strength to hold the point of attack.

It sounds like I'm bashing Okoye now and that's not really my intention. He has played well enough to be on the field when compared to the other guys we had. But he hasn't been spectacular and if you're chosen #10, you should be pretty damned good.

Our front four hasn't been able to get consistent pressure on the passer and at least part of the reason for that has to be Okoye.
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