Mighty Quin on proposed trade

[76Texan]

Basically, in the Miami front, Mario plays pretty much as an OLB in the 3-4 (the SAM), except with hand(s) down.

When we bring another OLB up to the other side (Cushing for example), some of our 4-man fronts are exactly the same as some of Wade's 3-man fronts (but mostly with Mario putting a hand down even though he did play standing up once in awhile.)

I just pulled up the Giants game, and this one is one variation:
(8:04 in the first, on first and ten).

Mitchell at NT (directly over the C)
Smith at strong side end (directly over the RT), same as basic strong side 3-4 DE
Okoye at weakside DT (directly over the LT), same as basic weak side 3-4 DE
Mario at weakside DE, outside Okoye, lining up as a 9-tech, same as a 3-4 rush LB (the WILL), except with one hand down.
Cushing at SAM, outside the TE, same as the 3-4 SAM.

This is why I said that I can see Mario playing multiple positions in Wade 3-4.
He already did with the Texans!

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Mario plays the 9-tech mostly in a front called the Miami front (from Jimmy Johnson - Hurricanes to Cowboys).
It's a 4-man Over Front with the strong side DE lining up outside the TE.
A quick scan of the Colts game in week 1 shows him there at least a dozen time in the first half.
There's benefit both against the run and the pass because Mario is such a monster (when he's healthy.)
You can try to imagine why or I can come back to it later.

It's nothing new since we had used Mario this way for quite a few years already.

Not only that, when we're in the Under Front, as the weak side rush end, we also lined him up wide (sometimes as wide with the same spacing as if there's a TE there and he's a 9-tech).

We do that in a 3-man front at times as well.

It's not just Mario, we use other DEs that way from time to time as well.

when I've seen Mario line up on the strong side, I remember him lining up over the TE (perhaps shading his outside)... he almost always engages the TE and sometimes the Tackle... Perhaps that is a 9 technique... It's not what I picture, though, when I think of it.

[Carr Bombed]

The self proclaimed "Mighty Quinn" is a insufferable gas bag who's more than worn out his shtick. My ears bleed listening to him give himself verbal fellatio on air. Listened to him when he first came to town, because he was different, but can't stand him now, because it's now all forced...can't wait until his yankee ass gets canned.


That is all.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Carr Bombed

The self proclaimed "Mighty Quinn" is a insufferable gas bag who's more than worn out his shtick. My ears bleed listening to him give himself verbal fellatio on air. Listened to him when he first came to town, because he was different, but can't stand him now, because it's now all forced...can't wait until his yankee ass gets canned.


That is all.

/END Thread!!!!!

[steelbtexan]

I dont listen to mighty Quin.

I'm guessing he's anti BoB,Rick and Gary.

What do you disagree with him on. Or is it he's all schtick?

[Carr Bombed]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

I dont listen to mighty Quin.

I'm guessing he's anti BoB,Rick and Gary.

What do you disagree with him on. Or is it he's all schtick?

That, there's actually things we agree upon. But I can no longer stand to listen to his show. The best thing about that show is it only lasts two hours, he's the Rush Limbaugh of sports talk radio...and if he read this post, he'd would probably take this as a complement, because Rush Limbaugh is a huge success and then he would ramble on about how smart he is for at least 45 minutes.

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

I dont listen to mighty Quin.

I'm guessing he's anti BoB,Rick and Gary.

What do you disagree with him on. Or is it he's all schtick?

It's not that I disagree with him, but he will always point out anything he's ever been right on in the past and will then do some self back-patting anytime he feels fancy. I also get the feeling that will have takes that are pretty far out there so he can spend the show defending himself and talking down to the callers. Also his delivery when he's making a "big point" is pretty grating, and just reminds me of a guy who is either entirely overconfident in his team or completely down on them and there is no middle ground.

[Carr Bombed]

For Christ's sake, look at the photo he uses at the website.



He might as well have douche tattooed across his forehead....and there's plenty of forehead to stamp that tattoo on, you could probably even squeeze in a bag

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Carr Bombed

For Christ's sake, look at the photo he uses at the website.



He might as well have douche tattooed across his forehead....and there's plenty of forehead to stamp that tattoo on, you could probably even squeeze in a bag

Photo says it all.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by b0ng

It's not that I disagree with him, but he will always point out anything he's ever been right on in the past and will then do some self back-patting anytime he feels fancy. I also get the feeling that will have takes that are pretty far out there so he can spend the show defending himself and talking down to the callers. Also his delivery when he's making a "big point" is pretty grating, and just reminds me of a guy who is either entirely overconfident in his team or completely down on them and there is no middle ground.

I will have to listen to him. I'm not a middle ground person.

With that said I dont care for this type of bait and argue type of talk show.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by Carr Bombed

The self proclaimed "Mighty Quinn" is a insufferable gas bag who's more than worn out his shtick. My ears bleed listening to him give himself verbal fellatio on air. Listened to him when he first came to town, because he was different, but can't stand him now, because it's now all forced...can't wait until his yankee ass gets canned.


That is all.

Heh. So true. Except, I listened to him at first because he was the better of three evils during lunch. But, now that 1560 dumped Brando, I finally have a better option. Haven't touched 790 during lunch since.

I must admit, it was comical to listen to him fumble through some ambivalent, non-responsive answer when callers would call in with a technical question. He can handle the subjective, "Hey, Dillon, how come the Texans didn't sign Julius Peppers last year!? Is that why they didn't go to the playoffs?" questions. But, ask him about the intricacies of NFL rules and he deflects the question.

I also remember him talking about how Jahri Evans was a scrub the Saints didn't need to re-sign while Bushrod was a future all-pro after the Saints won the SB.

Dude's an tool. He's essentially the anti-Pallilo.

You'd think 790's standards would be higher now that they improved their line-up so much. He's old 790 standard quality. They'd do well to replace him.

[BigBull17]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Man, it kills me to continue to see people act like Mario Williams is some guy that can't be parted with by some fans here. We had one of the worst pass rushes in the league before Mario got here and we still have one of the worst pass rushes in the league since he's been here. Mario is a good DE, but he is not a game changer on defense.

If Dumberville wasn't coming off a major injury this trade would be a no brainer. His salary wouldn't bother me that much at all really, but his injury was pretty bad. Mario is constantly having nagging injuries though or always has some sort of problem going on with him. Either way, he's nowhere near the player people try and act like he is around here and he's had a lack of motivation type of problem since college and I can't stand players like that especially on the Dline where you have to have a high motor. I doubt this has anything to it though. Mario is one of those guys that Bob sees as an investment because of his hype and his stature. Mario could put up 4 sacks and he'd still be looked at as a beast around here. Bob cares about money and Mario has the fan support because he was a #1 draft pick and hasn't been arrested. He's going nowhere.

If Mario doesn't excell in this 3-4 defense or gets injured this season his stock won't be worth jack after this season compared to what it is now though. I'd love to see him traded while the value is still pretty high. It's not like it would hurt the worst defense in the league either way.

I agree that no one is un-trade able, but Mario isn't "just a guy" like some people act like he is. I know you are not. If he doesn't produce this year, then it's time to move on, but I would like to see him in a defense that isn't run by Gary's baby sitter.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

when I've seen Mario line up on the strong side, I remember him lining up over the TE (perhaps shading his outside)... he almost always engages the TE and sometimes the Tackle... Perhaps that is a 9 technique... It's not what I picture, though, when I think of it.

No, in the Miami front, Mario always lines up outside the TE (9-tech) or wider.

On run play to the strong side, Mario could step up a couple of yards into the backfield (taking away the D gap). He also pushes the TE toward the inside; and because he's so strong for the TE to handle, he's quite successful at pushing the TE past the C gap.
In another word, he can take care of two gaps even though his main responsibility is only the D gap.

There are times when he's such a monster, he shuts down the whole side (D gap plus part of the alley and the C gap.)

If he's on the weakside, by doing the same to the offensive tackle, Mario makes it very difficult for any cut back run toward the weak side.

In the passing game, Mario is simply to strong for the TE to handle (if he stays back to block.)
If the TE releases, the strong side offensive tackle has a long way to slide over to take on the block.
On the other hand, Mario is so quick, he can get past the edge and go after the QB.
If the offensive tackle wants to slide over quicker, he normally has to get up off his bend/hunch. And when he plays high like that, it's easy for Mario to bull rush him into the QB, or push him back and get to the QB to the inside.

Every time I rewatch the Colts game in week one, I wish Mario can stay healthy. He was simply a one-man wrecking crew out there!

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by BigBull17

I agree that no one is un-trade able, but Mario isn't "just a guy" like some people act like he is. I know you are not. If he doesn't produce this year, then it's time to move on, but I would like to see him in a defense that isn't run by Gary's baby sitter.

While Mario may not like it (I don't know if that is true or not) we'll just be creating another hole, if we were to let him go. I've got faith in Antonio & Amobi to be able to play the DE position in a 3-4, but not a whole lot.

I think we have enough problems trying to put together a roster as is, no reason to create more.

I also think keeping Gary & bringing in Wade is Bob's latest effort to make something happen now. That being the case, I don't think he's too worried about the good trading Mario now can have for the future. Good or bad, I think that's the way we're going.

If he doesn't produce this year, chances are we'll lose him next year, with no compensation, or franchise him...... it's a predicament we got our selves in, and we'll just have to deal with it.

If there is no contract extension (maybe hard to do with the CBA & all right now), this summer, we may be seeing the end of Mario's career in Houston.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

In the passing game, Mario is simply to strong for the TE to handle (if he stays back to block.)
If the TE releases, the strong side offensive tackle has a long way to slide over to take on the block.
On the other hand, Mario is so quick, he can get past the edge and go after the QB.
If the offensive tackle wants to slide over quicker, he normally has to get up off his bend/hunch. And when he plays high like that, it's easy for Mario to bull rush him into the QB, or push him back and get to the QB to the inside.

Every time I rewatch the Colts game in week one, I wish Mario can stay healthy. He was simply a one-man wrecking crew out there!

I like Mario just as much as the next guy. & I've seen some of the things you point out. But his game can be, and really should be (by now) better than what it is. He's an outside guy/bull rush...... and very rarely does he go to the bull rush. As athletic as he is, he should be able to stunt outside, fake outside, or punch an OT to the outside, then cut back inside/under..... or even develop a spin back to the inside. Once he can do that, & actually mix it up, then he'll be a monster. Then he'll be able to take over games.

Now, I'd say he's above average, beastly when 100% like at the beginning of the 2010 season. But nowhere near where he should be at this point in his career.

I liked Kollar, I like what he did with what he had in Buffalo. I expected Mario to benefit & develop with a real DL coach. I know it's only been 1.5 seasons, but I'm wondering what he's waiting on.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I like Mario just as much as the next guy. & I've seen some of the things you point out. But his game can be, and really should be (by now) better than what it is. He's an outside guy/bull rush...... and very rarely does he go to the bull rush. As athletic as he is, he should be able to stunt outside, fake outside, or punch an OT to the outside, then cut back inside/under..... or even develop a spin back to the inside. Once he can do that, & actually mix it up, then he'll be a monster. Then he'll be able to take over games.

Now, I'd say he's above average, beastly when 100% like at the beginning of the 2010 season. But nowhere near where he should be at this point in his career.

I liked Kollar, I like what he did with what he had in Buffalo. I expected Mario to benefit & develop with a real DL coach. I know it's only been 1.5 seasons, but I'm wondering what he's waiting on.

Mario injured his hip in the third practice but play through it.
But then he got a groin injury that lingered until they had to put him on IR.

His teammates knew he had been struggling with the injury for a while, but fellow defensive end Antonio Smith realized it had gotten worse during Monday night's loss to Baltimore.

"He was fighting and you could just tell that he was in a lot of pain," Smith said. "It was hard to play with. It hindered him in this last game to the point where I knew it was something seriously wrong. After one play he just stopped and ... said: 'Man I think something's really wrong.'"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5923473

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[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I like Mario just as much as the next guy. & I've seen some of the things you point out. But his game can be, and really should be (by now) better than what it is. He's an outside guy/bull rush...... and very rarely does he go to the bull rush. As athletic as he is, he should be able to stunt outside, fake outside, or punch an OT to the outside, then cut back inside/under..... or even develop a spin back to the inside. Once he can do that, & actually mix it up, then he'll be a monster. Then he'll be able to take over games.

Now, I'd say he's above average, beastly when 100% like at the beginning of the 2010 season. But nowhere near where he should be at this point in his career.

I liked Kollar, I like what he did with what he had in Buffalo. I expected Mario to benefit & develop with a real DL coach. I know it's only been 1.5 seasons, but I'm wondering what he's waiting on.

Cant rep you

Spot On analysis. I dont know if MW will ever get what you speak of here. Plus MW is an injury waiting to happen. If a guy (MW) is only good for 5-6 games and great for 2-3 I dont see that as being elite.

Hometown fans always tend to overrate the hometown guys. What's scary is the talent that MW has if he was to go somewhere else and have his drive match his god given ability. He would be a multiple time all-pro and the Texans brass would have egg on their collective face.

The problem is so far in college and the pros his production hasn't met up to his ability. TK sitting here today would you sign MW to a big contract extention? I dont think I would as of right now. Because that $$$$ could be better spent on several players and the team would be more well rounded.

If MW comes in and adapts to Wades defense and has a really good yr. (I'm not just talking about sacks.) Then I would have to reconsider that decision.

BTW I would be concerned if MW has a big 2011 season that after he gets paid his effort level would drop. This is the conundrum facing McNair.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

Cant rep you

Spot On analysis. I dont know if MW will ever get what you speak of here. Plus MW is an injury waiting to happen. If a guy (MW) is only good for 5-6 games and great for 2-3 I dont see that as being elite.

Hometown fans always tend to overrate the hometown guys. What's scary is the talent that MW has if he was to go somewhere else and have his drive match his god given ability. He would be a multiple time all-pro and the Texans brass would have egg on their collective face.

The problem is so far in college and the pros his production hasn't met up to his ability. TK sitting here today would you sign MW to a big contract extention? I dont think I would as of right now. Because that $$$$ could be better spent on several players and the team would be more well rounded.

If MW comes in and adapts to Wades defense and has a really good yr. (I'm not just talking about sacks.) Then I would have to reconsider that decision.

BTW I would be concerned if MW has a big 2011 season that after he gets paid his effort level would drop. This is the conundrum facing McNair.

I'd have to treat Mario just like the Titans treated Haynesworth: let him play out his contract this year. Then, if he dominates, franchise him in 2012 and prepare to let him walk in 2013.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

Cant rep you

Spot On analysis. I dont know if MW will ever get what you speak of here. Plus MW is an injury waiting to happen. If a guy (MW) is only good for 5-6 games and great for 2-3 I dont see that as being elite.

Hometown fans always tend to overrate the hometown guys. What's scary is the talent that MW has if he was to go somewhere else and have his drive match his god given ability. He would be a multiple time all-pro and the Texans brass would have egg on their collective face.

How many players have we had go on IR?

What was the deal with DD? How long did it take Dunta to recover? OD?

I've got my fingers crossed, that it isn't Mario.... but whatever it is, Wade sniffs it out & get's rid of it.

[HoustonFrog]

I'm not sure if any of you were lsitening to 1560 on the way to work yesterday but interesting story by Lance. Seems Mario is really into riding his Harley around. He hangs with a group of guys who rides bikes around. LZ says one of his buddies in that group and that Mario tells them all the time that football isn't the most important thing. The context of the conversation was having a guy like AJ Hawk or others who live and breath football. Do the Texans have many guys who take the job as their life. I've never looked at Mario as a guy who is fully committed or always in the game. Special talent but not a guy I'd be afraid to lose for the right price.