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Old 02-02-2011   #61
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Some of yall sure are eager to spend other folks money. (McNair's).

Maybe you should run for Congress.
I'd say people are eager to win more games than lose and actually see the Texans play a game (or three) in January. Spending money on quality players is directly correlated to this goal.

As far as Congress is concerned, the difference is that they have the power to spend other people's money, even when it's not there. Fans are just doing what fans are supposed to do, talk about the team. Otherwise, this forum is kinda' pointless, 'eh?
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um....it was a joke....

I guess next time I'll use the joke icon. Oops.
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I would rather have Asomugh but Bailey would be an upgrade over Jackson.
Agreed Gary. We need somebody, a legitimate veteran CB. I think everyone's favorite is Asomugha, with good reason. But Champ Bailey or Ike Taylor would both be great signings and do a world of good for this defense.

Watching Taylor in these playoffs has been nice. He's covers receivers well, can actuall turn his head and locate the ball, and is physical/helps in run support. His qualities are the same qualities Rick Smith says he's looking for in a CB.

I'm hoping for Asomugha but know that's a longshot. I'm hoping Taylor will leverage this postseason success, maybe even Super Bowl win, to leave the Steelers on a high note for a good sized contract. His value is high now and he may take advantage of it. I'll gladly take him.
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I'm going to keep saying it. Brent Grimes - the better Atlanta CB.
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I'm going to keep saying it. Brent Grimes - the better Atlanta CB.
I would be happy with Grimes, Taylor or Jonathan Joseph. More realistic options to me. Love to have Aso or Bailey, but probably not going to happen. Grimes & Joseph are both still young and would look great in a Texans uni.
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Grimes is a free agent?
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um....it was a joke....

I guess next time I'll use the joke icon. Oops.
I kinda' figured. I was sort of piggybacking your post to make a point, as I've seen others get upset about fans 'spending' owners' money. If I had to power to spend that money, it wouldn't be on players. It'd be on a new truck and a trip to Hawaii!
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Grimes is a free agent?
Yes. The question is what rules they will put in place for UFA, RFA if they reach a new CBA.
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How many big name FAs has Cleveland signed? San Francisco? Buffalo? Detroit? Has Arizona signed any big name FAs? & they've been to the Super Bowl.

I don't know that we don't go after FAs... agents are probably telling us don't bother from the get go.
then you have to get a coach in here that players will want to come and play for. someone that legitimizes the whole team and players would trust that things were going to change and get better.

I would also like to point out that all of those ownership groups you mentioned are probably the worst/least competitive ownership groups in the NFL.

Cleveland. Lerner is a horrible owner who, like McNair, gravy-trains off of a rabid football fanbase without fielding a winning product. Now that Holmgren is in charge, things may turn around but I have heard he may leave.

San Francisco. Once home to one of the great owners in the NFL, DeBartolo, now the team suffers amidst owners who inherited the team and could really care less. Just another notch in their portfolio. Now they have called upon Jim Harbaugh to save them and its not going to work out until they get a handle on the QB position.

Buffalo. Rich is an elder statesman of the league and deserves some measure of respect. However, his team has sucked for a decade and a half and then there is the whole matter of 35-3. Screw Buffalo.

Detroit. The Ford family has driven that franchise into the dirt. So many embarassments but I guess there is always Barry Sanders giving you the finger and retiring and then we always have 0-16 to admire.

All these owners have not been effective owners. Now you want to compare Houston with them to support McNair's efforts at attracting top talent to this team? all this does is show a co-relation between not spending money and not winning football games. Teams like the Jets, Bears, Atlanta, and Kansas City were all aggressive in fixing their football teams this past offseason. They all took different routes but they were AGRESSIVE and got the job done.

Teams like the Chargers and Texans went cheap and missed out on the playoffs..
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All these owners have not been effective owners. Now you want to compare Houston with them to support McNair's efforts at attracting top talent to this team? all this does is show a co-relation between not spending money and not winning football games. Teams like the Jets, Bears, Atlanta, and Kansas City were all aggressive in fixing their football teams this past offseason. They all took different routes but they were AGRESSIVE and got the job done.

Teams like the Chargers and Texans went cheap and missed out on the playoffs..
Yes, you are correct. It is totally possible that the Texans were just plain cheap this offseason.

However, I believe players don't want to come to Houston. We have not seen any player go to another team for more money...... well, we've seen Bodden & Pace stay with their original team, but that's different. We have seen players go to other teams... David Givens.

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Other names

Champ Bailey
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Jonathan j

Anyone prob would help us.

Or do we get another top rookie cb in the draft ????
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Yes, you are correct. It is totally possible that the Texans were just plain cheap this offseason.

However, I believe players don't want to come to Houston.
Out of all of the lame excuses that you've given either Mcnair or Smithiak over the years, this just may be the sloppiest one yet Seriously where do you pull this drivel from? Players don't want to come to Houston? So what you're essentially saying is that we're geographically screwed. We're up shit's creek without a paddle and we can't be fixed. That's just nonsense and there's a gazillion examples around the NFL over the last 20 years that disprove that theory about any team.

You ever heard of the Bucs?? They were garbage for a very long time. They were jokes of the league. Once Dungy got in there and brought in some real talent, some quality free agents, and built a nice unit they were a contenders and even won a SB.

Ever heard of the NE Patriots? Horrible jokes of the league. Bill Parcells went in there and got them to a SB very quickly. They went back into becoming door mats again and a Bill Parcells assistant named BB made them into a multiple SB winner where free agents begged to go to. Not because they won a SB, but because they weren't afraid to spend money and because they got players "to buy in". Players knew that BB was about business.

You bring in coaches and a staff that has the ability to bring change to your organization and changes a losing attitude. People thought Kubes could do that when Capers had a 2-14 season. You don't give a guy that many years to do it though if he fails and fails hard which Kubiak has. You change up again, and try it with someone else. We just had a shot at an all time great in Cowher, and we said no thanks. We said that we're on the right track with Smithiak.


Again a sloppy excuse. Any franchise in the NFL can get what they want by selling their vision for their future and by spending market value money on players. You don't win jack without spending. And part of being a HC and a GM is being a salesman. Just because you're not a college coach doesn't mean that you don't recruit. That's part of the job in the NFL as well for coaches that actually are committed.
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wow i just copied and pasted the story why it put spaces i dont know ill edit it sorry
Don't worry about it. Most of this board turns into assholes whenever there is no more Texans football for the year. As much as they may hate Texans football.
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Out of all of the lame excuses that you've given either Mcnair or Smithiak over the years, this just may be the sloppiest one yet Seriously where do you pull this drivel from?
When you see my name, you instantly think "excuse" so you don't see what I've said. Instead, you see/hear what you think I said.
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Players don't want to come to Houston? So what you're essentially saying is that we're geographically screwed. We're up shit's creek without a paddle and we can't be fixed. That's just nonsense and there's a gazillion examples around the NFL over the last 20 years that disprove that theory about any team.
It's not about geography, I never said any such thing.
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You ever heard of the Bucs?? They were garbage for a very long time. They were jokes of the league. Once Dungy got in there and brought in some real talent, some quality free agents, and built a nice unit they were a contenders and even won a SB.
& Dungy did it with Sapp, Rice, Brooks, Barber, Lynch, etc.... players he drafted. He took his expertise (defense) brought in another strong defensive mind (Kiffen) & made one of the best defenses of all time.

That was a long time ago, but I can't remember what FAs he was able to bring to Tampa before establishing a tradition of winning.
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Ever heard of the NE Patriots? Horrible jokes of the league. Bill Parcells went in there and got them to a SB very quickly. They went back into becoming door mats again and a Bill Parcells assistant named BB made them into a multiple SB winner where free agents begged to go to. Not because they won a SB, but because they weren't afraid to spend money and because they got players "to buy in". Players knew that BB was about business.
I bet if you go back & look it wasn't until after they became winners that people wanted to go to New England. Not necessarily a Super Bowl, but winners with a shot.
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You bring in coaches and a staff that has the ability to bring change to your organization and changes a losing attitude. People thought Kubes could do that when Capers had a 2-14 season. You don't give a guy that many years to do it though if he fails and fails hard which Kubiak has. You change up again, and try it with someone else. We just had a shot at an all time great in Cowher, and we said no thanks. We said that we're on the right track with Smithiak.
I'm in complete agreement with you here. Never said any different.

except, I don't know if our team still has a losing attitude, or if they expect to win. It's hard to tell from where you & I sit. Bob has a much better view. You don't trust Bob, I get that.

I also don't know how serious Cowher wanted to come to Houston. I have no reason to believe he was any more serious than Orlando Pace, David Givens, or Leigh Bodden.
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Again a sloppy excuse. Any franchise in the NFL can get what they want by selling their vision for their future and by spending market value money on players. You don't win jack without spending. And part of being a HC and a GM is being a salesman. Just because you're not a college coach doesn't mean that you don't recruit. That's part of the job in the NFL as well for coaches that actually are committed.
Again, I agree. I've never seen anything to suggest McNair is cheap as you & so many others have stated. We spent crazy, stupid money to get guys in here like Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Anthony Weaver, Jaques Reeves. He threw money away on guys like David Carr & Dunta Robinson. He continues to bend over, spread his cheeks & hand money over to Andre Johnson (admit it, not many teams would have paid that man, big time, three times in less than a 6 year period).

So I'm throwing out the cheap argument. Smithiak's ability to bring in the big names..... I'm waiting to see what they do this offseason. I think they have done a poor job bringing in those big names. I think a better GM would have been able to do a better job.

In summary, I think Kubiak should have been sent packing after 2010. I believe Rick Smith ought to be on the hot seat this offseason (should have been last year, after not finding someone other than a rookie from Alabama to replace Dunta).

Unlike you, I am not going to pretend I know McNair enough to make the assumptions you have, and insult a man I don't know.

Bad juju....
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I wish they would come to a new CBA agreement but that does not look likely.
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When you see my name, you instantly think "excuse" so you don't see what I've said.
I think the more accurate perception is that you play both sides of the fence.

You'll say some things that show you're anti-establishment, and then you'll say some things that show you're pro Bob.

I wonder if the angst toward you is due to a perception that you're conveniently setting yourself up to be on the "right side" of whatever comes down the pike?

In reality, I think you're trying to be a moderate and examine all sides of the issue. That doesn't sit well with some people. There's a certain personality style that desires to pick a side and root root root for the old home team no matter what, full steam ahead and damn the torpedos.
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I'm going to keep saying it. Brent Grimes - the better Atlanta CB.
Correct. I suspect that he gets the Tag though, assuming they still have one. Ideally IMO we get him and Joeseph's. That fixes the CB issue pretty well then Von Miller or Houston in the draft and a NT in the draft along with some upgrade/development guys at the safety spots. Probably can't fix all the defensive issues, but that would be a decent start.
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No, he hasn't slowed down a bit. Some Raider fans would like him to be more "active" on the field and get more INTs, but the dude barely gets thrown to! He's only given up 1 TD in the past 3 seasons...the guy is the definition of a shutdown corner. However, the amount we would have had to pay for him this next season just is not worth it. I think it was in the ballpark of 17-18m. I'm still hoping we can sign Aso to a more reasonable contract, but if not the $ we save can be put to keeping some of our other players like Seymour, Bush, etc.
My understanding is Oakland had nothing to do with him becoming a FA unless you count agreeing to a stupid incentative clause. Look this guy is a probowler and can cut off 1/2 the field. He instantly makes your Dline better & does not require a safety over the top allowing them to cheat to your #2 CB. We can afford him especially with some guys not coming back... Wilson @ FS, Walter @ WR. and other to give McNair some cash to throw.
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Default Re: Houston Texans: Nnamdi Asomugha is the Missing Link for the Texans Secondary

He may be the missing link, but that link that will be never be found.
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