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Old 01-31-2011   #21
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Interesting read. I found this part to be enlightening:



I have always been under the impression that he sought their advice in the beginning, but this paints an entirely different picture.

I do not question his desire to win. To me, at least, that's a no brainer. You spend a billion on a football team, you damn sure want to win. However, that being said, I think the learning curve and loyalty issues have really cost him in the past 9 seasons. Hopefully his decisions pay off in 2011 (provided there's a season, of course). A decade of futility is good for nobody in this city, owner included.
This makes his previous statement that the other owners think that we are on the right tract that much more ridiculous.
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This makes his previous statement that the other owners think that we are on the right tract that much more ridiculous.
That crossed my mind, too, as well as mentions in the past of owners recommending Casserly as a GM.

Part of me wants to give him the benefit of the doubt...perhaps out of pity, maybe a dash of Texans fan optimism (not much there to be honest), and chalk it up to just being ignorant on running a football team...but then, I'm as cynical as they come and completely see where Mr. White and Herv are coming from with the ticket sales angle. The timing of this 'interview' supports the latter more than it does the former.
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No playoffs next season = new...everything damn near.

Kubiak is ****ed if he starts 0-2.
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Kubiak is ****ed if he starts 0-2.
Hopefully for his sake Houston doesn't face a combination of Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New Orleans or Atlanta in the first two games then.
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No playoffs next season = new...everything damn near.
I thought 2009 was the Year of No Excuses?

The value of the franchise is meaningless? Does McNair think we are a bunch of rubes that don't understand the value of borrowing against appreciating assets?

And where does McNair get off on criticizing Carolina or Jacksonville? Those franchises have yet to win championships, but both have had tangible success. The Texans have attained squat. I'm glad that Houston has a NFL team and that someone ponied up the $$$ to obtain one. But the NFL has a license to print money, so spare me the idea that McNair risked anything.

The more McNair opens his mouth, the more I realize that he is the wrong man to head a NFL franchise. "They never showed us how to setup for the draft." Good grief, Bob McNair.

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No playoffs next season = new...everything damn near.

Kubiak is ****ed if he starts 0-2.
I'll believe that when I see it, honestly this "make or break" season..... is starting to sound more and more like "WOLF, WOLF!!"
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I think people talk out of both sides of their mouthes when it comes to this kind of stuff.

I was mad as hell about our team last season. I even stopped going to games which was a big deal because I don't know if I'll be close enough to attend games next year. I was furious.

At the same time, I can't say that I see Bob being willfully negligent. I can't say that i think he's pinching pennies where it isn't necessary. What, if anything, would I do in his shoes?

He has let football people run the football team. At least that's what I see. When he didn't have it right, he brought in a football mind to fix the situation. I think he's too patient with Kubiak, and maybe Kubiak should be gone... but the first guy to get the team to respectability in the teams history takes a step back.... I don't know if I'd fire him either. I mean in today's "win now or get fired" model look at the teams that follow the fire them after 3 or 4 years... guess what... they wind up doing it with another coach for another 3 or 4 years.

The league is decidedly average. In fact, the entire nfl has a winning percentage of .500 every year. The teams that have been successful long term have done so with continuity. Think the Shanahan era was all roses? Did he suddenly forget how to coach? He coached well in 3 year stints. Look at Dallas. Since Jimmy Johnson left they have had kind of random success. Parcells had one good year there. His first. After that, he never won 10 games again. How many wouldn't kill for Parcells here?

There have been 3 staples of the last 8 years. The Steelers, the Colts, the Pats. Guess what. They've had 2 coaching changes between them.

Now sure they've gotten good coaches, but I can show you a litany off coaches who were great and retired or took time off, then came back and were unable to duplicate their success... and jettisoned after a few years. Did they suddenly forget to coach? Did Gibbs forget? What about Jimmy Johnson? Parcels wasn't the same. There are decidedly average coaches who move on and become great. Think NE is glad that Cleveland gave Billy the boot? Could he have replicated his success if he was kept in Cleveland?

Oh and now someone's going to go all "Mora, Harbaugh, Payton" on me. Can I see your coach and raise you a QB? All three of the overnight success stories include a new QB. And I can show you new QBs that fail.

I guess my point having gone back and looked at franchise records is that the argument for "do you get rid of Kubiak" isn't as cut and dry. Its not "get rid of him you cheap bastard". There is nothing that will increase Mcnair's revenue like winning. I mean look at some of the decisions he could have made.

I tell you what. Since HWWNBN somebody tell me a mistake that has set this team back half a decade. There isn't one. Yeah we haven't gone out and signed the "Surefire" FA. Guess what. We don't have an Albert Haynesworth, Mcnabb, Cromartiesque" disaster on our hands either. In fact name the HUGE FA signings that have made teams better. I'm really curious to see what people come up with. I can think of a few but there are a lot more that worked out like the most recent triplets in Cincy than those that worked out like Montana to KC.

Sorry. Stream of consciousness while looking all over footballreference.com, if it didn't make sense maybe I'll try to put it to music later.

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The teams that have been successful long term have done so with continuity.
Why do some teams have continuity? Because they are winning. No one keeps the same organization around when they lose. No one except the Bengals and the Texans, anyway.
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Hopefully for his sake Houston doesn't face a combination of Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New Orleans or Atlanta in the first two games then.

If those are the only teams you think he should be worried about,................you've just probably made Kubiak one happy son of a gun.
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Wow...

The more McNair speaks the more I am disappointed with him.

He comes off as a football simpleton.
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Also, the more I hear McNair the more I think Kubiak has done a better job than I've given him credit for.
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You know what I'd love to see? A Bob McNair parody of the LeBron James "what should I do" commercial. It would be hilarious.

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Why do some teams have continuity? Because they are winning. No one keeps the same organization around when they lose. No one except the Bengals and the Texans, anyway.
Well its kind of a chicken/egg argument. Has Pittsburgh just been lucky to have 3 amazing coaches in a row for like a 30 year span? Did ownership just pick the right guy?

I will ask again. Is Billy a better coach because he's in the hellhole known as Mass instead of Cleveland? Was the Dungy that was fired by Tampa somehow better as a coach in Indy? Explain Gruden?

Do Indy,NE and Pitt have the only 3 good coaches in the league? Is Harbaugh any good? Fischer was considered great by many. Would you want him here? I believe him to be a decidedly average coach who benefited from continuity. oh, and his first several years.. yeah... VERY average.

If anything, over the last 5 years you can tie a teams success to the QB more than any other player. Without an absolutely awful defense, this is a playoff team.

And maybe firing Kubiak IS the right move. I'm just not sure. If the success of the QB determines the success of the team, all other things being equal... then brining in Phillips and giving Kubiak "Reidesque" responsibilities may very well be the model for success.

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Wow...

The more McNair speaks the more I am disappointed with him.

He comes off as a football simpleton.
If he's a football simpleton, I'm ok with that. I'd rather have a football simpleton of an owner like Bob Kraft than a football genius like Daniel Snyder.

Its no secret that Bob is learning on the job... as long as he learns, I'm ok with it. I hope he learns that he knows absolutely nothing. That his job is to sign a check and he needs to have football people make football decisions. Then you just hope that you get good football people. (The answer to the question I asked lucky, in my opinion, is that the organizations have good football people in place. They have excellent turnover and groom people well. The owners aren't "football experts"... they hire football experts and keep talent in house. Cincy, Det, Oak, Dallas all have either "expert Owners" or change guys all the time. Neither system works well if you ask me.

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Maybe Bob should hire someone to edit what hes going to say before he says it so he doesnt sound like a moron. I mean really, panthers made it to the super bowl and jaguars to the Championship game and he thinks we are better franchise? We have yet to make the playoffs and hardly managed our first winning season. I find it funny how he talks about how bad those 2 teams are now yet the jaguars beat us this season. Granted, it was a fluke play but a win is a win and that unsuccesful jaguars team lately still managed to get 2 more wins than us.
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Well its kind of a chicken/egg argument. Has Pittsburgh just been lucky to have 3 amazing coaches in a row for like a 30 year span? Did ownership just pick the right guy?

I will ask again. Is Billy a better coach because he's in the hellhole known as Mass instead of Cleveland? Was the Dungy that was fired by Tampa somehow better as a coach in Indy? Explain Gruden?

Do Indy,NE and Pitt have the only 3 good coaches in the league? Is Harbaugh any good? Fischer was considered great by many. Would you want him here? I believe him to be a decidedly average coach who benefited from continuity. oh, and his first several years.. yeah... VERY average.

If anything, over the last 5 years you can tie a teams success to the QB more than any other player. Without an absolutely awful defense, this is a playoff team.

And maybe firing Kubiak IS the right move. I'm just not sure. If the success of the QB determines the success of the team, all other things being equal... then brining in Phillips and giving Kubiak "Reidesque" responsibilities may very well be the model for success.

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If he's a football simpleton, I'm ok with that. I'd rather have a football simpleton of an owner like Bob Kraft than a football genius like Daniel Snyder.

Its no secret that Bob is learning on the job... as long as he learns, I'm ok with it. I hope he learns that he knows absolutely nothing. That his job is to sign a check and he needs to have football people make football decisions. Then you just hope that you get good football people. (The answer to the question I asked lucky, in my opinion, is that the organizations have good football people in place. They have excellent turnover and groom people well. The owners aren't "football experts"... they hire football experts and keep talent in house. Cincy, Det, Oak, Dallas all have either "expert Owners" or change guys all the time. Neither system works well if you ask me.

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The difference between Snyder and McNair is that Snyder is a football simpleton who THINKS he is a football expert, while McNair is a football simpleton who KNOWS he is not a football expert. If McNair continues to fail to put the right decision makers in place or allows the decision makers to continue to fail, his team will not fair any better than Snyder's has.
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More than anything, this interview reinforces what a total disaster Casserly was. If there had to be one landmine for McNair to step on, that was it. Dom Capers is in a Superbowl, and Casserly got bitchslapped by Belichick last we heard.

Very true. It's not like he reaps dividends like it's a stock. The only thing that matters when talking about the team's monetary value is cap space.
Excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by the bolded? Just asking.
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