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Old 04-08-2005   #21
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U4 you said it before me, because I have been eluding to McNair's comments for sometime with respect to the O-line. I'm beginning to wonder if the last minute stab at Pace was perhaps a panic move. McNair was adiment about protecting Carr and I have a feeling people didn't hear him. I see zero reasons for optomism so far concerning the O-line. People point to Wand, Wiegert, and perhaps most of all, McKinny as the culprits. Wiegert more that he's not doing as well as they expect. Wand or McKinny seem to be the concensus problems depending on who is talking. I tend to blame the blocking scheme changes for a running game that didn't fit, McKinny, Capers and the O-line coachs. For whatever reason McKinny seems to be the fair haired boy and does little wrong. The O-line is a disaster from every point of view, coaching, players and results. So far absolutely nothing has been done to change that view. So if I were McNair I would be letting people know that I'm less than happy about what has occurred so far. The draft will be the final chapter. If we take take no linemen, then I say kiss the upcoming season goodbye. We have similar problems with the D-line too. Our line coaches have not set the world on fire and Capers is going to be held accountable for that. Apparently Palmer has some culpibility for the O-line as well. Sometimes there is fire where there is smoke.
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Is that 9-7 or 10-6?

9-7, ,lol, thanks infantrycak, 9-7
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I think it pretty much looks like a consensus, we either have a winning season this year or the fans want at least one head to roll. My pick would be Palmer. He was saying last year that we had so much improvement in offense, moving into the middle of the pack yardage-wise. Well we had AJ and DD in their second years, that accounts for all of the improvement. If DD has over 50% of the touches on offense again this year, we're not going over .500 and I'm blaming Palmer. There is no creativity in the play-calling and there has been no teaching of Carr how to look off defenders or perform a proper fake-handoff on a play-action pass. I remember watching a MNF game in 2003 where they ran the week's look at the Ram's preparing to play the Brown's. The Ram's defense said you never had to worry about the Brown's QB looking you off, either Holcombe or Couch. Guess who taught those two QBs their trade? Were either of them the starter for the Brown's going into last year? Aren't the Brown's looking to take the cast-off QB the 49ers don't draft this year? Palmer is not a teacher. When he was with the Jaguars and their offense moved the ball, they had Bruner in his prime, looking like a young John Elway. He can't teach a non-broken-in QB to save his life. Remember Dan Reeves offense looked good with Elway carrying the team but could never win the big one. Once Reeves was out of the way, they won the next 2 Super Bowls. Let's let our offense open it up. We've got a fine set of triplets with a good TE and a second and third WR even if we lose Bradford. If Wand doesn't show improvement like Pitts did in his 2nd year, let's not flush the season again waiting on him to improve. If we can't get a real LT, move Pitts back out there if Wand shows any sign of not improving. Potential bites; production rules.
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Our O line problem may not be that bad once we have a every down tight end in the lineup. You can better defend what you know is coming, and the defense knows whats coming by the tight end we have in the play.

With that in mind I wonder how many sacks this year wouldnt be sacks if we had a tight end that could block and catch. Yes our line isnt the fortress we would like it to be but shuttling TE in and out makes for an easy play identifier and they know to come on a pass rush or just occupy space.

A Good recieving TE is really a big key to keeping Carr alive and make our offense work. When Capers was in Carolina his leading reciever was who? Wesley Walls a TE. and they went Deep into the playoffs that year.

I think if we take a major step backwards this year then there will be some hot seats. but as long as we keep progressing, They won't be fired. Keep in mind, both the AFC wild cards could have won the NFC North, or West. Not to mention we rarely get blown out of games we are not like the 89 cowboys or the 85 bucs. We play better opponents and we are competitive this year though we need to get over that and win those close ones instead of almost.
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Let's look at our 2005 probably starters vs. last year opening day starters.

QB- Carr
RB- D.Davis
FB- Norris
LT- Wand
LG- Pitts
C- Mckinney(30+)
RG- Weigert(30+)
RT-Todd Wade
TE-Miller/Joppru/Bruener
WR- Johnson
WR2- ????

LE- Gary Walker(30+)
NT-Seth Payne(30+)
RE- Robaire Smith
OLB- Peek
MLB- Wong(29)
MLB- Greenwood
OLB- Babin
CB- Robinson
CB- Glenn(30+)
FS- Coleman(30+)
SS- Earl

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Overall our offense is the same, but another year of experience together can do wonders i give us a marginal improvement in that department over last year. I think we should draft C Chris Spencer at 47 or trade for Jeff Faine whom ive heard is really expendable and the Browns are willing deal him. Weigert should start this season, but i think we should go after a RG in free agency under the age of 28 after this season. We should trade down to draft Clayton or stay and draft Troy Williamson to fill in that WR2 spot for years to come. In a perfect world we get Jeff Faine for a 4th rounder, trade down to get Mark Clayton and pick up a 3rd rounder in return. We release Mckinney and Weigert after this season.

Our defense has had a makeover in the LB corps. Peek is projected to start, we can only hope Ware falls and we pick him up through a trade up in the late 1st. In theory using our 2nd round and one of our (3) 3rd round picks to move up an get him similar to what we did to get Babin. With one of our 3rds we go for Ronald Bartell to groom, and the other 3rd, the best NT to groom. We also make a splash next year in free agency by signing a good 3-4 DE(ala robaire smith) to play the other DE position(assuming G.Funk era is over). We release G.Funk after this season.

I think Trench players take too long to develop so i think we should sign a RG and LE to start after this season. Overall releasing those 3 players should let us be able to go after a solid/premiere RG and solid/premiere LE.

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1) Linebackers-unknown, work in progress
2) Defensive Line-needs to step it up big time
3) Secondary-gave up tons of yardage and TD's last year

4) OLine-is it OK to dream?
5) TightEnd- ????
6) RB- durability,consistency,depth?
7) WideOuts-pressure off AJ
......pass rush,pass protection...I nominate Caper's for Coach of the Decade
if the Texans make it to the play offs next year because that means the
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I think we are in the mix for a wild card. Nobody on this staff is in any more pressure than any other franchise administration. If you look at the numbers and reflect on the play last year, we became a more physical team and did more of the dictating in the flow of the game instead of being dictated to (like a good little expansion team). In the AFC only Peyton Manning, Trent Green, Jake Plummer and Tom Brady threw for more yards than David Carr. The Texans also had 1000 yard WR and a 1000 yard RB in their systems. The time to start talking about replacing your key people is after failure. No way can you call our 3 year rise a failure so far.
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“We’re headed in the right direction,” head coach Dom Capers said. “Are we where we want to be on offense? No. But I know we’re headed in the right direction.”

His quarterback agrees.

“I believe we can be in the playoffs next year,” David Carr said the day after Houston concluded its 7-9 season. “I believe we can compete with any team that we play against and we should beat them.”

The day after the Texans’ previous two seasons, that response would have drawn snickers. But the truth is the Texans proved in 2004 that they can indeed compete with anybody, especially with an offense that improved immensely in Carr’s third season under center.

Houston improved from 31st in the league in total offense to 19th, averaging 52 yards more per outing under offensive coordinator Chris Palmer. Capers cited 10 categories he targeted for improvement and the Texans’ offense advanced in all of them.

“I keep very close track in all areas of whether we’re making progress,” Capers said. “For the most part, we’ve made significant improvement on the offensive side of the ball.”

The numbers are impressive. The Texans had 300 first downs, 63 more than a season ago. Their number of three-and-out series decreased by 27. Houston’s rushing game churned out 117.6 yards per contest, 14 more than in 2003. The Texans threw for 37 more yards per game.

And for the first time, Houston could boast both a 1,000-yard rusher and receiver. Running back Domanick Davis set club records with 1,188 yards and 13 touchdowns. Ditto wide receiver Andre Johnson, whose 79 catches, 1,142 yards and six touchdown receptions earned a trip to the Pro Bowl – a first for a Texans player on offense.
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"In the AFC only Peyton Manning, Trent Green, Jake Plummer and Tom Brady threw for more yards than David Carr."

This is astounding to me. The four guys you mentioned throwing for more yards all have great OLines blocking for them. The type of OL that comes to mind when you think of the best in the league. Carr has arguably the worst pass blocking line in the league and he ranks 5th in the AFC behind those guys. Imagine what he could do with some solid pass protection. He could/will be one of the premier passers in the league.
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I think we are in the mix for a wild card. Nobody on this staff is in any more pressure than any other franchise administration. If you look at the numbers and reflect on the play last year, we became a more physical team and did more of the dictating in the flow of the game instead of being dictated to (like a good little expansion team). In the AFC only Peyton Manning, Trent Green, Jake Plummer and Tom Brady threw for more yards than David Carr. The Texans also had 1000 yard WR and a 1000 yard RB in their systems. The time to start talking about replacing your key people is after failure. No way can you call our 3 year rise a failure so far.
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I believe everything you're saying is true...but still, the fact is these great numbers and improvements have not translated into wins. I know it takes time to build a franchise right but when they talk about how great Carr's numbers were and we have a 1000 back. That's great! But where's wins? You can't win a Super Bowl with great stats. People remember teams that go to the play-offs and compete for the title. Not teams that put up a good fight and have great numbers. I just really hope I'm wrong about this. I want so badly for this team to do well and it seems like all we can do is come up with is excuses.
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I believe everything you're saying is true...but still, the fact is these great numbers and improvements have not translated into wins. I know it takes time to build a franchise right but when they talk about how great Carr's numbers were and we have a 1000 back. That's great! But where's wins?
We finished exactly where I picked them and I thought my expectations were reasonable. I didn't see us being any better than plus or minus one game of .500 last year. We are pretty much exactly where I thought we were going to be going into year 4.
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house cleaning comming? the cleaning lady has already been here as evidenced by the departures of sharper, foreman, and brown.

the texans are mid way into revamping the linebacking core. wong is the only starter left previous to last season...and i dont think he'll be on the team after next season (especially if he moves inside).

i try to maintain an even keel on my expectations and i think 9-7 next season is reasonable. the colts are the colts. the jags will be a better team ,and the titans cant get much worse then they were...with fisher at the helm i still expect them to be competitive. the truth of the matter is our division isnt easy and being in the afc we'll have to earn a playoff spot rather then having it handed to us.

to say we've lost more this offseason then we've gained is unfair because the offseason isnt over. if you feel compeled to say it wait till after the draft when we'll have a much better idea of what cass is trying to do.

and honestly i think you guys look at this team in a "what have you done for me lately" kinda way. there are a number of players on this team who are still maturing and their performance will naturally improve...or should at least be expected to improve. players like:

tony hollings-bennie joppru-antwan peek-chester pitts-seth wand-marcus coleman-kallie wong-glenn earl-robarie smith-seth payne-gary walker-arron glenn-dunta robinson-jason babin-kris brown (and im sure i missed a few)- were all comming off:

a= serious injuries
b= first year in the system and/or first year at a new postion or
c= are rookies or young players that should naturally improve

you guys are used to living in an age of "i want it ,and i want it now" expectations....the nfl does not work that way-
unless ofcourse you'd like to be a one year wonder only to be stuck in a rebuilding process after a 1 and out playoff appearance. lighten up. the texans are on track.
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Carr's yardage totals mimic those of Warren Moon in that the emphasis is
on 'big' yardage #'s and not passing TD's. Moon put up astronomical yds
but that did not translate into points, same direction under Palmer that
Carr is headed.

4 of our 7 victories came against two teams, Jags and Tenn--Texans won
3 of the remaining 12--think the Jags/Tenn have their calendars marked
for us next year?

Final thought. Many of you on this board have preached 'baby steps' with
regard to progress/wins. Now, all of a sudden, you are talking playoffs. The
notion here is that 'all of a sudden' everything will fall into place and those
baby steps will become holes in the ground that the 'Jolly Green Giant' can't
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I think we are in the mix for a wild card. Nobody on this staff is in any more pressure than any other franchise administration. If you look at the numbers and reflect on the play last year, we became a more physical team and did more of the dictating in the flow of the game instead of being dictated to (like a good little expansion team). In the AFC only Peyton Manning, Trent Green, Jake Plummer and Tom Brady threw for more yards than David Carr. The Texans also had 1000 yard WR and a 1000 yard RB in their systems. The time to start talking about replacing your key people is after failure. No way can you call our 3 year rise a failure so far.
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wild card? come on, Casserly would have to have a massive draft to pull that off. Way too many holes on O and D.
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wild card? come on, Casserly would have to have a massive draft to pull that off. Way too many holes on O and D.
Name all these humongous holes that we have...
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i must say there has been no improvement over the o-line this offseason...no one in their right mind can tell me our o-line isn't our biggest problem...capers is so gun hoe about finding his pass-rushing OLB that it seems that he has almost forgotten about the o-line problem...just like a couple years ago...everyone was so focused on trying to find a TE that we over looked solid o-line prospects in order to grab joppru who has done squat since coming here...in my opinion TE should be one of the last positions you look to upgrade not the first...this draft we should draft heavily on both lines and one reciever...i'd leave the DB's alone...unless you get a steal in round 3...as far as runningbacks, quarterbacks, tightends, and special teams guys i'd stick to what we have now

as far as the offense is going...i can't remember how many times towards the end of the season i was yelling at capers to throw it deep to andre...even the stupid annoucers were wondering why after all the success carr and johnson had had on 50+ yd bombs why we weren't trying it more often...there were a couple of games where we didn't attempt a deep ball the entire game...and if palmer says it's because the offense isn't ready that's BS...like i've said in previous posts...if we don't draft atleast 2 o-lineman and 2 d-lineman in this draft we're in deep water...i know capers wants more linebackers but when you improve your d-line the linebackers will improve on their own...you have four solid LB's to start and 2 solid back-ups to throw in the mix...trust them to hold up their end if your d-line can hold up the blockers...carr is ready, johnson is ready...we need an offensive line that is ready
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"Name all these humongous holes that we have..."

Hole #1-- offensive line/no pass protection
Hole #2-- defensive line/no pass rush
Hole #3-- unknown linebacker production
Hole #4-- depth/durability at running back
Hole #5-- #2 WR/pressure off Andre
Hole #6-- Tight End :woot
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no way C.C is on the hot seat, he has done to good of a job with this team, i believe its just a rumor. (I HOPE)
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"Name all these humongous holes that we have..."

Hole #1-- offensive line/no pass protection
Hole #2-- defensive line/no pass rush
Hole #3-- unknown linebacker production
Hole #4-- depth/durability at running back
Hole #5-- #2 WR/pressure off Andre
Hole #6-- Tight End :woot
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2. Our D-Line's main objective isn't to rush the passer, it's to take up blockers and let our LBs get all of the glory
3. Peek should be fine at OLB, but I'm not sure of Wong on the inside
4. Point taken
5. Andre is going to be pressured no matter what, just like TO is, just like Moss is, and just like every other good receiver is...We'll probably get a WR in the draft anyway though
6. Point taken

IMO we have 2 glaring holes on the team: center and ILB, and both of these can be remedied through the draft...
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