Mighty Quin on proposed trade

[srrono]

today on 790 The Mighty Quin spoke of a proposed trade between houston and denver of Mario Williams for Elvis Dumervil anyone else hear this?

[gtexan02]

Heres an article to back it up
http://www.xtrapointfootball.com/201...ood-thing.html

Interesting idea to say the least.

We're going to 3-4 and would get a 17 sack OLB and they're going to a 4-3 and would get a player Fox hopefully looks at as a future Peppers.

Could be a win-win

[Second Honeymoon]

I am not a huge Mario guy, but that would be a bad trade. If it was for a healthy and productive Elvis that had had a good year and wasn't coming off a major injury, I would be more open to it...but Elvis was hurt.

I would be open to trading Mario for a Top5 maybe a Top10 overall pick in this NFL draft, but other than that we just need to see how Mario does in the new 3-4 alignment.

[srrono]

Originally Posted by gtexan02

Heres an article to back it up
http://www.xtrapointfootball.com/201...ood-thing.html

Interesting idea to say the least.

We're going to 3-4 and would get a 17 sack OLB and they're going to a 4-3 and would get a player Fox hopefully looks at as a future Peppers.

Could be a win-win

Thank You

[BigBull17]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

I am not a huge Mario guy, but that would be a bad trade. If it was for a healthy and productive Elvis that had had a good year and wasn't coming off a major injury, I would be more open to it...but Elvis was hurt.

I would be open to trading Mario for a Top5 maybe a Top10 overall pick in this NFL draft, but other than that we just need to see how Mario does in the new 3-4 alignment.

Mario for a draft pick? That's not very good for us. To much uncertainty, especially with Rick Smith drafting. You would have to get a haul. Similar to Jared Allen.

[Yankee_In_TX]

LOL, so it would be in the same offseason (probably, we'll see if Bush takes a pay cut) - VY cut, Bush cut, and Mario traded?

[infantrycak]

gtexan provided a link. Please do not quote entire articles. Thanks.

[OzzO]

who's proposing the trade - Houston, Denver, or 790?

[El Tejano]

A long time ago I either posted or created a thread talking about this possibility. I mentioned that my brother talked about the reasons why trading Mario wouldn't be a bad idea. Some of you agreed and some thought we were crazy. It doesn't seem so crazy now but like Second Honeymoon said, Mario for a previously injured player is not a good idea IMO. However I do have to consider the fact that every year we are given the same line that Mario disappearing in November is because he's playing injured.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by OzzO

who's proposing the trade - Houston, Denver, or 790?

Just speculation.

And Dumervil has an extremely odd contract that pays $14 mil next year and goes down each year after. If he performs well that is just begging for problems. Plus while I agree Dumervil is not as well suited to a 4-3 I think Mario can excel in either system.

[kiwitexansfan]

Mario for Dumervil and there 1st this year and 2nd next year would do it for me.

[Dutchrudder]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Mario for Dumervil and there 1st this year and 2nd next year would do it for me.

If Josh McDaniels was still there, this would not sound so unlikely...

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by El Tejano

A long time ago I either posted or created a thread talking about this possibility. I mentioned that my brother talked about the reasons why trading Mario wouldn't be a bad idea. Some of you agreed and some thought we were crazy. It doesn't seem so crazy now but like Second Honeymoon said, Mario for a previously injured player is not a good idea IMO. However I do have to consider the fact that every year we are given the same line that Mario disappearing in November is because he's playing injured.

Sounds just as crazy now as it ever did.

That article is nothing more than a guy with a blog & nothing but time on his hands. No one remotely associated with either team is even discussing this as a possibility.

[2slik4u]

Absolutely not. Mario is a guy you build your entire defense around. He is going to be great for a long time. He provides other things to our defense other than sack totals.

Not my chair, not my problem. Nope. Not eva.

[Brisco_County]

Dumerville is more inclined to injury than Mario. I dont' like it.

There shouldn't be a discussion of trading Mario unless he is refusing to accept the new system.

[dc_txtech]

Originally Posted by 2slik4u

Absolutely not. Mario is a guy you build your entire defense around. He is going to be great for a long time. He provides other things to our defense other than sack totals.

Not my chair, not my problem. Nope. Not eva.

Johnny hammersticks ova here hammerin away.

[Doppelganger]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Just speculation.

And Dumervil has an extremely odd contract that pays $14 mil next year and goes down each year after. If he performs well that is just begging for problems. Plus while I agree Dumervil is not as well suited to a 4-3 I think Mario can excel in either system.

Dumervill excelled in the 4-3 as a DE.
2007 :as a rookie, 8.5 sacks in 13 games.(Denver in 4-3)
2008: second year player, 12.5 sacks in 16 games (Denver in 4-3)
2009: Third year, 5 sacks in 16 games, (first year in 3-4)
2010: Fourth year, 17 sacks in 16 games (second year in 3-4).

Dumervill is a football player. He excels in the 4-3 as a DE and the 3-4 as an OLB.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Brisco_County

Dumerville is more inclined to injury than Mario. I dont' like it.

There shouldn't be a discussion of trading Mario unless he is refusing to accept the new system.

I think the trade talk is nonsense, but so is your statement that "Dumervil is more inclined to injury than Mario".

2006: Mario ineffective because of a foot injury
2007: great year
2008: great year
2009: Mario has shoulder injury that limits effectiveness all season
2010: Mario sucks except for 3 games because of sports hernia, eventual IR

That isn't exactly the best track record for a guy in his mid 20s.

[Carr Bombed]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

I am not a huge Mario guy, but that would be a bad trade. If it was for a healthy and productive Elvis that had had a good year and wasn't coming off a major injury, I would be more open to it...but Elvis was hurt.

I would be open to trading Mario for a Top5 maybe a Top10 overall pick in this NFL draft, but other than that we just need to see how Mario does in the new 3-4 alignment.

Mario is hurt every year also.... it's only a matter of time until those injuries start stacking up and he also misses games. Then throw in the fact that nobody knows what kind of player he's going to be in a 3-4 defense (He is no Bruce Smith).

I'd do this deal in a heartbeat.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Carr Bombed

Mario is hurt every year also.... it's only a matter of time until those injuries start stacking up and he also misses games. Then throw in the fact that nobody knows what kind of player he's going to be in a 3-4 defense (He is no Bruce Smith).

I'd do this deal in a heartbeat.

I'm not sure I would do the deal. One thing to think about, though, is the contract situation. Mario has one year left on his deal. Elvis has 5, I think. What is most significant about that is the trading team is responsible for the signing bonus figure on the salary cap... So, while trading Mario away would cost the Texans about a $3 million hit on the cap for 2011, none of Dumervil's signing bonus would ever count against the Texans cap. Therefore, his rather large contract would turn into a heck of a bargain because the Texans would only owe him his actual yearly salaries through 2015... In that respect, it would be an unbelievable deal...

actually, I just talked myself into it. I wish it wasn't make-believe, because the Texans would be foolish not to do it!