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Old 01-06-2011   #1
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Now that we know who are D coach is, and that we will play a 3-4 defense we should compile a list of needs.

NT - A Nick Fairley, Stephen Paea, would go a long way.

DE - Smith, Mario, Mitchell, Okoye. Seems we are covered at DE.

3-4 OLB - Barwin, Cushing. Depends on if Cushing plays inside or out. Robert Quinn or Von Miller would be a nice addition.

3-4 ILB? - Ryans, Cushing. Depends on if Cushing plays inside or out. Greg Jones in the 2nd?

CB - Another CB cant hurt this group.

FS - Not happy at all with Wilson. Nolan still green.

SS - Pollard seems to be struggling in coverage. But is playing great against the run, and provides a good pass rush.
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Three things needed for a great 3-4:

1. A distruptive NT (doesn't have to be a monster, just needs to command double teams)

2. Pass rushing OLB

3. A FS/SS that can bltiz out of the secondary or come into the box to maximize the "Blitzer for nowhere" advantage of the 3-4.

I don't see the Texans having any of these yet. I think Cush goes inside, and Barwin is too big a question mark to count on.

Mark Anderson might be a good OLB though
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Three things needed for a great 3-4:

1. A distruptive NT (doesn't have to be a monster, just needs to command double teams)

2. Pass rushing OLB

3. A FS/SS that can bltiz out of the secondary or come into the box to maximize the "Blitzer for nowhere" advantage of the 3-4.

I don't see the Texans having any of these yet. I think Cush goes inside, and Barwin is too big a question mark to count on.

Mark Anderson might be a good OLB though
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1. A two gap penetrator who can clog the "A" gap.
2. Move Pollard to blitzing OLB position
3. Worst case, Kareem Jackson/Troy Nolan
4. We have everything except that 3-4 NT
5. Yes, upgrades please apply
6. Anderson could be insurance for Barwin?
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From Kubiak's comments the other day I think Pollard is done in Houston, I don't see him back. I've had high hopes Nolan will work out as a S but I think it would be naiive (historically consistent) for us to give him a spot. I think we need legitimate competition at both S spots. I hope a FA + draft pick here.

CB should be address in FA with a veteran.

LB is unkown because of injuries. I think we have some pieces for both the 3-4 and 4-3. We'll need depth at OLB because I think Demeco, Sharpton, Bentley and Diles provide a good ILB base. I don't like any of our current DEs moving to OLB on a full time basis except for Barwin. I think Mario, Smith, Anderson will get seriously exposed in coverage. I'm firmly against Mario moving.

This leaves the DL which has always been an achilles heal. Regardless of what we have, we will need to add a NT via FA and a guy from the Draft (any round to compete or groom). We could use a DE from the draft (starter competition or groom) depending on what the staff thinks of the DEs we got.

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I see our 1st round pick going to DE, NT, OLB (wildcard is WR).
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This leaves the DL which has always been an achilles heal.
The Texans defense I was watching this year showed me that the DL was the best unit we had on that side of the ball. The best part of that is because we had big units at DE, they can still play a role in the 3-4 where little DE's like Freeney/Mathis couldn't.
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This projection is based off of current front 7 players on the roster. They will add some defensive line help via the draft and free agency.

The entire secondary needs to be overhauled /and or at least compete for a starting job instead of having it gift wrapped. Our seondary is miserable regardless of a 4-3 or a 3-4 front. That needs 2 be wade's priority day one.

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Running downs:

rolb- Willaims
irlb - Cushing
illb - Ryans
lolb - Barwin

rde - Okoye
nt - Cody / Lewis
lde - Smith

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rolb - Cushing
irlb - Ryans
illb - Sharpton
olb - Barwin

rde - Willaims
nt - smith
lde - Mitchell
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this advertised switch to 3-4 is really bumming me out, don't know why, but it seems like we are just throwing away the last five years, like the Texans did after the first four years
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Now that we know who are D coach is, and that we will play a 3-4 defense we should compile a list of needs.

NT - A Nick Fairley, Stephen Paea, would go a long way.

DE - Smith, Mario, Mitchell, Okoye. Seems we are covered at DE.

3-4 OLB - Barwin, Cushing. Depends on if Cushing plays inside or out. Robert Quinn or Von Miller would be a nice addition.

3-4 ILB? - Ryans, Cushing. Depends on if Cushing plays inside or out. Greg Jones in the 2nd?

CB - Another CB cant hurt this group.

FS - Not happy at all with Wilson. Nolan still green.

SS - Pollard seems to be struggling in coverage. But is playing great against the run, and provides a good pass rush.
The new mock by Walterfootball has us picking Miller in the 1st. link http://walterfootball.com/draft2011_4.php

They have us taking a FS in the 2nd out of Maryland but I'd much rather have the FS from Oklahoma, Carter. Don't know anything about Tate from Maryland.
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Man after looking at a lot of the prospects and potential draft rankings, this class looks really effing deep at DL (Pass rushing OLB's included). Going by that, and not really seeing any safeties that really pop like Thomas or Berry did last year, I'd have to say that the first pick is going to be somebody that will help either on the DL itself or with quarterback pressure.

All bets are off if Peterson or the guy from Nebraska named Prince declares, but I'm really liking what I see out of a lot of the defensive players. I'm okay if we miss out on Fairley (It's going to happen) because there are plenty of players that look like they will be available who can fit a 3-4. Paea, Von Miller, Clayborn, Quin, Kerrigan, all could probably fit in with what Phillips likes to do.

I also think that having a good crop of QB's is going to help defensive talent fall, and I could totally see Locker going in the top 10 as well as possibly a late riser like Blaine Gabbert.
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Most of these players should be considered first round draft picks. Texans only get 1. Discuss.

******************DL*****************
Nick Fairley, DE/DT, Auburn
Marcell Dareus, DE/DT, Alabama
Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
Cameron Jordan, DE/DT, California
J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State
Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami
Drake Nevis, DT, LSU

******************OLB*****************
Robert Quinn, OLB, North Carolina
Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA
Ryan Kerrigan, OLB, Purdue

******************WR*****************
A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

******************CB*****************
Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
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this advertised switch to 3-4 is really bumming me out, don't know why, but it seems like we are just throwing away the last five years, like the Texans did after the first four years
The last 5 years defensively need to be throw out my friend.
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this advertised switch to 3-4 is really bumming me out, don't know why, but it seems like we are just throwing away the last five years, like the Texans did after the first four years
I'm more stoked about a 3-4 run by wade phillips than a 4-3 that would be run by Richard Smith to be honest. I still don't know why him and Bush got to be coordinators, but at least with Wade you can say that he has experience on his side and has been there before.
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Most of these players should be considered first round draft picks. Texans only get 1. Discuss.

******************DL*****************
Nick Fairley, DE/DT, Auburn
Marcell Dareus, DE/DT, Alabama
Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
Cameron Jordan, DE/DT, California
J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State
Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami
Drake Nevis, DT, LSU

******************OLB*****************
Robert Quinn, OLB, North Carolina
Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA
Ryan Kerrigan, OLB, Purdue

******************WR*****************
A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

******************CB*****************
Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
Since Dareus is a 3-4 DL in college anyways, he would be ideal, but he's going way before the Texans pick. Quinn and Bowers as well.

Pea or Miller seem to be the best that will still be there.

Most might not like it, but getting Blackmon on offense could be a real boon. Get 35 points every game and hope the d holds on.
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I have always been against it, but this might be a year to trade a 1st next year, for a 1st this year.

Take Blackmon at 11, and get our pass rush linebacker or NT.
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I did want to mention that after a little research, a Wade Phillips defense or team is just as likely to draft a WR, RB, QB, CB or OL as they are to draft a DL and rush LB. Even when transitioning a defense to the 3-4.

Just something to consider. We all assume NT or OLB in the first 2 rounds, but that might not be the case.
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I did want to mention that after a little research, a Wade Phillips defense or team is just as likely to draft a WR, RB, QB, CB or OL as they are to draft a DL and rush LB. Even when transitioning a defense to the 3-4.

Just something to consider. We all assume NT or OLB in the first 2 rounds, but that might not be the case.
Its the draft; anything is possible.
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Two premiere 3/4 teams and how they drafted .

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Now that we know who are D coach is, and that we will play a 3-4 defense we should compile a list of needs.

NT - A Nick Fairley, Stephen Paea, would go a long way.

DE - Smith, Mario, Mitchell, Okoye. Seems we are covered at DE.

3-4 OLB - Barwin, Cushing. Depends on if Cushing plays inside or out. Robert Quinn or Von Miller would be a nice addition.

3-4 ILB? - Ryans, Cushing. Depends on if Cushing plays inside or out. Greg Jones in the 2nd?

CB - Another CB cant hurt this group.

FS - Not happy at all with Wilson. Nolan still green.

SS - Pollard seems to be struggling in coverage. But is playing great against the run, and provides a good pass rush.
Champ Bailey wants out of Denver and wants to switch to FS. This to me would be a good pickup for a couple of years as you would upgrade the FS position and have a built in coach on D for our young corners while we are on the field. Just a thought.
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IMO, when considering who we might draft or FA it is important to keep in mind that Wades 34 is a 1 gape style vs. the usual 2 gap. Players are a bit different for them.
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IMO, when considering who we might draft or FA it is important to keep in mind that Wades 34 is a 1 gape style vs. the usual 2 gap. Players are a bit different for them.
I agree! The Philips mold of the 34 calls for lighter quicker penetrators on the DL.



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