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Old 02-09-2011   #1
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i know a lot of yall dont care for Richard Justice, but its an aight article.


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ARLINGTON One striking thing about this Super Bowl is how much the Texans operate just like the Steelers and Packers.

I know this is going to be a tough sell because many of you no longer believe in Texans owner Bob McNair or his blueprint, and I probably can't persuade you to change your mind.

But it seems significant that executives of the Packers and Steelers say many of the same things McNair routinely says.

No, not every team operates this way. Some for instance, the Dallas Cowboys sometimes seem more interested in moves that will sell tickets instead of win games. Other franchises change coaches on a whim.

The Packers and Steelers, like the Texans, weren't built with flashy free-agent signings or by hiring big-money coaches. They did what they believed to be right instead of what they knew would be popular.

Whether by accident or not, McNair's organizational structure and core beliefs are very similar to those of these Super Bowl teams. McNair believes in stability, patience and building through the draft. So do the Steelers and Packers.

McNair hires people he trusts and gives them the resources to do their jobs. And he stays out of their way. How's that for painting another losing season with a nice soft brush? I mean, you need some hope that the 2011 season will be different, don't you?

If there's a flaw in this thinking and obviously there is considering the Texans have had one winning record in nine years it's the quality of the people McNair has hired.

Give him credit for sticking with coach Gary Kubiak and general manager Rick Smith when it would be easy to make a case for firing both of them. Five seasons is long enough to put a playoff team on the field.

If they haven't gotten it done in five seasons, there's no reason to think they're going to get it done in six or seven or nine. If the Texans do turn some kind of corner next season, McNair will deserve a parade for staying the course.

There are indications McNair won't tolerate much more. One of his employees recently said, "He has basically put the whole organization on notice."

He said McNair is fine taking bullets for Kubiak and Smith, but he's not going to take them forever. If a new defensive staff doesn't do it, he'll probably throw 'em all out the door.
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Successful NFL franchises must be competent in four areas: ownership, general manager, coach and quarterback. They all must be good at what they do, and the decision makers must have the guts to stick to their guns in tough times.

McNair did that in resisting the temptation to fire Kubiak and hire Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden. With a chance to ignite interest in his franchise, he did what he thinks is still in the best interest of the franchise.

The Packers would understand. One aspect of this week is redemption for general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy.

All they did three years ago was make the toughest call they'll ever have to make in parting ways with Brett Favre and turning their team over to untested Aaron Rodgers.

"We've moved on," Thompson said this week when asked about Favre.

He has now, but Thompson needed this Super Bowl to put out the still-simmering anger over Favre's departure. Never mind that Favre's will-he-or-won't-he offseasons pretty much dared the Packers to do what they did.

Splashy? It would be hard to find two less flashy men than these Super Bowl coaches, Pittsburgh's Mike Tomlin and Green Bay's Mike McCarthy. And both general managers, Thompson and Pittsburgh's Kevin Colbert, seem uncomfortable in the spotlight.

"Panic doesn't seem to work," Steelers president Art Rooney II said. "There are enough people that seem to have gone through that mode. Our feeling is that you pick good people, and you try to stick with them if you have good people.

"There are ups and downs in any sport, but if you have the right people in place, you'll always have a chance to be successful, and that's what we do."
If it ain't broke ...

For the last 40 years, one Steelers team has been remarkably similar to all the others. They run the ball, have great linebackers and win to the tune of 25 playoff appearances in the last 38 seasons.

The Rooney family stuck with both Chuck Noll and Bill Cowher in tough times, and every single time their patience was rewarded.

"I think the idea of having the right people in place and finding and keeping good people, that's something that goes back to my grandfather and my father," Rooney said. "As they said, keeping it simple and keeping the right people in play, that's the key."

His point is that it's sometimes easier to fire people than show faith in them when everything is coming undone. Whether McNair's patience will be rewarded is yet to be seen, but there's no question he's got the right blueprint.
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Good post. Thanks, man.

It must have been hard for RJ to write a serious article.

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"If there's a flaw in this thinking and obviously there is considering the Texans have had one winning record in nine years it's the quality of the people McNair has hired.

Give him credit for sticking with coach Gary Kubiak and general manager Rick Smith when it would be easy to make a case for firing both of them. Five seasons is long enough to put a playoff team on the field."
Those three sentences form the basis of why the Fire Kubiak club is still holding its weekly meetings here.


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He said McNair is fine taking bullets for Kubiak and Smith, but he's not going to take them forever. If a new defensive staff doesn't do it, he'll probably throw 'em all out the door."
I doubt he's going to throw Wade Phillips out the door. Maybe throw him out of the d-coord door and throw him through the head coach door.
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Yeah,

BoB,Gary and Rick are greatness in the making.

LOL

The Rooney's and the Packer shareholders demand that a winning product on the field. Who's demanding that McNair,Rick and Gary put a winning product on the field?

Answer: Nobody
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Yeah,

BoB,Gary and Rick are greatness in the making.

LOL

The Rooney's and the Packer shareholders demand that a winning product on the field. Who's demanding that McNair,Rick and Gary put a winning product on the field?

Answer: Nobody
i demand it, but noone answers
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i demand it, but noone answers
Neither does BoB.

I guess with Reliant being sold out every game might have something to do with this.
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The thing about it was that people were complaining why those teams didn't win the Super Bowl that year. Ours is complaining about why we can't make the playoffs. That's a big difference. Sure Cowher didn't make the playoffs a year or two, but they were in there alot and usually showed some promise. Easy to hold on to a coach when your team is getting to the playoffs.
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The thing about it was that people were complaining why those teams didn't win the Super Bowl that year. Ours is complaining about why we can't make the playoffs. That's a big difference. Sure Cowher didn't make the playoffs a year or two, but they were in there alot and usually showed some promise. Easy to hold on to a coach when your team is getting to the playoffs.
agree but i like the core of players we have, besides our secondary i think we should be a play-off team next season. BUT i think that every season
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Neither does BoB.

I guess with Reliant being sold out every game might have something to do with this.
I know it is frustrating to some.

But the fact that Reliant has been perpetually sold out eventually will payoff for a team.

The best teams in the league make their player acquisitions based on what is best for their team, and not what is most popular.

The Green Bay Packers made the Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre decision because 1. it made sense for their team; 2. because their season ticket status allowed them to do so.

It's one of the things that Vic Ketchman (formerly) with the Jaguars mentioned in talking about the Steelers and Packers. They can afford to make difficult decisions because they don't have to make ticketing based decisions.

This hasn't paid off yet--hopefully they can get their defense in order.
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McNair is staying the course for one of two reasons:

1. He believes its the best way to get a winning team

2. He believes it will make him the most money


Maybe 1 is true, but it seems like #2 is more likely. We have great attendance, he makes tons of money as is, and keeping Kubiak is a helluva lot cheaper than firing him and getting someone new. Plus, with the lockout looming, its unknown territory.


Maybe 1 is true, or its a combination of 1 and 2, but "staying the course" doesn't always mean the good things Justice seems to imply
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I know it is frustrating to some.

But the fact that Reliant has been perpetually sold out eventually will payoff for a team.

The best teams in the league make their player acquisitions based on what is best for their team, and not what is most popular.

The Green Bay Packers made the Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre decision because 1. it made sense for their team; 2. because their season ticket status allowed them to do so.

It's one of the things that Vic Ketchman (formerly) with the Jaguars mentioned in talking about the Steelers and Packers. They can afford to make difficult decisions because they don't have to make ticketing based decisions.

This hasn't paid off yet--hopefully they can get their defense in order.
The lack of a sense of urgency within the Tezans org (It starts with BoB) is troubling to say the least.

Atleast we know the defense cant be as bad as it was last yr. Can it?
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If Bob, Smithiak continue their present decision-making pattern of "self inflicted wounds," they will likely remain afflicted.
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McNair is staying the course for one of two reasons:

1. He believes its the best way to get a winning team

2. He believes it will make him the most money


Maybe 1 is true, but it seems like #2 is more likely. We have great attendance, he makes tons of money as is, and keeping Kubiak is a helluva lot cheaper than firing him and getting someone new. Plus, with the lockout looming, its unknown territory.


Maybe 1 is true, or its a combination of 1 and 2, but "staying the course" doesn't always mean the good things Justice seems to imply
I can't understand this line of thinking. Why would McNair not care about winning? Not winning will ultimately equate to less money as fans leave for other teams. In the short term, yes, this would generate more income, but in the long-term he would be seriously regretting that decision.

I find it hard to believe that a man who would pay $700+ million just for the right to start a team would make short-term based decisions. He has to think about his long-term finances in paying off the stadium, paying players and coaches, and revenue sharing. I would expect teams making big splashes constantly to be the franchises interested in making money as those big names would be the kind that would put "fans in the stands" (to quote The Replacements).
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I can't understand this line of thinking. Why would McNair not care about winning? Not winning will ultimately equate to less money as fans leave for other teams. In the short term, yes, this would generate more income, but in the long-term he would be seriously regretting that decision.

I find it hard to believe that a man who would pay $700+ million just for the right to start a team would make short-term based decisions. He has to think about his long-term finances in paying off the stadium, paying players and coaches, and revenue sharing. I would expect teams making big splashes constantly to be the franchises interested in making money as those big names would be the kind that would put "fans in the stands" (to quote The Replacements).
Bob McNair has given away more money than I will make in my entire life.

He has consistently said that the way the team will make more money and add more value to the franchise is by winning.

From the beginning of the franchise, he has mentioned the Steelers as an organization he admires. Easy to talk about not doing knee jerk moves, harder to actually do that when everyone is calling for your head.
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The best teams in the league make their player acquisitions based on what is best for their team, and not what is most popular.
Inferring that the Texans are on track because they are using the template provided by elite franchises like the Packers for success ? Could you give an example of the Texans making a football decision that prempted a decision which would have been more popular with the fan-base on a particular issue, personnel matter, etc ?
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Has Bob read this yet? I can see the comment now.

"The local media says we are on the right track. I have faithy in gary."

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I have no doubt that McNair wants to win. And by the same token, I have no doubt that the other 31 owners want to win. That's pretty much a no-brainer. It's good for business if nothing else.

However, understanding how to achieve a consistently winning franchise is where McNair is nothing like the teams mentioned. They do not tolerate perpetual mediocrity. They simply don't. McNair does, and makes excuses for why he does. It's his team, so he gets that luxury. But it's obvious that he has not hired the right people for the job.

Thanks to Captain Obvious for writing this article.

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Inferring that the Texans are on track because they are using the template provided by elite franchises like the Packers for success ? Could you give an example of the Texans making a football decision that prempted a decision which would have been more popular with the fan-base on a particular issue, personnel matter, etc ?
Good questions. I do not think other teams take into account our team's commitment to "stability, patience and building through the draft" when they play us. If only the NFL gave out shiny participation ribbons! We've have 9 of them hanging from the rafters of Reliant!
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Could you give an example of the Texans making a football decision that prempted a decision which would have been more popular with the fan-base on a particular issue, personnel matter, etc ?
Seriously?

Keeping HWWNBN certainly the last year but most likely the year before if we are talking majority.
Not drafting VY or Bush.
Keeping Kubiak.

They may be bad football decisions but they certainly were not the more popular decisions.
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I've said for the last few years we're building a very stable organization that could be a dynasty.

The only catch is we're not winning. If we start winning, I think we would have a core that would last for years.

Whether the current group can do that or not is a whole other thread.
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Seriously?

Keeping HWWNBN certainly the last year but most likely the year before if we are talking majority.
Not drafting VY or Bush.
Keeping Kubiak.

They may be bad football decisions but they certainly were not the more popular decisions.
This may be really random, but you're post got me thinking.

I remember when old "Penny-Pincher Bob" and the organization took a serious run a Orlando Pace. Boy how different this team could have turned out if we'd gotten him...
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Default Re: Something here seems so familiar, ARTICLE

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Originally Posted by TheCD View Post
This may be really random, but you're post got me thinking.

I remember when old "Penny-Pincher Bob" and the organization took a serious run a Orlando Pace. Boy how different this team could have turned out if we'd gotten him...
ewww i doubt Pace would of helped solve anything and i bet we still would have 0 play-off apperances.
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