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Old 02-02-2011   #81
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No it's not the definition of hindsight 20/20 shit, though I can certainly see why you would feel that way and would expect nothing less than that response from you. You're a disgusting apologist for this owner and team and the only time you ever sound even remotely realistic is when you're trying to lay down a semi-solid foundation for your next Texans excuse.

Nobody in their right mind picks David Carr over Julius Peppers to be the first pick of an expansion team.... particularly following the glaring example that had just been made of Tim Couch in Cleveland under the exact same circumstances. No, David Carr wasn't that P.O.S. that left Houston when he got here. He was just an incredibly bad decision for this team at that time.

Lead off with a rookie QB who you can't protect because he's charismatic and loves him some Jesus. "Face of the franchise" indeed.
I disagree there hervy. For 1, Carr was thought to be a top pick to begin with.. 2, There's a reason qb's bust more than any other position in the 1st round & that's b/c it's the most important position on the field & franchise qb's are tough to come by...but if you get 1...you're set for 10 years. For those few reasons alone i have to believe that most any other team regardless of whether or not they were an expansion franchise or not would've done the same thing we did & took Carr. Were there some who would've taken peppers over carr? Of Course, but the allure of possibly landing the franchise qb i think would've been too much for any team in need of a qb to resist.


Starting him from day 1 when it was apparent we couldn't protect him on the other hand......that's another story.
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I disagree there hervy. For 1, Carr was thought to be a top pick to begin with.. 2, There's a reason qb's bust more than any other position in the 1st round & that's b/c it's the most important position on the field & franchise qb's are tough to come by...but if you get 1...you're set for 10 years. For those few reasons alone i have to believe that most any other team regardless of whether or not they were an expansion franchise or not would've done the same thing we did & took Carr. Were there some who would've taken peppers over carr? Of Course, but the allure of possibly landing the franchise qb i think would've been too much for any team in need of a qb to resist.


Starting him from day 1 when it was apparent we couldn't protect him on the other hand......that's another story.
You make a very valid point. QB is the only position on the field where you can't really afford to have 2 or 3 players that excel at one thing. Unless you have a Mike Vick or maybe the wildcat you must find one guy that does everything. You know you can bring in a passrushing specialist.. or a run guy in certain situations... but you can't bring in a deep ball specialist.

Sometimes reading this thread you get the impression that Bob is out there wondering how he can put a bad team on the field and still make money. I doubt there is anyone in the NFL who wants to put a bad product on the field. The truth of the matter is everyone is trying to build a winner. There are 32 teams that are influenced by forces mostly outside their control. In essence you are competing with 32 other puzzle builers for the same pieces to build your own version of a puzzle. And honestly the analogy doesn't make much sense becaue building a football team is complicated. Its just frustrating to watch people talk about Bob like he put more money than you or I will see in our lives out.. and he set out to try and lose games and still make money.



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What is clearly and painfully obvious is that players do not improve when they become Texans. The successful teams have a FO, training staff, and coaches that bring in good talent (scouting dept.) and improve these players (coaches, trainers). We have not seen any noticeable improvement in these areas, and from what we can gather on the outside looking in, McNair is very loyal to his employees, to the point that he will not let them go to be replaced with better people at those
Are you strictly speaking about FAs or draft picks, too?

Matt Schaub? Has he not improved since being here? Andre is the same player he was when he was drafted? Kevin Walter? Dominick Davis during his playing days? Was Steve Slaton not improved before he had the neck injury? DeMeco? Zac Diles?

What constitutes improvement? I see players all over the league have roller coaster years. I just want to get on the same page here. I am in no way saying the team is doing an excellent job in terms of scouting, but I think that when they find talent, that talent definitely improves. I feel our WRs have probably the best coaching in the league, but that doesn't mean they are the most talented (with the exception of AJ of course). Our o-line definitely improved in the running game this year, is that not in the same category you're using?

I really feel our lack of talent comes from scouting. I think the coaching is there, and it seems that we always either try to fit a square peg in a round hole, or find a marginal talent that would be great as a backup, coach him up a little and expect him to be the answer to that positions glaring needs.
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Are you strictly speaking about FAs or draft picks, too?

Matt Schaub? Has he not improved since being here? Andre is the same player he was when he was drafted? Kevin Walter? Dominick Davis during his playing days? Was Steve Slaton not improved before he had the neck injury? DeMeco? Zac Diles?

What constitutes improvement? I see players all over the league have roller coaster years. I just want to get on the same page here. I am in no way saying the team is doing an excellent job in terms of scouting, but I think that when they find talent, that talent definitely improves. I feel our WRs have probably the best coaching in the league, but that doesn't mean they are the most talented (with the exception of AJ of course). Our o-line definitely improved in the running game this year, is that not in the same category you're using?

I really feel our lack of talent comes from scouting. I think the coaching is there, and it seems that we always either try to fit a square peg in a round hole, or find a marginal talent that would be great as a backup, coach him up a little and expect him to be the answer to that positions glaring needs.
what makes you say 'the coaching is there'?

we have had 5 years and it has clearly shown us the coaching is NOT there. Nothing coaching-wise shows us that the coaching is there. Some is there, as in yeah the offense is ok.
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what makes you say 'the coaching is there'?

we have had 5 years and it has clearly shown us the coaching is NOT there. Nothing coaching-wise shows us that the coaching is there. Some is there, as in yeah the offense is ok.
I would say that the offense is more than ok. I am with you in certain areas that are coaching is deficient in, but I think it is more than disingenuous to say our coaching is not there. If our coaching was that bad, then there wouldn't be any hope of us being competitive in as many games as we were throughout the year. However, the coaching could definitely use an upgrade.
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5-7 four yrs in a row,

Yeah BoB is committed to winning a championship. LOL
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Committed to winning a championship and knowing how to do so are two different things.

I honestly do not doubt his commitment.
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Committed to winning a championship and knowing how to do so are two different things.

I honestly do not doubt his commitment.
History says otherwise, what has BoB done to make you not question his Commitment.

He says a championship is all that matters. The same week that season ticket renewals are going out to his season ticket holders. Coincedence, I think not.

BoB cant be this bad at putting a terrible product on the field after a decade of owning this team. If BoB was as dumb as you make him out to be there's no way his other businesses would have been successful enough to be able to have the $$$$ to buy the team in the 1st place.

It's all part of the con BoB puts on the GREAT FANS of the HOUSTON TEXANS.

I know you wont change your mind. if 4 straight 5-7 starts to the season and not firing Gary isn't enough to make you realize that your being conned nothing will.

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Matt Schaub? Has he not improved since being here? Andre is the same player he was when he was drafted? Kevin Walter? Dominick Davis during his playing days? Was Steve Slaton not improved before he had the neck injury? DeMeco? Zac Diles?
Schaub I'll grant you. And that should be the case with a HC who was a former NFL QB, QB coach, and OC.

But Walter? I like the guy, but what constitutes improvement? His numbers have dropped every year since the 2007 season.

How about Jacoby Jones? Dude has definitely not improved, and it could be argued that he's regressing.

AJ is a beast. Dude was a beast when he got here. He actually made HWWNBN look like a somewhat competent QB. He's the kind of HoF player that would just improve on his own, regardless of team or coaches. Legendary players have a habit of being that way.

DD? One good year. Perhaps better trainers could have helped improve his performance after his injury? Who knows, pure speculation, but you can't argue that he improved.

Slaton? Dude, please. He can't even be a good kick returner, much less an average RB right now. How many teams would have him start? Or backup? Hes barely third on our roster, and hes a healthy Tate away from being jettisoned altogether.

How about Cushing? Shell of who he was as a rookie. The same could be said about Ryans, a Rookie of the Year that has not lived up to the potential that most folks have seen in him. Still a solid player, but not reaching the greatness that was predicted and expected of him.

Heck, you can pretty much take anyone from the defense and make a solid case that they regressed in 2010. It's not hard to do when the D is ranked at historical lows.

We can play this game all day, though. And that's the point. A case can be made, either way, some more convincing for either side depending on the player. But, it is clear that it is not such a huge improvement that it's a no brainer. The fact that it can be legitimately argued from both sides supports my point.
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I'll have to give the offensive side their due.
how much turnover has there been since Kubiak?

Calhoun, sherman, shanahan,Dennison?

and their has been some stability however the offense was sporadic.

Defensively.the Texans tried to go cheap (well did) the Texans have never had a strong figure on that side of the ball... (I have no idea what Ray Rhodes job really was) ... I don't know what Kubiak was thinking there.

His buddy system on the offense has been good, too bad the buddy system on the defensive side has countered that.

here to change with Wade coming in !
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and for whatever reason.. when players come to the Texans, after their first year here, their play goes backwards ... yeah, that is coaching
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I know you wont change your mind. if 4 straight 5-7 starts to the season and not firing Gary isn't enough to make you realize that your being conned nothing will.

Koolaid is good.
That's just stupid.
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That's just stupid.
What's stupid?

If a HC goes 5-7 four yrs in a row and doesn't get fired. What will get him fired? I refuse to believe it is taking Billionaire BoB over a decade to figure out how to run a championship quality football team.

After four 5-7 starts in a row winning a championship isn't a priority for BoB and probably never was. Look at the HC's and their staffs that they had. That tells me winning isn't that important to BoB. If it was Kubiak would've been fired after the 2009 cupcake schedule/Browns' fiasco.

The marketing arm is all that BoB cares about. Or Larry Johnson would've been a Texan. Schobel really wanted to play for the Texans in 2010 and the Texans didn't sign him. Why? $$$$ The Texans had a need for a pass rusher and Brady said he was glad that Schobel retired because of all of the pressure Schobel put on him. I dont believe for a moment that Schobel was in bad enough shape that he couldn't help the Texans historically bad defense. But BoB believed he wasn't worth the $$$$ or he didn't want to pay the $$$$. Oh well that's water under the bridge maybe BoB has changed his ways. But the burden of proof is on BoB to put his $$$ where his mouth is and hire the best AC's and get the best players to help his team win as possible. Otherwise BoB's just blowing smoke up his fanbase a** again this yr. (Remember last yrs playoff or bust thing that BoB was touting last yr) Just to sell a few more tickets.


For all of the positive stats you put out. I can give you 2 stats that matter the most 5-7 and 0 playoff appearances.

TK, do you think that it's a coincedence that BoB starts talking about a SB the week ticket renewals come due? Come on your not that niave are you?
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What's stupid?

If a HC goes 5-7 four yrs in a row and doesn't get fired. What will get him fired?
That does not define a con. You make it sound as if that's the plan. "bwahahahahahahahha
We'll go 5-7 over the first twelve games .....

and collect one... hundred... billion dollars."


You don't think Dr. Evil would equate winning more games with bringing in more money?
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TK, do you think that it's a coincedence that BoB starts talking about a SB the week ticket renewals come due? Come on your not that niave are you?
You do know I've got over three months to pay up don't you?
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The marketing arm is all that BoB cares about. Or Larry Johnson would've been a Texan. Schobel really wanted to play for the Texans in 2010 and the Texans didn't sign him. Why?
Larry Johnson? Really? What did he do this year? And Schobel was so out of shape it would have been a long time until he was ready to play. C'mon Man! Come up with something better than that!
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Larry Johnson? Really? What did he do this year? And Schobel was so out of shape it would have been a long time until he was ready to play. C'mon Man! Come up with something better than that!
There is no doubt in my mind, had we picked up Larry Johnson at our bye in 2009, the Texans would have made the play-offs.

No doubt in my mind.
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There is no doubt in my mind, had we picked up Larry Johnson at our bye in 2009, the Texans would have made the play-offs.

No doubt in my mind.
That's fine. But what did you see out of Larry Johnson in 2009 or 2010 to support that? Lets see... after he was signed by Cinci he gained 204 yds. Wow!

2010? He gained a whopping 2 yards! Yeah, big difference there? And what happened with him after he was cut by the Redskins after game 2? Who did he play for?
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That's fine. But what did you see out of Larry Johnson in 2009 or 2010 to support that? Lets see... after he was signed by Cinci he gained 204 yds. Wow!

2010? He gained a whopping 2 yards! Yeah, big difference there? And what happened with him after he was cut by the Redskins after game 2? Who did he play for?
Johnson ran for over 100 yds in a couple for the Bengals in 2009.

We disagreed last yr on Schobel.

Nothing has changed.

I do respect your opinion though.
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Johnson ran for over 100 yds in a couple for the Bengals in 2009.

We disagreed last yr on Schobel.

Nothing has changed.

I do respect your opinion though.
I respect yours also. That's what it's all about.
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I'll have to give the offensive side their due.
how much turnover has there been since Kubiak?

Calhoun, sherman, shanahan,Dennison?

and their has been some stability however the offense was sporadic.

Defensively.the Texans tried to go cheap (well did) the Texans have never had a strong figure on that side of the ball... (I have no idea what Ray Rhodes job really was) ... I don't know what Kubiak was thinking there.

His buddy system on the offense has been good, too bad the buddy system on the defensive side has countered that.

here to change with Wade coming in !
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and for whatever reason.. when players come to the Texans, after their first year here, their play goes backwards ... yeah, that is coaching
This isn't something exclusive to players on the texans roster & coaching staff though, it happens to players all over the league & its usually b/c said player gets exposed.

It happens to players all over the league, for winning & losing teams, its just myopic of us as texans fans to think that only our players regress... Bottom line is, guys who can play will show up or hold relatively steady, guys who can't will eventually get exposed.
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