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Old 02-27-2011   #21
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Let me be clear, I don't think Kubiak should still be the head coach of the Houston Texans.
But yet you're not phased by him remaining the head coach.

You're a walking paradox. "Let me be clear, he shouldn't be the head coach here. But I believe they can make a big jump in 2011."

It just always feels like you live in the gray when the NFL, out of all the pro sports leagues out there, is the biggest black & white environment going. In the NFL, you're either the big enchilada or you're not. You're either doing things right and it's paying off (naturally) or you're laying a big stinker no matter how hard you try not to. There is no quarter, no half-ass'ing it. All or nothing. You can see the Packers, and you saw real progress at work. Last year, they lost a heartbreaker in the playoffs. This year, they went all the way. Real progress, not the type of progress that gets propped up here.

And that's why I can't get behind Kubiak. I just can't. All I see is a coach who has too many holes in his game, and it trickles down to his players. The addition of Wade Phillips MIGHT stem the tide. MIGHT. But at this point, I think it's still an uphill battle.

A complete wipeout of the coaching staff, and the bringing in of a new HC with him choosing his new staff, would be the best thing. Because a new HC would be like the blind squirrel getting to check out the other side of the tree...instead of the Kubiak squirrel still feeling for acorns in the same area day after day. There's no acorns there, so stop wasting your time.
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Hope you're right.

Isn't this the same thing you said last yr?

It will probably be the same thing you say next yr.
No, last year I hadn't given up on Kubiak the game day coach.
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But yet you're not phased by him remaining the head coach.

You're a walking paradox. "Let me be clear, he shouldn't be the head coach here. But I believe they can make a big jump in 2011."

It just always feels like you live in the gray when the NFL, out of all the pro sports leagues out there, is the biggest black & white environment going. In the NFL, you're either the big enchilada or you're not. You're either doing things right and it's paying off (naturally) or you're laying a big stinker no matter how hard you try not to. There is no quarter, no half-ass'ing it. All or nothing. You can see the Packers, and you saw real progress at work. Last year, they lost a heartbreaker in the playoffs. This year, they went all the way. Real progress, not the type of progress that gets propped up here.

And that's why I can't get behind Kubiak. I just can't. All I see is a coach who has too many holes in his game, and it trickles down to his players. The addition of Wade Phillips MIGHT stem the tide. MIGHT. But at this point, I think it's still an uphill battle.

A complete wipeout of the coaching staff, and the bringing in of a new HC with him choosing his new staff, would be the best thing. Because a new HC would be like the blind squirrel getting to check out the other side of the tree...instead of the Kubiak squirrel still feeling for acorns in the same area day after day. There's no acorns there, so stop wasting your time.
I'm not T'Kyss, but...

I expected us to ditch Kubiak after last season. For exactly the reasons you state. He had enough time to get us into the playoffs and to get us deep into the playoffs and he hasn't done it. He's built an offense of Epic proportions and with the potential to be incredible. But he's a head coach and there's more to football than offense. Our defense has never been good enough and he hasn't learned from his lessons.

That doesn't mean that Smithiak hasn't finally learned its lesson and that getting Phillips won't solve the defensive problems that have plagued this team for so long. It might not work. It may be too little too late. Or it could be just what this team needs to turn the corner.

As a fan, I choose to look on the bright side. I'm going to be rooting for this team next year if there is a season so I'm hoping for the best. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If this team gets its defense worked out and keeps the offensive production high, this could be a Super Bowl team.

You point to the Packers as an example, and they're 2 years removed from a 6-10 record themselves. Hopefully, we get that kind of turnaround ourselves and I think it's more than possible. It's just not probable.
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But yet you're not phased by him remaining the head coach.

You're a walking paradox. "Let me be clear, he shouldn't be the head coach here. But I believe they can make a big jump in 2011."

It just always feels like you live in the gray when the NFL, out of all the pro sports leagues out there, is the biggest black & white environment going. .
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Just because I don't act like a bitchy little girl, doesn't mean I'm not phased.

I love this team, and I love the players, I still believe in them.

I don't have any faith or confidence in GK, if this team does make a run, I'll be as surprised as anyone.

Possible & probable, are two different words. & this NFL is anything but black & white. All year long, you guys have been talking about teams that make dramatic turnarounds form one year to the next, for everyone that followed a coaching change, there are a dozen that didn't.
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Let's see.

Suan Rogers is a FA... nary a look.
Atogwe is a FA.... no looksee.
Bob Sanders is a FA... nada

Inigo (in a heavy Spanish accent): You keepa use'n athat werd.... I do-nah think it meanz awhat you athink it meanz....
I wouldn't touch Bob Sanders. You can't depend on him one bit. Our guys sucked last year, but at least they could play.
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Just because I don't act like a bitchy little girl, doesn't mean I'm not phased.

I love this team, and I love the players, I still believe in them.

I don't have any faith or confidence in GK, if this team does make a run, I'll be as surprised as anyone.

Possible & probable, are two different words. & this NFL is anything but black & white. All year long, you guys have been talking about teams that make dramatic turnarounds form one year to the next, for everyone that followed a coaching change, there are a dozen that didn't.
Nobody says you have to be a bitchy little girl. That's you trying to deflect and attempting (snarkily) to paint certain people as bitchy little girls. Not winning any points, honestly.

I just can't gloss this team's problems over long enough to convince myself that they can make a big jump in 2011. At some point, faith has to be checked at the door of reality. That's why I don't understand the half-and-half statements. "He shouldn't be here, but I think we can make a big jump in 2011." Well, if you think he shouldn't be here...doesn't that somehow mean that we likely WON'T make a big jump in 2011? Which is it?

What can happen, TK, that makes Gary Kubiak reverse 5 years worth of trends? Everything from roster decisions, player acquisitions, weekday gameplanning/strategizing for Sunday's opponents, failures vs. AFC South teams, goofy playcalling at all the wrong moments, his choices and handling of defensive coordinators, an entire season's worth of blown games and failing to have his offense in gear until Quarter 4 of each game.

The list goes on. Outside of an improved defense, which is still a long shot by the way, what can Gary Kubiak do that's opposite from the past five years? Outside of a competent offense, what can Gary Kubiak do to actively create a better team here? I don't see it. I seriously don't. He's got his cool-under-fire attitude going on, and I guess that has some people enamored by the guy. He doesn't throw people under the bus, except for when Bob tells him either he'll fire somebody or HE gets the hook too. In war, it's one thing to hunker down and absorb enemy fire and be disciplined to wait your turn. But at some point, you have to return fire. You have to mount an offensive and storm the castle. I see nothing about Gary Kubiak that shows me he can do anything BUT hunker down and weather the storm.

The idea that every season is a blank slate and we start fresh, so therefore "anything can happen," doesn't appeal to me anymore. Not after five years of Kubiak. There is nothing, not a single shred of this team's history over the past FIVE years, that shows we're making a big jump in 2011. I guess wishful thinking says we can. I wish, too, but I know which hand will probably fill up first.
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Smith said the season was particularly disappointing considering the Texans finished the previous season 9-7 -- the first winning record in franchise history.

"We really felt like we were poised to have some success," Smith said. "Obviously, we fell short."

The Texans moved quickly in the offseason to address the defense, hiring former Dallas Cowboys head coach Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator. He is in the process of switching the defense from a 4-3 scheme to a 3-4, and Texans coach Gary Kubiak said Phillips will have a prominent voice in the acquisition of defensive personnel.

"I think that is a huge strength of his, so we'll be leaning on him big-time," Kubiak said. "That's what we brought him for. We're going to listen to him and get this defensive football team turned around."

Smith said the Texans' scouts met in Mobile, Ala., at the Senior Bowl to become familiar with scouting 3-4 players.

"We've really opened ourselves up to some potential options that were not there before," Smith said. "We've opened ourselves up to some guys players we otherwise wouldn't have looked at."

Smith said while the Texans will remain focused on the draft, he said they also will be aggressive in free agency -- if and when there is a free-agency period this offseason.

"We look to every avenue to improve," Smith said. "We have a pretty good idea of where we're going to address things in the off-season."
See, I sit here and read this stuff from Smithiak, and I interpret it semantically.

"We'll be leaning on him big time..." Uh, what does that mean? I would have prefered to hear Gary say "It's 100% Wade's defense. Whatever he wants, he's getting. We'll sort out the entire draft board, but defensive picks are all his."

Secondly, we have a follow-up quote that says "...we're going to listen to him." Listen? Hmmmm. OK. How about this, Gary: He doesn't have to say crap to you. He can get what he wants and you can sit back and like it. "We're going to listen to him," makes it sound like Wade is giving input but Gary & Co. make the ultimate decision. Gary, you've lost supreme command OK?

You guys are going to say I'm biased. I'm not. This has bothered me from the first time I read the OP, and I've tried to give myself time to re-analyze it over and over and make sure it came off the way it first did when I first read it. I can't get away from it. It sticks out like a huge red flag to me. Gary has chances to show fans that he's handling the offense and Wade is handling all of the defense (to the CORE of it). Where's Wade's statements on this? Instead, it's Kubiak at the microphone telling us Wade's business. I want to hear from Wade Phillips when an article talks about our defense. There's Gary, saying "We'll 'lean on him,' and we'll 'listen to him'...." No, you won't listen to him or lean on him, You're supposed to get the hell out of the way and talk about your kids on offense. Tell me about your plans for backup QB, your thoughts on all your RBs specifically Ward and Slaton, if Jacoby has a real future here or not and what you think of our WR squad, tell us about the TEs. Tell us anything BUT your thoughts about defense. That five-year screw-up is OVER.

This is why Kubiak had to go. I don't think he "gets it" yet. I really don't. Wade complicates things, IMO. Wade naturally, by virtue of Kubiak's micro-managing and clique'ish personality, is muddying the waters already. We're looking at an interim head coach situation, folks. I think it's the inevitable ending.
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Secondly, we have a follow-up quote that says "...we're going to listen to him." Listen? Hmmmm. OK. How about this, Gary: He doesn't have to say crap to you. He can get what he wants and you can sit back and like it. "We're going to listen to him," makes it sound like Wade is giving input but Gary & Co. make the ultimate decision. Gary, you've lost supreme command OK?
You wanted him to lose supreme command but he did not. This is just making stuff up to complain about and is why little girl assertions get made. Clearly Wade wasn't going to get to run the entire draft. If the clear BPA in a round is an offensive player then taking that offensive player or reaching for a defensive need is going to be a call for Smith and Kubiak. There was never a reasonable expectation Smith, McNair or Kubiak would say Wade is in complete control of the draft.
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Remember when people said there was no benefit to firing DC mid season and hiring someone to take the reigns early on?

Heres 2 benefits I can see:
1. They get to actually coach and work with players before the offsesaon
2. They get to instruct the scouts on which types of players to scout much earlier


I was concerned by this "he taught the scouts how to scout 3-4 players" Really? I guess that means we have no live game scouting of any of our defensive prospects now? Strange
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You wanted him to lose supreme command but he did not. This is just making stuff up to complain about and is why little girl assertions get made. Clearly Wade wasn't going to get to run the entire draft. If the clear BPA in a round is an offensive player then taking that offensive player or reaching for a defensive need is going to be a call for Smith and Kubiak. There was never a reasonable expectation Smith, McNair or Kubiak would say Wade is in complete control of the draft.
I never said I had the expectation of Wade running the "entire draft." Where do you get that? Because it sounds good, I guess? LOL. Geez, man.

I would think, after FIVE years of bad defense (with the ultimate failure being the "going young in the secondary" idea)...and now you got a highly-paid D-Coord in Wade, and you're switching to a 3-4, and your past two D-Coords have been nothing but figureheads so that Kubiak remains the smartest man in the room at all times...that the statements by Kubiak, pertaining to the defense, would be something more than "we're listening to him" and/or "we're leaning on him." To me, this speaks volumes. It should be more like "Whenever we draft defense, it's Wade's call 100%. That's what this franchise thinks of his eye for talent and needs for his defense." i can dream up a dozen things for Kubiak to say that would do a better P.R. job than what he said. That's what gets me: The lack of effort to show us that he "gets it" through and through. We don't hear much from the Texans, since they guard every single thing, so it is what it is: As DB has said, you have to scrutinize the few things they actually attempt to vocalize out there.

I sense a hesitancy by Kubiak. He is, of course, in a helluva' situation due to many factors (With Wade's presence being the kost daunting yet). Honestly, I think he's already given up and knows he's on the way out.
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Agreed

If say in the 3rd rd a S is on the board and Wade wants him. But Rick and Gary see a WR they want, Who makes the call on the pick?

Dysfunctional, I dont see this arrangement working out well.
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Remember when people said there was no benefit to firing DC mid season and hiring someone to take the reigns early on?

Heres 2 benefits I can see:
1. They get to actually coach and work with players before the offsesaon
2. They get to instruct the scouts on which types of players to scout much earlier


I was concerned by this "he taught the scouts how to scout 3-4 players" Really? I guess that means we have no live game scouting of any of our defensive prospects now? Strange
I agree 100%, gtexan!!!!

But, "you can't do that in the NFL." That's what I've been told. I mean, it just doesn't make any real difference at all. It would be a move just for the sake of making a move. In the end, it would just hurt more than help.

I would like to see some real manuevering by the Texans, just ONCE. Outside of the Carr cut and Schaub acquisition, I need to see risk-taking. It seems McNair associates risk-taking with the Capers-era of risks that Capers/Casserly took, which were boneheaded moves and not calculated risks. I think the guy is scared of taking a risk now.
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Agreed

If say in the 3rd rd a S is on the board and Wade wants him. But Rick and Gary see a WR they want, Who makes the call on the pick?

Dysfunctional, I dont see this arrangement working out well.
I'll give you an example of why this is how the system has to be (although the O and D components of the example are reversed). So it is the 2006 draft. The team needs rebuilding on both sides of the ball. It comes to the 2nd round pick and the OC really likes a WR they have graded as a early 2nd round pick. But the Texans have a mid-first round grade on DeMeco Ryans and he is available at their pick which they never expected. Just like they did then, the best choice is to sprint to the podium, take DeMeco and tell the OC he needs to look at his options for a WR that may be available later. So the Texans end up with multiple pro-bowler DeMeco instead of Chad Jackson taken three picks later by the uber smart Patriots and get his career 171 yards receiving (and release two years later). That's smart drafting, not being dysfunctional.

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I never said I had the expectation of Wade running the "entire draft." Where do you get that? Because it sounds good, I guess? LOL. Geez, man.
Because the only way the truth isn't "we will listen to Wade" is to put him in complete control and that was never going to happen. He isn't going to make the decision on whether to go O or D in each round.
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If say in the 3rd rd a S is on the board and Wade wants him. But Rick and Gary see a WR they want, Who makes the call on the pick?

Dysfunctional, I dont see this arrangement working out well.
Because, in the end, we're dealing with a head coach who has been there for five years now. He's going to act naturally. He's going to revert to what he knows. And what he knows is that this is histeam. Will he have a "going down in a blaze of glory" attitude?

I know he's going to try and do right by Wade, I wouldn't say that he would try to slight the guy on purpose. It would be to his benefit to do right by him. For all intensive purposes, we SHOULD draft a guy on defense in round 1. But then again, what if we went offense in round 1? Ouch. What if we traded down in round 1, and went offense with our first round pick and Gary tells Wade that he now has two picks on defense (You know, presenting it as a "gift" to Wade that he now has an extra pick to work with).

This will be an interesting experiment, IMO. The duality of Kubiak and Phillips.

To what degree does Kubiak let Phillips have the controls.
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The Texans have spent a lot of draft picks on defensive players over the years. Unfortunately, many of them were bad choices, some of them good, and some okay. Hopefully, Wade is the factor that makes those decisions right this time around.
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Nobody says you have to be a bitchy little girl. That's you trying to deflect and attempting (snarkily) to paint certain people as bitchy little girls. Not winning any points, honestly.
You read me like a book.
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I just can't gloss this team's problems over long enough to convince myself that they can make a big jump in 2011. At some point, faith has to be checked at the door of reality. That's why I don't understand the half-and-half statements. "He shouldn't be here, but I think we can make a big jump in 2011." Well, if you think he shouldn't be here...doesn't that somehow mean that we likely WON'T make a big jump in 2011? Which is it?
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We likely won't make a big jump.
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What can happen, TK, that makes Gary Kubiak reverse 5 years worth of trends? Everything from roster decisions, player acquisitions, weekday gameplanning/strategizing for Sunday's opponents, failures vs. AFC South teams, goofy playcalling at all the wrong moments, his choices and handling of defensive coordinators, an entire season's worth of blown games and failing to have his offense in gear until Quarter 4 of each game.
I don't have a big problem with the roster decisions. I still think our team is as talented as any team in the league on both sides of the ball. Less talented, actually, on the offensive side.

Player acquisitions, I'm going to lay at the door of Rick Smith. Though I do believe GK has more influence than he should, I blame Rick Smith for not asserting his position as he should.

Playcalling is an issue, but not in the way you guys are thinking of it. I don't have a problem with the half-back pass. Game management I think is his biggest weakness. I haven't seen anything to hint that GK has figured it out. This is the reason I don't believe he should be a head coach. This is the reason I think he should have been fired.

Frank Bush looked like the answer in 2009. Though the organization scape-goated him in 2010, I don't think he was the biggest problem.

All that other crap, especially the 4 qtr thing is bs, no different than every other team in the league.

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The list goes on. Outside of an improved defense, which is still a long shot by the way, what can Gary Kubiak do that's opposite from the past five years? Outside of a competent offense, what can Gary Kubiak do to actively create a better team here? I don't see it. I seriously don't. He's got his cool-under-fire attitude going on, and I guess that has some people enamored by the guy. He doesn't throw people under the bus, except for when Bob tells him either he'll fire somebody or HE gets the hook too. In war, it's one thing to hunker down and absorb enemy fire and be disciplined to wait your turn. But at some point, you have to return fire. You have to mount an offensive and storm the castle. I see nothing about Gary Kubiak that shows me he can do anything BUT hunker down and weather the storm.
I could cuss you right now, for being a shitty fan (just an example, I'm not saying you're a shitty fan) & it won't change the fact that you're a shitty fan. Wilson screwed the pooch time & again, Nolan started getting playing time. If you think Nolan was unequivocally better I can see why there is so much frustration. Barber was supposed to be the primary back-up. He went on IR early. To me, from a consistency standpoint, Nolan showed he wasn't ready (this was basically his rookie season).

GK flat out said Wilson screwed up on at least a couple of occasions, he also mentioned Nolan's inconsistencies. Soon as he had a player he felt good about putting on the field, Kareem Jackson saw less playing time, but Allen didn't look much better, and worse at times. McCain was definitely not an option. Gary said as much, maybe not in so many words, but he acknowledged KJack's struggles on many occasions.

I don't understand what else anyone expected him to do.

We started the season with 8 LBs, there were games, when we had to rely on 3 guys, because they were the only ones that were healthy. & don't get me started about the injuries on the DL.

Lots of injuries & missed games on the defense. I'm not using this as an excuse for Kubiak. These are excuses of why KJac wasn't benched. Why Wilson wasn't benched. Why the LBs weren't benched.
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The idea that every season is a blank slate and we start fresh, so therefore "anything can happen," doesn't appeal to me anymore. Not after five years of Kubiak. There is nothing, not a single shred of this team's history over the past FIVE years, that shows we're making a big jump in 2011. I guess wishful thinking says we can. I wish, too, but I know which hand will probably fill up first.
That's fine, if you want to ***** like a little girl, you go right on ahead. I like going to games and rooting for Arian Foster to break a big one, or Andre to break somebody's ankles, or Matt to go the F@#K off. I like rooting for Mario to be what he's supposed to be, I'll root for Cushing to be the menace he used to be & Demeco to be the playmaker he was. I love watching Quin play ball, & I love watching Pollard (hope he'll be here) hit people.

That's the way I roll. If somehow or another all that crap equals wins, I'll be happy. If not, I'll be upset & drive my 2 hours back home pissed about something or other Gary most likely did or didn't do.

But I'll be back the next week, watching the Houston Texans play football.
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That's fine, if you want to ***** like a little girl, you go right on ahead. I like going to games and rooting for Arian Foster to break a big one, or Andre to break somebody's ankles, or Matt to go the F@#K off. I like rooting for Mario to be what he's supposed to be, I'll root for Cushing to be the menace he used to be & Demeco to be the playmaker he was. I love watching Quin play ball, & I love watching Pollard (hope he'll be here) hit people.

That's the way I roll. If somehow or another all that crap equals wins, I'll be happy. If not, I'll be upset & drive my 2 hours back home pissed about something or other Gary most likely did or didn't do.

But I'll be back the next week, watching the Houston Texans play football.
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Isn't this off-season going to be insufferable enough without having every thread turned into "Kubiak and Smith suck/don't suck"?

I propose a boycott of any such discussion on this message board unless the thread title says something like "Let's debate how good/bad the organization is right now"... What do you say, soapers? I'll throw you a bone, as well. Speaking for the "sunshine club", we will confess that Kubiak deserved to be fired based on the team's 2010 performance. Can we move on now? please?
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Isn't this off-season going to be insufferable enough without having every thread turned into "Kubiak and Smith suck/don't suck"?

I propose a boycott of any such discussion on this message board unless the thread title says something like "Let's debate how good/bad the organization is right now"... What do you say, soapers? I'll throw you a bone, as well. Speaking for the "sunshine club", we will confess that Kubiak deserved to be fired based on the team's 2010 performance. Can we move on now? please?

I'm in.
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