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Old 02-12-2011   #1
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Rk Player School
1 Joe Haden* Florida
2 Kyle Wilson Boise State
3 Kareem Jackson* Alabama
4 Devin McCourty Rutgers
5 Patrick Robinson Florida State
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000...ional-rankings
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This rankings position rating was dated in early April of last year, just a short ime from the Draft.
If you follow the Draft like a lot of us do, you know Moyoc is "the man",
and definitely if you look at DBacks because that's where he played in college
and the NFL.
So Smith-Kubiak weren't by themselves when it came to rating Jackson a better prospect than McCourty, who ended up in the Pro Bowl as a rookie.
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Cornerbacks
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1 Joe Haden* Florida
2 Kyle Wilson Boise State
3 Kareem Jackson* Alabama
4 Devin McCourty Rutgers
5 Patrick Robinson Florida State
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000...ional-rankings
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This rankings position rating was dated in early April of last year, just a short ime from the Draft.
If you follow the Draft like a lot of us do, you know Moyoc is "the man",
and definitely if you look at DBacks because that's where he played in college
and the NFL.
So Smith-Kubiak weren't by themselves when it came to rating Jackson a better prospect than McCourty, who ended up in the Pro Bowl as a rookie.
And Mayock was wrong also.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Mike Mayock would like to have that one back.
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And Mayock was wrong also.
Maybe. Ok, probably but not for sure ? It's still way too soon to write the
final analysis on his NFL career.
The thing that still puzzles me the most about Kareem is his apparent lack of "deep-speed". I watched the NFL Combine on the NFL network last year just as Mayoc, who was there reporting on it for the NFL Net, watched it and saw Jackson run an official sub 4.5 40 like McCourtny did. The top CB
Haden from FLA was the guy who ran the slow 40 at Indy and had to make amends for it at his Pro day if you happen to recall ?
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why why why

OK I'm OK... brings up interesting point doesn't it, who to believe?

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Rank Player Name Playable Positions College Rating - Grade Year
1 Eric Berry CB S Tennessee 7.007- 1st Round 2010
2 Patrick Robinson CB Florida State 6.755 - 1st Round 2010
3 Devin McCourty CB RET Rutgers 6.54 - 1st Round 2010
4 Kyle Wilson CB RET Boise State 6.54 - 1st Round 2010
5 Joe Haden CB Florida 6.51 - 1st Round 2010
6 Earl Thomas CB S Texas 6.402 - 2nd Round 2010
7 Kareem Jackson CB Alabama 6.36 - 2nd Round 2010
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Scott Wright of Draft Countdown also had them the same way.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/archiv...ankings.php#cb
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What if the primary problem is not our FO's collective inability to rank/rate talent, but rather is our (former defensive) coaches' inability to coach and develop talent?

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1 Eric Berry CB S Tennessee 7.007- 1st Round 2010
2 Patrick Robinson CB Florida State 6.755 - 1st Round 2010
3 Devin McCourty CB RET Rutgers 6.54 - 1st Round 2010
4 Kyle Wilson CB RET Boise State 6.54 - 1st Round 2010
5 Joe Haden CB Florida 6.51 - 1st Round 2010
6 Earl Thomas CB S Texas 6.402 - 2nd Round 2010
7 Kareem Jackson CB Alabama 6.36 - 2nd Round 2010
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Draftnasty has Patrick Robinson rated ahead of everybody but Berry !
Wow, that is terribly lacking in judgement & perception.
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1 Eric Berry CB S Tennessee 7.007- 1st Round 2010
2 Patrick Robinson CB Florida State 6.755 - 1st Round 2010
3 Devin McCourty CB RET Rutgers 6.54 - 1st Round 2010
4 Kyle Wilson CB RET Boise State 6.54 - 1st Round 2010
5 Joe Haden CB Florida 6.51 - 1st Round 2010
6 Earl Thomas CB S Texas 6.402 - 2nd Round 2010
7 Kareem Jackson CB Alabama 6.36 - 2nd Round 2010
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Draftnasty has Patrick Robinson rated ahead of everybody but Berry !
Wow, that is terribly lacking in judgement & perception.
very similar player to Tracy Porter who had tremendous impact early on out of Indiana taken early 2nd rd. 2008, followed up with first rounder Malcolm Jenkins, similar physical corner to Kareem Jackson. Robinson fought injury more than anything, overall the Saints pass defense ranked 4th best in the league while Texans ranked....wait for it....wait.....dead last.
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What if the primary problem is not our FO's collective inability to rank/rate talent, but rather is our (former defensive) coaches' inability to coach and develop talent?

Food for thought.
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What if the primary problem is not our FO's collective inability to rank/rate talent, but rather is our (former defensive) coaches' inability to coach and develop talent?

Food for thought.
Yeah, I am looking forward to seeing Kareem with a new DB coach and DC next year. I hope that they will be able to coach him up better than the last regime.
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Never once crossed my mind.
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Yeah, I am looking forward to seeing Kareem with a new DB coach and DC next year. I hope that they will be able to coach him up better than the last regime.
Plus maybe some real heat up front on the QB from Wade's 3-4 pass rush
will give us a different perspective on Kareem and other DBacks ?
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It's ridiculous beyond words to judge Kareem as harshly as you all have after just his rookie year. No rookie corner is gonna blow it up. You realize McCourty was a part of one of the 5 worst secondaries in football and got toasted his fair share too?

It's especially ridiculous to judge Kareem as harshly as you all have given the coaching he had. Give Kareem more than just his rookie year before we jump the gun.

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It's especially ridiculous to judge Kareem as harshly as you all have given the coaching he had. Give Kareem more than just his rookie year before we jump the gun.
I think it's more like judging the people who drafted and coached Jackson. Obviously, Kareem gets another opportunity with a new coach in a new system. But, it's totally fair to point out how McCourty was a success right out of the box, while Jackson was an utter failure. McCourty >>>> Jackson in 2010. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.
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Sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good.
At other times, when you're pretty good and lucky at the same time, it's even better!

This is what I posted in another thread (in the mock draft forum):

You guys must remember that McCourty played mostly as a cover 2 corner for the Pats (sometimes he would be in cover 3.)
Regardless of the scheme, he had more safeties' help than Jackson.

I reviewed at least 7 of the Pats' games.
When I looked at the defensive alignment, I noticed this:
Let's say the offense is in single back so that there 2 receiving threats on each side.
At least 90% of the time, you can count on more defenders to be on McCourty's side (or shading toward McCourty's side).
A DT putting a hand up in the passing lane is also of great help to the CB, let's not forget that.
Even when they played 2 deep safeties, from time to time, the second safety would shade over a little so that the main supporting safety (to McCourty) can be of more help to the rookie.

I had analyzed one of McCourty's game before on this board.

Also, I just went back and look at some plays in another game (Chargers) just now.
I will try to come back to it soon to show why McCourty was put in position to succeed in some of those plays, and was lucky to avoid giving up a TD in another play.
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The debate on last year's rookie corners is mute. We have Kareem and must move on with it. The shameful part is that something has been broken in player development on our D. We all can see it and hopefully that will change...my expectations will not be high though until we can consistently put a winning squad on the field. On another note, are we really as talented as we think, I think there was a thread about that before. The Texans supposedly have one of the best scouting departments in the NFL so the $M question is why have we been mediocre? Coaching (system) vs players
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Kareem was getting better in the last part of the season.
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As promised, here are some breakdowns of McCourty's play.
These are from the Chargers game.

Play one to start the game.
1-10 After motion, the Chargers ended up in a single back set (RB directly behind QB);
on the left side, they have 2 receivers and the TE (that's 3 receiving threats)
on the right side, they have one receiver (McCourty's responsbibility).

The Pats were in base 3-4, with 2-deep safeties.
The 2 ILBs played in their normal slots.

On the right side of the Defense, the ROLB would take on the TE, the RCB would take one WR, and the safety would be responsible for the other receiver (all one-on-one).

On the left side, McCourty had help from both the LOLB and the second safety.
(The LOLB dropped back and looked toward McCourty's receiver to make sure he doesn't run a slant toward the middle; this is inside protection.
All the while, the safety was backing up deep.)
That's double protection for the rookie, and this was the seventh game of the season.

Do you recall Jackson ever to have this kind of protection?

(Side note: Obviously, the QB wouldn't go to McCourty's side on such a situation.
Rivers completed a pass to the strong side where there were fewer defenders/per receiving threat for a first down.)
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