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Old 01-19-2011   #21
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I think McShay does College Football all season long. He has watched lots of game film, but lacks NFL exposure of Kipper who has his longtime inside sources. The combination of the two would be much improved. Kinda like myself with rmartin65 & badboy when we do our best work
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Mayock is the best...
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Man.. AJ Green falling out of the top 5? wish we had that no.6 pick back
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can't view youtube @ work will revist @ home. but the problem with Mike is he gets terrible man crushes & cannot be swayed into common sense sometimes, but I really enjoy his work. Did anyone else notice he did the Seahawk Saints playoff game, how refreshing he was & passionate? He makes an excellent color anaylst if lucky enough to catch him next year check it out.
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This is from another thread where I posted this but this is really off

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...y-Romo-938.ece
Yeah and according to passer rating Cam Newton is the best College passer EVER.

My eyes don't rate him that highly....

Maybe I'm wrong.
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I wish he'd start posting 2011 opinions/mocks?
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He is good, but in my opinion,Rick Gosselin is the best.
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I don't see the Titans drafting a 3-4 OLB in their 4-3 defense plus they need a QB I just don't see them drafting Von Miller makes no since now the Dallas Cowboys is different story as the guy opposite Demarcus Ware hasn't lived up to his first round status.
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I don't see the Titans drafting a 3-4 OLB in their 4-3 defense plus they need a QB I just don't see them drafting Von Miller makes no since now the Dallas Cowboys is different story as the guy opposite Demarcus Ware hasn't lived up to his first round status.
They may bring in Mangini as DC. And he may switch to a 3-4
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Hey guys, I haven't paid enough attention to Cam Newton's play; I just wonder how do you guys see it:

What did VY have (at UT) and what kind of potential did people (those who really liked VY as an NFL prospect) saw in him that Newton doesn't have?
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Hey guys, I haven't paid enough attention to Cam Newton's play; I just wonder how do you guys see it:

What did VY have (at UT) and what kind of potential did people (those who really liked VY as an NFL prospect) saw in him that Newton doesn't have?
A position.

Newton will likely have to change positions in the NFL according to some.
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Notice that they both dont post mocks until very late. There is just too much movement right now for anyone to be accurate. Thats why they wait, so they can be much more exact.
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Hey guys, I haven't paid enough attention to Cam Newton's play; I just wonder how do you guys see it:

What did VY have (at UT) and what kind of potential did people (those who really liked VY as an NFL prospect) saw in him that Newton doesn't have?
With VY as will be with Newton, it's the dual threat that people will drool over.

There's not anything that VY had that Newton doesn't have. He has everything that VY had & then some imo. Both are big strong kids whose biggest assets were their legs. Newton also appears to be more of a polished passer (notice i didn't say accomplished passer) coming out of college than VY was from a mechanics standpoint & he also played in a pro-style offense which VY clearly did not. Newton also shined & did what he did in the best conference in america. But you hit the nail on the head with your post....Newton's biggest problem will be that people will look at him & think about VY & his progress as a passer so far. That will cause him to drop unless he shows exceptionally great at his pro day.
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he also played in a pro-style offense which VY clearly did not. .

Newton played in far from a pro-style offense...
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It was closer to a pro style than VY's.
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It was closer to a pro style than VY's.
Neither played in a pro style offense. It doesn't really matter who's was less pro style because neither is even close.
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With VY as will be with Newton, it's the dual threat that people will drool over.

There's not anything that VY had that Newton doesn't have. He has everything that VY had & then some imo. Both are big strong kids whose biggest assets were their legs. Newton also appears to be more of a polished passer (notice i didn't say accomplished passer) coming out of college than VY was from a mechanics standpoint & he also played in a pro-style offense which VY clearly did not. Newton also shined & did what he did in the best conference in america. But you hit the nail on the head with your post....Newton's biggest problem will be that people will look at him & think about VY & his progress as a passer so far. That will cause him to drop unless he shows exceptionally great at his pro day.
Now that I've have a chance to study his game (instead of casually watching), my humble opinion is with you.

From what I see, Newton is a better pro-prospect that VY or Tebow out of college.

Also, out of the 4 games I study, he was under center 13 times.
(Also, there was a little clip of him out of center for Blinn College).
Those situations showed quite a bit to me.
I'd like to learn a little bit more before coming back to this.

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It was closer to a pro style than VY's.
gus malzahn's offense isn't even close to being a pro offense. most, if not all, of his passing plays this past season were basically designed to be 1 read for cam. there were no progressions.
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gus malzahn's offense isn't even close to being a pro offense. most, if not all, of his passing plays this past season were basically designed to be 1 read for cam. there were no progressions.
I disagree!
You cannot have a one-read spread offense.

Where did you get that it was designed to be 1-read for cam to begin with?

Now we need to remember, these collegiate QBs (the majprity of them), no matter what offense they are in, seldom can make past the second read.
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Cam knew exactly where he was going with the ball prior to the play starting at Auburn. The playcalling was extremely orchestrated and precise. He did not have to make any reads at all. Go back and watch when he throws the ball. It's usually off a fake end-around, pump fake here, throw here. Fake hand off, throw here.

He was never required to read a defense.

Both he and Vince were in about as far as you can get from a pro-style offense.

Vince was a much better runner than Cam.
Cam has a better throwing motion, more zip on his passes.

Vince dominated the MNC game.
Cam folded for the most part and let a true freshman lead the way.

That is the main difference. NFL GM's drooled over Vince's ability to lift his play, and the play of his teammates in pressure situations.
Cam fell apart when he was put up against the other top team in the nation, and he looked no where near as dominant.

Th difference between the two starts there.

Also, I always think back to the Run n Shoot days with the Houston Cougars. Fool me once with Andre Ware, fool me again with Klingler....but then the GM's were not going to be fooled again.

They may have been fooled in their eyes into thinking Vince would be a great NFL qb. They see Cam as being Vince part two, so they already know now what that type of guy can or cannot do in the NFL.
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