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RagingBull · 01-13-2011

The Denver broncos are now supposedly switching back to the 4-3. The Texans are switching to the 3-4.

Would you trade Mario Williams for Elvis Dumervil straight up.

Both will be coming off of injuries; Dumervil had a torn pectoralis if you do not recall.

What say you?

Carr Bombed · 01-13-2011

yes

JB · 01-13-2011

No.

steelbtexan · 01-13-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by RagingBull

The Denver broncos are now supposedly switching back to the 4-3. The Texans are switching to the 3-4.

Would you trade Mario Williams for Elvis Dumervil straight up.

Both will be coming off of injuries; Dumervil had a torn pectoralis if you do not recall.

What say you?

No way

If the Broncos wanted to trade the #2 pick for Mario. I would be all over that.

2slik4u · 01-13-2011

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Originally Posted by JB

No.

I say no, just because JB's profile pic conviced me to side with him.

JB · 01-13-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2slik4u

I say no, just because JB's profile pic conviced me to side with him.

My TT friends gifted me on my birthday with that lovely pair...

RagingBull · 01-13-2011

Dumervils Sack #s:

2006 8.5 (Rookie)
2007 12.5
2008 5
2009 17
2010 Did not play.

Career Total: 43 Sacks, 129 Tackles, 1 Interception, 10 forced fumbles

Mario:
2006: 4.5 (Rookie)
2007: 14
2008: 12
2009: 9
2010: 8.5

Career Total: 48 Sacks, 230 Tackles, 0 Interceptions, 10 forced fumbles
39.5 Sacks, 209 Tackles, 0 Interceptions,

2slik4u · 01-13-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB

My TT friends gifted me on my birthday with that lovely pair...

Hopefully not just the picture but the actual.....

JB · 01-13-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2slik4u

Hopefully not just the picture but the actual.....

Dammit! I should have known I was getting shortchanged!

machineo · 01-14-2011

Elvis has come from a more volatile system in Denver. They switched to 3-4 with McD and even worse he's had a different DC every season he's been playing. All but one of those seasons he's produced admirably, and really broke out last season. Not high tackle totals so maybe he doesnt play the run as well, but DJ Williams is as much of a tackle magnet as Demeco is.

The guy's tiny though, he's not even 6' tall.

Wolf6151 · 01-14-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

No way

If the Broncos wanted to trade the #2 pick for Mario. I would be all over that.

^^^^^This^^^^^

**beerlover** · 01-14-2011

#2 pick & Elvis

IDEXAN · 01-14-2011

If say Dallas were going 4-3, I'd hop all over a trade even up for Demarcus Ware, but I'd need some "boot" with Dummerville. Plus isn't the Elvis injury more serious, more uncertain re his recovery than Marios ?

TEXANRED · 01-14-2011

No.

While we are at it why don't we trade AJ for Eddie Royal.

nero THE zero · 01-14-2011

I was thinking yesterday about how I'd trade Mario to them for the 2nd pick plus a 2nd or 3rd.

You'd get Fairley or Peterson with that second pick plus an OLB or DE with our pick.

And, Denver's line would be nasty with Mario and Dumervill on the ends.

Blake · 01-14-2011

Only if they throw in their 3rd string TE for Foster. Then I say pull the trigger.

**Texan_Bill** · 01-14-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB

No.

Not no.......... But **** NO!!!!!!!

**Texan_Bill** · 01-14-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Only if they throw in their 3rd string TE for Foster. Then I say pull the trigger.

I might sign off on that.

El Tejano · 01-14-2011

Okay, my brother and I were talking about this the other day. I was talking about how certain players (specificly Mario and Antonio) didn't look very happy about the move to a 3-4 defense. When I said that, what I thought was a knee jerk response, his reaction was "just put Mario on the trade block". After hearing him out and several times saying he was crazy I came to realize that he made alot of sense. Here were some things I argued why you don't and here are the responses he mentioned:

1. Mario is a premier pass rusher and you don't get those often

Yes, while Mario is a great pass rusher, Mario was brought in to make our team a better pass rushing team - 4 years later we are still at the bottom in that category. Him being a premiere pass rusher is going to get people to bring in some big time trades.

2. He never had a real defensive Coordinator that played to his strengths.

True, but let's take a look at Mario's strengths. Sacking the QB, that's probably not going to be something he does alot of in the new defense. Mario would get stopped alot one on one with a decent OT. In the new defense he's going to have to fight off a triple team almost every snap, sure that will free up someone but in the 3-4 that can be done with alot of DEs. Even a guy like Gary Walker was successful in a 3-4 scheme.
Stopping the run, if anything, is the one strength that would allow Mario to shine in that stat. But do you want one guy on the defense to stop the run or would you rather get rid of one player who can bring you a 3-4 DE that stops the run and possibly a LB or CB or Safety?

3. Mario has never had the "guy on the other side".

I know that. We have to ask why though. Seems like every pass rusher who is someone in the league always has a "guy on the other side" though, so we have to ask why? You can easily point blame on the organization because they won't spend money, however, look at the face of our franchise - Andre Johnson. They haven't spent too much money on the WR corp and while Kevin Walter is a good player, he isn't forcing any double teams away from Andre Johnson yet Andre still plays at a high level pretty much every game. The reason why Mario doesn't have that guy on the other side is because more often than not, Mario is being contained rather easily. You said yourself that Mario's sacks only come when he wants to play hard.

4. You can't say he doesn't care because he plays injured.

And that right there is the number one reason why I feel Mario has no room to be upset about the scheme change and if he is we should put him on the trade block. Let see, 2006 plantar fascitus, 2007 Shoulder injuries 2008 Hip Pointers, 2009 Groin Injury, 2010 Sports Hernia. DE is a tough position and noone is questioning his toughness because if anything, you can count on Mario to play every Sunday and as a fan that wanted Vince, I can say that I was dead wrong and the team made the right choice on just his toughness alone. However, that's too many injuries for my liking and a unhealthy Mario probably is the reason why he's being contained alot more than other standout DEs in the league. An unhealthy Mario, is probably the reason for a few losses that were because of a lack of pass rush.
I'm a big fan of Mario. When I saw how he was getting dissed around in the media, I took offense and when I saw him overcome all that, I was very proud. However if losing Mario brings us a draft or players like The Cowboys obtained when they traded Herschel Walker, you gotta do what's best for the team.
Now if Mario can be a team player and give W.Phillips a chance to see if he can make him a player like Bruce Smith was under his tutaledge, then Mario has to stay.

Ole Miss Texan · 01-14-2011

I actually wanted us to trade for Dumervil when we ran the 4-3 and have him as a pass rush specialist. But no way do I trade Mario for him.

Wade has said he's going to play Mario to his strengths and let him get after the QB. He's not going to be asket to take on triple teams. He's going to play farther outside than a typical 3-4 DE.

Now, if some team was offering up the farm for him I think we'd be fools not to consider it. But I think Mario can really excel with Phillips.

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01-13-2011	#1
RagingBull Hall of Shame Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 363 Rep Power: 1116	Would you trade... The Denver broncos are now supposedly switching back to the 4-3. The Texans are switching to the 3-4. Would you trade Mario Williams for Elvis Dumervil straight up. Both will be coming off of injuries; Dumervil had a torn pectoralis if you do not recall. What say you?

01-13-2011	#3
JB Old Curmudgeon Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Willis Age: 56 Posts: 21,536 Rep Power: 9120	Re: Would you trade... No. __________________ Thanks to False Start for the sig

01-13-2011	#7
RagingBull Hall of Shame Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 363 Rep Power: 1116	Re: Would you trade... Dumervils Sack #s: 2006 8.5 (Rookie) 2007 12.5 2008 5 2009 17 2010 Did not play. Career Total: 43 Sacks, 129 Tackles, 1 Interception, 10 forced fumbles Mario: 2006: 4.5 (Rookie) 2007: 14 2008: 12 2009: 9 2010: 8.5 Career Total: 48 Sacks, 230 Tackles, 0 Interceptions, 10 forced fumbles 39.5 Sacks, 209 Tackles, 0 Interceptions,

01-14-2011	#10
machineo Rookie Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 84 Rep Power: 232	Re: Would you trade... Elvis has come from a more volatile system in Denver. They switched to 3-4 with McD and even worse he's had a different DC every season he's been playing. All but one of those seasons he's produced admirably, and really broke out last season. Not high tackle totals so maybe he doesnt play the run as well, but DJ Williams is as much of a tackle magnet as Demeco is. The guy's tiny though, he's not even 6' tall.

01-13-2011	#2
Carr Bombed Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Wherever the US govt. sends me Posts: 12,619 Rep Power: 18500	Re: Would you trade... yes

01-14-2011	#12
beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,358 Rep Power: 15075	Re: Would you trade... #2 pick & Elvis __________________ 2012 Draft was Mercilus

01-14-2011	#13
IDEXAN Hall of Fame Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Challis, ID Age: 47 Posts: 5,100 Rep Power: 9363	Re: Would you trade... If say Dallas were going 4-3, I'd hop all over a trade even up for Demarcus Ware, but I'd need some "boot" with Dummerville. Plus isn't the Elvis injury more serious, more uncertain re his recovery than Marios ?

01-14-2011	#14
TEXANRED Texan-American Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 37 Posts: 5,965 Rep Power: 12236	Re: Would you trade... No. While we are at it why don't we trade AJ for Eddie Royal. __________________ I am in an abusive relationship with life and I am to cowardly to leave it. - Homer Simpson.

01-14-2011	#15
nero THE zero Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Spring Age: 29 Posts: 2,426 Rep Power: 5332	Re: Would you trade... I was thinking yesterday about how I'd trade Mario to them for the 2nd pick plus a 2nd or 3rd. You'd get Fairley or Peterson with that second pick plus an OLB or DE with our pick. And, Denver's line would be nasty with Mario and Dumervill on the ends. __________________ "You always hear about how tough they are and all that stuff," Orton said. "I don't think they are tough. I think they are cheap..."

01-14-2011	#16
Blake MMQB Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Spring Section: 551/B Posts: 9,595 Rep Power: 14926	Re: Would you trade... Only if they throw in their 3rd string TE for Foster. Then I say pull the trigger.

01-14-2011	#19
El Tejano Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,748 Rep Power: 6842	Re: Would you trade... Okay, my brother and I were talking about this the other day. I was talking about how certain players (specificly Mario and Antonio) didn't look very happy about the move to a 3-4 defense. When I said that, what I thought was a knee jerk response, his reaction was "just put Mario on the trade block". After hearing him out and several times saying he was crazy I came to realize that he made alot of sense. Here were some things I argued why you don't and here are the responses he mentioned: 1. Mario is a premier pass rusher and you don't get those often Yes, while Mario is a great pass rusher, Mario was brought in to make our team a better pass rushing team - 4 years later we are still at the bottom in that category. Him being a premiere pass rusher is going to get people to bring in some big time trades. 2. He never had a real defensive Coordinator that played to his strengths. True, but let's take a look at Mario's strengths. Sacking the QB, that's probably not going to be something he does alot of in the new defense. Mario would get stopped alot one on one with a decent OT. In the new defense he's going to have to fight off a triple team almost every snap, sure that will free up someone but in the 3-4 that can be done with alot of DEs. Even a guy like Gary Walker was successful in a 3-4 scheme. Stopping the run, if anything, is the one strength that would allow Mario to shine in that stat. But do you want one guy on the defense to stop the run or would you rather get rid of one player who can bring you a 3-4 DE that stops the run and possibly a LB or CB or Safety? 3. Mario has never had the "guy on the other side". I know that. We have to ask why though. Seems like every pass rusher who is someone in the league always has a "guy on the other side" though, so we have to ask why? You can easily point blame on the organization because they won't spend money, however, look at the face of our franchise - Andre Johnson. They haven't spent too much money on the WR corp and while Kevin Walter is a good player, he isn't forcing any double teams away from Andre Johnson yet Andre still plays at a high level pretty much every game. The reason why Mario doesn't have that guy on the other side is because more often than not, Mario is being contained rather easily. You said yourself that Mario's sacks only come when he wants to play hard. 4. You can't say he doesn't care because he plays injured. And that right there is the number one reason why I feel Mario has no room to be upset about the scheme change and if he is we should put him on the trade block. Let see, 2006 plantar fascitus, 2007 Shoulder injuries 2008 Hip Pointers, 2009 Groin Injury, 2010 Sports Hernia. DE is a tough position and noone is questioning his toughness because if anything, you can count on Mario to play every Sunday and as a fan that wanted Vince, I can say that I was dead wrong and the team made the right choice on just his toughness alone. However, that's too many injuries for my liking and a unhealthy Mario probably is the reason why he's being contained alot more than other standout DEs in the league. An unhealthy Mario, is probably the reason for a few losses that were because of a lack of pass rush. I'm a big fan of Mario. When I saw how he was getting dissed around in the media, I took offense and when I saw him overcome all that, I was very proud. However if losing Mario brings us a draft or players like The Cowboys obtained when they traded Herschel Walker, you gotta do what's best for the team. Now if Mario can be a team player and give W.Phillips a chance to see if he can make him a player like Bruce Smith was under his tutaledge, then Mario has to stay.

01-14-2011	#20
Ole Miss Texan Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,633 Rep Power: 10804	Re: Would you trade... I actually wanted us to trade for Dumervil when we ran the 4-3 and have him as a pass rush specialist. But no way do I trade Mario for him. Wade has said he's going to play Mario to his strengths and let him get after the QB. He's not going to be asket to take on triple teams. He's going to play farther outside than a typical 3-4 DE. Now, if some team was offering up the farm for him I think we'd be fools not to consider it. But I think Mario can really excel with Phillips. __________________ #99 JJ Watt - Dream Big Work Hard

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