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Old 01-10-2011   #81
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The Browns are hiring Juaron as their DC, which means they'll likely be switching to a 4-3. Maybe we could send Okoye and somebody else there for Ahtyba Rubin? Or maybe even Shaun Rogers?

I think Rubin's only 24-25 years old and he ended up starting ahead of Rogers. He had a very good year for a NT.

I know Wade has mentioned his NT's didn't have to be huge, which is fine, but I just can't see Mitchell or Cody being as dominant as the 3-4 needs. And, I'm sorry, but I don't see any position where Okoye would fit in. Especially if Mario and Smith are our DE's. Trade him!
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The Browns are hiring Juaron as their DC, which means they'll likely be switching to a 4-3. Maybe we could send Okoye and somebody else there for Ahtyba Rubin? Or maybe even Shaun Rogers?

I think Rubin's only 24-25 years old and he ended up starting ahead of Rogers. He had a very good year for a NT.

I know Wade has mentioned his NT's didn't have to be huge, which is fine, but I just can't see Mitchell or Cody being as dominant as the 3-4 needs. And, I'm sorry, but I don't see any position where Okoye would fit in. Especially if Mario and Smith are our DE's. Trade him!
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Shaun Rogers is 31 years old. He could play another 4-5 years. I say, get him then draft a mid round NT(say 4th-5th round) to learn from a wily vet. Within 4 years, the rook will be ready to go.
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The Browns are hiring Juaron as their DC, which means they'll likely be switching to a 4-3. Maybe we could send Okoye and somebody else there for Ahtyba Rubin? Or maybe even Shaun Rogers?

I think Rubin's only 24-25 years old and he ended up starting ahead of Rogers. He had a very good year for a NT.

I know Wade has mentioned his NT's didn't have to be huge, which is fine, but I just can't see Mitchell or Cody being as dominant as the 3-4 needs. And, I'm sorry, but I don't see any position where Okoye would fit in. Especially if Mario and Smith are our DE's. Trade him!
I have to agree with the bold - 0k0ye is best suited as an end in the 3-4 and with MW and AS as the starters he's probably not worth keeping around.
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I have to agree with the bold - 0k0ye is best suited as an end in the 3-4 and with MW and AS as the starters he's probably not worth keeping around.
Uh.....was Okoye worth keeping around in the 4/3?
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Uh.....was Okoye worth keeping around in the 4/3?
I'm not sure that the Texans could have unloaded him, really at any point in time without accepting a nice chunk of $$$. That would have been the smart thing to do early........not taking him at 10 would have been smartest. However, you know, this is a "oil" town...........McNair and company always looking for that "long shot" to come in............though usually looking at just a big hole when it's all said and done.
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Uh.....was Okoye worth keeping around in the 4/3?
This. I would hope we could trade Okoye, but the reality is that there isn't one GM in the league that's going to look at the film on him and pull the trigger on anything more than maybe (MAYBE) a 5th. Okoye's a FA in 2012. Give Wade a year to find something to do with him and then let him find his way to the NFL bargain bin.
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What scares me is wade will try and take our current roster and make it into a 3-4 It doesnot work that way u got to turn over at least forty to fifty percent of or d to bring in wades 3-4 people to have something IMO
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INDIANAPOLIS -- New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan is keeping an eye on the Buffalo Bills' defensive makeover.

The Bills are converting from a 4-3 defense under new head coach Chan Gailey and coordinator George Edwards. That will turn the AFC East into a unanimous 3-4 division.

The Bills ran a Tampa 2 defense under former head coach Dick Jauron and his interim replacement, Perry Fewell.

Ryan, considered one of the finest 3-4 masterminds, noted the transformation can be smooth. "I guess that depends on 'Are you changing coverages or is it just the front you are changing?'" Ryan said Saturday at the NFL scouting combine in Lucas Oil Stadium. "There are several different versions of a 3-4. But it depends on your style.

"If the coverages are staying the same, it probably is not as big of a change as what you might think."

The problem for Buffalo, however, is that they're missing the centerpiece of a 3-4 defense: a monstrous nose tackle to stuff the run.

"That might be one of the toughest parts of a 3-4," Ryan said.

Ryan went on to explain why.

(Football jargon alert! "Two-gap responsibility" means a defensive lineman is responsible for either opening beside the offensive lineman in front of him. "A-gap" means the area on either side of the center, a location where defensive linemen frequently will get double-teamed by a center and a guard.)

"If you are playing a standard 3-4 defense, then you got a two-gap responsibility, which means you got to be able to play the front-side A-gap and the backside A-gap at the same time," Ryan said.

"You generally need a dominant individual there. And that is what you have like a Kris Jenkins. A Ted Washington many years ago in Buffalo was one of the best two-gappers I have ever seen.

"A guy has to be active, got to be able to stay on his feet, his technique on releasing off of blocks has got to be outstanding. If not, you are really going to struggle at that spot."
The Texans will have to change their coverage.............and they will have to find that "dominant individual" in the middle............or they could look just as "good" as they did in 2010.
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I have to agree with the bold - 0k0ye is best suited as an end in the 3-4 and with MW and AS as the starters he's probably not worth keeping around.
There may be a lot of times when MW is playing one of the OLB spots. Then your ends would be AS and Okoye.
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The Texans will have to change their coverage.............and they will have to find that "dominant individual" in the middle............or they could look just as "good" as they did in 2010.
Wade doesn't run the "standard" 3-4 where the NT has 2-gap responsibility. That's why he was able to get away with smaller NT's like Jay Ratliff.
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Wade doesn't run the "standard" 3-4 where the NT has 2-gap responsibility. That's why he was able to get away with smaller NT's like Jay Ratliff.
Jay Ratliff is a Pro Bowl player. Maybe Wade was able to "get away with" Ratliff at NT has more to do with Ratliff's ability than size or lack thereof. Ratliffs do not grow on trees. Prior to his stint in Dallas, Wade had a huge NT in Jamal Williams.

Small NTs are the exception rather than the rule in the NFL. The assumption that the Texans will be able to throw anyone at NT and make the defense work is unfounded. Shaun Cody and/or Earl Mitchell are not the likely answer. Vince Wilfork, Casey Hampton, B.J. Raji, Kris Jenkins. This is what NFL NTs generally look like.
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Wade doesn't run the "standard" 3-4 where the NT has 2-gap responsibility. That's why he was able to get away with smaller NT's like Jay Ratliff.
TPN, I have to agree with Lucky on this one. In a 3-4, even with a "smaller NT" all 3 of the linemen have to be able to "overpower" the opposing OL at one time or another. None of our present DL has shown that ability. Even Mario virtually always take the end around route, seeking the least amount of contact possible. As a DE, that will no longer be his main function. He has not shown us much with power up the middle moves, which he will need to be called to perform with the 3-4.
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The quote was about the standard 3-4 and Wade has already stated that he doesn't run the standard 3-4. He's already said in interviews that he's not asking his linemen to do the standard 3-4 stand-the-guy-up and hold-down-2-gap philosophy. He's already said that's why he was successful with Bruce Smith as a 3-4 DE and why he was successful with Jay Ratliff as an NT.

Therefore, the quote doesn't really matter. It's not about what our defense is supposed to be, what Wade has said our defense is going to be.

With that said, that doesn't mean that our NT is on the team, yet, and it doesn't mean that there aren't going to be major shakeups in our front 7. But Wade might well be looking for another Ed Jasper (6-2 293).
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With Ratliff at NT the Cowgirls defense stunk last yr. They gave up a franchise record in points allowed I think.

So while Ratliff is a good player. He's a stop gap guy until they find somebody better. Granted the Cowgirls secondary as well as the LB's left alot to be desired. But the DL was also a large part of the blame and Ratliff has to be included in its failure.

Phillips is just telling BoB what he wants to hear.

The Texans need to sign a big old nasty DT in FA or bring a guy like Rodgers home. Then draft a guy like Ellis/Taylor/Fua in the 2/3rd rd. If they want to have a successful transition to the 3-4.
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With Ratliff at NT the Cowgirls defense stunk last yr. They gave up a franchise record in points allowed I think.

So while Ratliff is a good player. He's a stop gap guy until they find somebody better. Granted the Cowgirls secondary as well as the LB's left alot to be desired. But the DL was also a large part of the blame and Ratliff has to be included in its failure.

Phillips is just telling BoB what he wants to hear.

The Texans need to sign a big old nasty DT in FA or bring a guy like Rodgers home. Then draft a guy like Ellis/Taylor/Fua in the 2/3rd rd. If they want to have a successful transition to the 3-4.
this is a concern for me, Dallas needs to address NT position here too & they are selecting two spots ahead of Texans. Washington Redskins are just ahead of Texans in the 2nd (probbably ship Haynesworth out) will be looking hard @ a space eating NT here as well....
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this is a concern for me, Dallas needs to address NT position here too & they are selecting two spots ahead of Texans. Washington Redskins are just ahead of Texans in the 2nd (probbably ship Haynesworth out) will be looking hard @ a space eating NT here as well....
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That's why if the Texans are serious they have to get a NT before the 3rd rd.

Either by trading down for an extra 2nd rd pick. Or into the bottom of the 2nd rd.

The Parkers (Wr/DT) and the Carters (NT/OLB) are guys that really impressed me yesterday at the East/West game and probably could be had in rd 4/5.
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