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Old 01-18-2011   #1
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I do think Texans got this one right:

One Last Dunta Robinson Post -- We Told You So, Atlanta
by Rivers McCown Jan 18, 2011 7:01 AM CST

After a season in which the Texans pass defense managed to be one of the worst in NFL history, the obvious and easy story was to contrast their success with that of the Falcons. The Falcons, after all, had just plundered "star" CB Dunta Robinson from the Texans for $57 million. They were 13-3. The #1 seed in the NFC. The one with the solid defense. The kind of team Texans fans wished that they could have seen built.

While most of that may be true, the fact remains that Robinson still wasn't any good this year. As we've documented many times here, Robinson's large contract was matched in scale only by the number of accolades piled on him without any acknowledgment that he just doesn't have the deep speed to be a good cornerback anymore.

Falcons fans watched in horror as Aaron Rodgers and the Packers just destroyed their defense. 50+ points were in reach for the Packers had they needed them. 31-36, 366 yards, 3 TD's for Rodgers. For Packers star receiver Greg Jennings: 8 receptions, 101 yards. How many passes thrown at Jennings were defensed? One. Guess who did it? Christopher Owens.

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---One player who will have to step up his game for the Falcons next season is corner Dunta Robinson. He signed a big contract as a free agent last spring and was a disappointment. Brent Grimes, the other corner, outplayed him. Robinson needs to become a most consistent player. The Falcons need him in a division with good quarterbacks.
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So much for all the talk about how the arrivals of rookie linebacker Sean Weatherspoon and free-agent cornerback Dunta Robinson had made this defense solid. The Falcons were the No. 1 seed in the NFC and they got torn up at home by the No. 6 seed.
Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith, depending on who you think has more power over the defensive outfit, have deservedly taken a lot of heat for going with Kareem Jackson and not being able to bring in a real cornerback to compete and mentor all the youngsters last offseason. As graphic and awful as the Texans secondary was last year because of this, at least the Texans managed to not give a bad cornerback $57 million because there was no one "better" out there. They do deserve some credit for that.


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I agree that they got the "Dunta Decision" correct.

Unfortunately, it doesn't excuse their failure to acquire a known-good Veteran CB in the offseason to replace him. Trial-by-fire this year was a DISMAL failure. When you're dead-last in the league for Pass Defense, you made more than one bad choice, you simply suck.
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After a season in which the Texans pass defense managed to be one of the worst in NFL history, the obvious and easy story was to contrast their success with that of the Falcons. The Falcons, after all, had just plundered "star" CB Dunta Robinson from the Texans for $57 million. They were 13-3. The #1 seed in the NFC. The one with the solid defense. The kind of team Texans fans wished that they could have seen built.

While most of that may be true, the fact remains that Robinson still wasn't any good this year. As we've documented many times here, Robinson's large contract was matched in scale only by the number of accolades piled on him without any acknowledgment that he just doesn't have the deep speed to be a good cornerback anymore.

Falcons fans watched in horror as Aaron Rodgers and the Packers just destroyed their defense. 50+ points were in reach for the Packers had they needed them. 31-36, 366 yards, 3 TD's for Rodgers. For Packers star receiver Greg Jennings: 8 receptions, 101 yards. How many passes thrown at Jennings were defensed? One. Guess who did it? Christopher Owens.

Did that message reach anyone after the game? Actually, a few:





Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith, depending on who you think has more power over the defensive outfit, have deservedly taken a lot of heat for going with Kareem Jackson and not being able to bring in a real cornerback to compete and mentor all the youngsters last offseason. As graphic and awful as the Texans secondary was last year because of this, at least the Texans managed to not give a bad cornerback $57 million because there was no one "better" out there. They do deserve some credit for that.


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Some really good points here although Im curious of how much his success (or lackthereof) was related to scheme. In any case, Im still happy we didnt over pay for this guy like ATL did.

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Yeah, if there is a window to trim big money before the CBA and new Cap take effect, Dunta is the first guy cut. He has been fairly awful this year.
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Probably would have won four or five more games and been in the playoffs all they had to do is overpay Dunte. What are you talking about?
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Probably would have won four or five more games and been in the playoffs all they had to do is overpay Dunte. What are you talking about?
That's sarcasm right?
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Interesting article..... I'll say that. I'll also add, judging from what I've seen from Dunta Robinson, in his entire career here, I can't think of any area of a CBs responsibility that he could have mentored Kareem Jackson in, save run support (& he's a shell of the player he used to be in that department as well).

I'm not one to bag on people, especially people I don't know. But I absolutely have no problem saying we wasted time & money franchising Dunta Robinson in 2009. I have to imagine it was another heart-felt reach out by Bob McNair.... can't fault him for that, it's his money, his player. But the feelings weren't being reciprocated. The money offered was more than generous (if the rumors were correct) he declined, we should have let him walk.... we didn't get anything for him anyway.

But, this article doesn't really get to the heart of the matter, & blames Dunta for that loss.... more or less. But the parts of the game I watched, the corner that outplayed Dunta got thrown towards at least 3 times to every 1 time Rogers threw at Dunta.
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I agree that they got the "Dunta Decision" correct.

Unfortunately, it doesn't excuse their failure to acquire a known-good Veteran CB in the offseason to replace him. Trial-by-fire this year was a DISMAL failure. When you're dead-last in the league for Pass Defense, you made more than one bad choice, you simply suck.
Well, the article did bring up a good question.

Do you think the coaches said those veteran corners weren't good enough for this team?

Do you think the bean counters determined those veterans weren't worth the price tag?

Or

Do you think Rick Smith is not very good at selling the Houston Texans?
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Well, not supporting Dunta - but Atlanta did have a quality defense all season long and even moreso at home it seems. Atlanta just picked a bad time to have one of there worse overall defensive showings this season, so they'll highlight the most visible issues.
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Dunta Robinson is a highly overpaid piece of crap. Didn't regret them not signing him then, didn't regret them not signing him when we were historically bad in pass coverage, and don't regret them not singing him now. He's a cry baby, overrated, and a vastly overpaid loser.
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This is ridiculous...Not saying you Ozzo but some in here...

Anyone who watched that game saw that it was mostly grimes getting his lunch ate. The only reason Grimes was even playing is b/c I believe 1 of thier cb's was out--Brian Williams.

Yeah, dunta gave up some plays..still doesn't mean he wasn't a solid corner for them this year. Their defense was solid all year for the most part. He was part of crop of players brought in to help them improve they're woeful secondary..& he did just that.

It's also ridiculous that we have people in here saying we made the "right" decision regarding dunta when our secondary had more holes in it than a hobo's underpants essentially b/c we were unable to fill the void he & reeves left. Its funny b/c In one vein lots of these same folks are crying about us not ever going after the top FA's & in the other you're reading stuff like this.

Newsflash, If we do hit FA & get the best FA's out there, i'm about 99% sure we'll be overpaying a great deal for whomever that is b/c...what for it..... that's the name of the game. I'm also certain that no matter how good that player is, they likely won't deserve what they are getting. We know about the Haynesworth debacle but as good a Peppers is, even he did not deserve the contract he got. Yeah, yeah he likely won't see all of it but it is arguable that he even deserved the 40 mil or so that he is guaranteed....not for a guy with questions about his motor & work ethic....

You think Champ Bailey or Asomaguha are gonna come here for anything "fair" to the team? Nope, they're gonna do exactly what Dunta did & maximize their value.

So...get over it, Ricky & Gury screwed the pooch with the Dunta situation.
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This is ridiculous...Not saying you Ozzo but some in here...

Anyone who watched that game saw that it was mostly grimes getting his lunch ate. The only reason Grimes was even playing is b/c I believe 1 of thier cb's was out--Brian Williams.

Yeah, dunta gave up some plays..still doesn't mean he wasn't a solid corner for them this year. Their defense was solid all year for the most part. He was part of crop of players brought in to help them improve they're woeful secondary..& he did just that.

It's also ridiculous that we have people in here saying we made the "right" decision regarding dunta when our secondary had more holes in it than a hobo's underpants essentially b/c we were unable to fill the void he & reeves left. Its funny b/c In one vein lots of these same folks are crying about us not ever going after the top FA's & in the other you're reading stuff like this.

Newsflash, If we do hit FA & get the best FA's out there, i'm about 99% sure we'll be overpaying a great deal for whomever that is b/c...what for it..... that's the name of the game. I'm also certain that no matter how good that player is, they likely won't deserve what they are getting. We know about the Haynesworth debacle but as good a Peppers is, even he did not deserve the contract he got. Yeah, yeah he likely won't see all of it but it is arguable that he even deserved the 40 mil or so that he is guaranteed....not for a guy with questions about his motor & work ethic....

You think Champ Bailey or Asomaguha are gonna come here for anything "fair" to the team? Nope, they're gonna do exactly what Dunta did & maximize their value.

So...get over it, Ricky & Gury screwed the pooch with the Dunta situation.
Got friends who are big Falcon fans, he was consistently their weak link on D. Saying he is anything but below average is a strait up lie. We wouldn't have been much better this year with him. Maybe a one game difference.
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Interesting article..... I'll say that. I'll also add, judging from what I've seen from Dunta Robinson, in his entire career here, I can't think of any area of a CBs responsibility that he could have mentored Kareem Jackson in, save run support (& he's a shell of the player he used to be in that department as well).

I'm not one to bag on people, especially people I don't know. But I absolutely have no problem saying we wasted time & money franchising Dunta Robinson in 2009. I have to imagine it was another heart-felt reach out by Bob McNair.... can't fault him for that, it's his money, his player. But the feelings weren't being reciprocated. The money offered was more than generous (if the rumors were correct) he declined, we should have let him walk.... we didn't get anything for him anyway.

But, this article doesn't really get to the heart of the matter, & blames Dunta for that loss.... more or less. But the parts of the game I watched, the corner that outplayed Dunta got thrown towards at least 3 times to every 1 time Rogers threw at Dunta.
I believe it had more to do with the season Dunta was having prior to the injury. He's done the same for Owen Daniels. I think Daniels was still showing something though.

Every game I saw of The Falcons, the only thing I kept saying was Somethings Never Change. I still saw Dunta lining up so far off the receiver that he was right next to the first down marker, I still saw him trailing his receiver, and I still saw him get eaten in the endzone.
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I believe it had more to do with the season Dunta was having prior to the injury. He's done the same for Owen Daniels. I think Daniels was still showing something though.

Every game I saw of The Falcons, the only thing I kept saying was Somethings Never Change. I still saw Dunta lining up so far off the receiver that he was right next to the first down marker, I still saw him trailing his receiver, and I still saw him get eaten in the endzone.
This. Green Bay ate his lunch last week.
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This. Green Bay ate his lunch last week.
Rodgers & Green Bay ate EVERYONE lunch on ATL's defense last week, what's your point? ATL had just beaten them earlier in the year where GB only scored 17 pts. Where was all this then? They just ran into a buzz saw as GB has been in playoff mode for about 4 weeks now..it happens.
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Rodgers & Green Bay ate EVERYONE lunch on ATL's defense last week, what's your point? ATL had just beaten them earlier in the year where GB only scored 17 pts. Where was all this then? They just ran into a buzz saw as GB has been in playoff mode for about 4 weeks now..it happens.
My point is that post injury Dunte became a diva and his play does not warrent that anymore.
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Anyone who watched that game saw that it was mostly grimes getting his lunch ate. The only reason Grimes was even playing is b/c I believe 1 of thier cb's was out--Brian Williams.

Yeah, dunta gave up some plays..still doesn't mean he wasn't a solid corner for them this year. Their defense was solid all year for the most part. He was part of crop of players brought in to help them improve they're woeful secondary..& he did just that.

It's also ridiculous that we have people in here saying we made the "right" decision regarding dunta when our secondary had more holes in it than a hobo's underpants essentially b/c we were unable to fill the void he & reeves left. Its funny b/c In one vein lots of these same folks are crying about us not ever going after the top FA's & in the other you're reading stuff like this.

Newsflash, If we do hit FA & get the best FA's out there, i'm about 99% sure we'll be overpaying a great deal for whomever that is b/c...what for it..... that's the name of the game. I'm also certain that no matter how good that player is, they likely won't deserve what they are getting. We know about the Haynesworth debacle but as good a Peppers is, even he did not deserve the contract he got. Yeah, yeah he likely won't see all of it but it is arguable that he even deserved the 40 mil or so that he is guaranteed....not for a guy with questions about his motor & work ethic....

You think Champ Bailey or Asomaguha are gonna come here for anything "fair" to the team? Nope, they're gonna do exactly what Dunta did & maximize their value.

So...get over it, Ricky & Gury screwed the pooch with the Dunta situation.


Absolutley not. Paying him what he wanted would have been a HUGE mistake. They screwed the pooch in finding a replacement for him. Big difference.
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I do think Texans got this one right:

One Last Dunta Robinson Post -- We Told You So, Atlanta
by Rivers McCown Jan 18, 2011 7:01 AM CST
Way to wait until the Falcons get knocked out of the PLAYOFFS by the hottest team in the league to unleash this story.

Total horse crap. The entire Falcons D was Rogers *****.
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