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Old 02-23-2011   #21
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I think we still have Ogbonnaya too
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Use the money on the defense.
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Slaton's contract:

signing bonus: $664,000
(2008) $295,000
(2009) $385,000
(2010) $470,000
(2011) $555,000

At such a bargain, how can Bob resist taking a chance of letting go a "superstar?"
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Just heard MCLAME on 610 say that he expects Ward to go and Slaton to compete with Tate for 2nd and 3rd RB. With Ward's show last year, I find it hard to believe that Staton has the "inside track."
It wouldn't surprise me. Sucks, but I've come to expect inept from this FO.
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Wow, there is literally no topic that you won't turn into bashing Kubiak or the FO, is there?
Wow, you ignore the myriad of other posts I have made on this board 9over the past few months) where I very well COULD HAVE mentioned it but chose not to. In fact, this is a rare time where I will "go there," and I just knew someone like you would jump at the chance to make mention of it.

You Soaper Man Crushers wouldn't have a job without us. All you do is run around like parrots, trying to be the newest guy to blast a soaper.

Congratulations: You're the guy who leeches off others' ideas/opinions.

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Wow, there is literally no topic that you won't turn into bashing Kubiak or the FO, is there?
So why don't you go and blast Double Barrel, too?

Hell, he's run circles around me on this topic.

Anywho, I can't stand chest puffers like you who leech instead of adding to the conversation. You wanted my attention, so now you got it. Notice how it wasn't the other way around?

Half the time I don't say anything on this board but somebody out there waves the Wanted poster in my face and thinks they're going to bring in the bounty on me. Just put me on ignore if it's that bad, OK?

Check my most recent posts, and scan them for about the past month...tell me how many of those I spend raging against the machine. Not very many. I been talkin' football and talkin' about players, etc. You misplayed your hand.
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So why don't you go and blast Double Barrel, too?

Hell, he's run circles around me on this topic.

Anywho, I can't stand chest puffers like you who leech instead of adding to the conversation. You wanted my attention, so now you got it. Notice how it wasn't the other way around?

Half the time I don't say anything on this board but somebody out there waves the Wanted poster in my face and thinks they're going to bring in the bounty on me. Just put me on ignore if it's that bad, OK?

Check my most recent posts, and scan them for about the past month...tell me how many of those I spend raging against the machine. Not very many. I been talkin' football and talkin' about players, etc. You misplayed your hand.

You do love to grand stand don't you?
I really don't care if you like it or not. You are very clearly one of the leading bashers on this message board, and have been for a while.
I don't know what your recent history has been, but I do know that you have blasted the FO in many threads out of context to the thread topic, and plainly did so in this thread.
It get's old.
This opinion has nothing to do with DB, or any other member here. I've been a contributing member here for years, and very little of my contribution has EVER been critical of another member's opinions, or view points.
When I have an opinion, I'll state it. I don't put people on ignore. I tell them what I think. If you don't like it, you feel free to put me on ignore.

Your schtick is played out GP. Eveyone knows how you feel about the FO, trust me.

I'm not trying to tell you that you shouldn't carry on expressing your view point. By all means, exercise your right to do so.
Just as I'll exercise my right to tell you that you sound like a broken record.
I don't need to hold this conversation by PM like last time.
This is my opinion, and that's the opinion that I want expressed here for the entire community to witness.
Blast me, put me on ignore, call me names if you want to. It's all irrelevant. Your constant barrage of spewage lessens the enjoyment that I have on this message board, and I'm going to state my opinion whether you care for it, or not.
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Back on point. Glad that Tate is going to be back, and though I'd hate for Ward to walk he'll likely have a better situation on another team then here and I wish him the best of luck if he chooses that route. Based on Slatons performances last year I'd rate him as a 4th RB, but someone else is going to have to beat him out to put him there, so if not he's the 3rd best RB we've got, untill he can fix whatever is messing with him.
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As much as I like Ward, I'd let him go.

I think we can spend our resources better...
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Not sure why anyone thinks we shouldn't keep all four of Foster, Tate, Ward and Slaton if possible. Clearly that involves whether Ward gets offers to start which I doubt.
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As much as I like Ward, I'd let him go.

I think we can spend our resources better...
I don't know, man. He seemed to be a great complement to Foster. They were a 1-2 punch that solidified the running game. Perhaps Tate can be that role now, but coming off an injury, we really don't know until it happens.

I'd much rather see them put resources into a proven commodity like Ward instead of blowing $3 million on Dan O.

Although, this is just my gut reaction, so I don't know what Ward could garner on the FA market, and as has been said above, if he even wants to be here behind Foster.

I just hope they get rid of Slaton. I saw nothing productive in that dude, and this team needs to develop a take-no-prisoners attitude about non-productive players (looking at you, JJ!...although he might be gone, too).
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I just hope they get rid of Slaton. I saw nothing productive in that dude, and this team needs to develop a take-no-prisoners attitude about non-productive players (looking at you, JJ!...although he might be gone, too).
While understanding the underlying sentiment, I don't get the specific example. SS rushed for 4.9 ypc last year. You need back up RB's.
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The important thing to consider is that Ward likely wants to leave to be a starter. I'm thinking the Texans want to keep him as the No. 2, but Ward is gonna look to go be a starter first IMO knowing that chance isn't available in Houston. He wants a starting spot and starter money...now if he's willing to be a backup again, the Texans would be wise to keep him.
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While understanding the underlying sentiment, I don't get the specific example. SS rushed for 4.9 ypc last year. You need back up RB's.
Agreed.

Another thing to remember is that in 2010 Slaton was coming off of neck surgery that may have been more difficult to rehab from mentally than it was physically. I'm not making any prediction, but given another off-season to recuperate and get his confidence/sense of well being back, I'd at least like to see what he looks like in training camp and in the pre-season* before making the decision to jettison him.

* Assuming of course there is a training camp and/or pre-season!
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I don't know, man. He seemed to be a great complement to Foster. They were a 1-2 punch that solidified the running game. Perhaps Tate can be that role now, but coming off an injury, we really don't know until it happens.

I'd much rather see them put resources into a proven commodity like Ward instead of blowing $3 million on Dan O.

Although, this is just my gut reaction, so I don't know what Ward could garner on the FA market, and as has been said above, if he even wants to be here behind Foster.

I just hope they get rid of Slaton. I saw nothing productive in that dude, and this team needs to develop a take-no-prisoners attitude about non-productive players (looking at you, JJ!...although he might be gone, too).
Agree with all points.........and would like to make one additional one. Even if Tate comes back close to effective form. how many RBs make it through an entire season. Trying to maintain the successful system of last year's offense will require TWO healthy EFFECTIVE RBs at all times. We lucked out last year. Without that "third wheel" last year, we wouldn't have likely enjoyed the scenery. Without that same "third wheel" this year, we may not be so lucky.
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Agree with all points.........and would like to make one additional one. Even if Tate comes back close to effective form. how many RBs make it through an entire season. Trying to maintain the successful system of last year's offense will require TWO healthy EFFECTIVE RBs at all times. We lucked out last year. Without that "third wheel" last year, we wouldn't have likely enjoyed the scenery. Without that same "third wheel" this year, we may not be so lucky.
Doc, do you still feel the recovery potential for Tate to be in 85-95 % range?
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"Minor" is relative. Simply put sh*t happens. That "third wheel" can quickly become very important.

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While understanding the underlying sentiment, I don't get the specific example. SS rushed for 4.9 ypc last year. You need back up RB's.
Interesting statistic. But, consider his average goes down to 3.8 if you take away his 23 yard run. Obviously, 19 carriers for 93 yards is not much to really go on. He never seemed very productive as a RB, and with the production from Foster and Ward, SS seemed anemic, at best.
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Interesting statistic. But, consider his average goes down to 3.8 if you take away his 23 yard run. Obviously, 19 carriers for 93 yards is not much to really go on. He never seemed very productive as a RB, and with the production from Foster and Ward, SS seemed anemic, at best.
I'm not suggesting starting him or anything. Just saying keep him on the depth chart even as #4 RB (if you can re-sign Ward). He's cheap, he has become a good blocker and catches well. I don't see upgrading him without a draft pick we can better use elsewhere.
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I forgot we had him. A productive Ben Tate can make our running game and offense even stronger. Let's face it, being a running back in the NFL is a fickle business. Arian Foster was great last season, but we need to keep him fresh and healthy. I think Ben Tate can do what Ward did for us and he has the talent to be a very good back in this league. Anyway, glad to hear that he's back and hope he can stay injury free and become a productive part of our team.
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