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Old 01-02-2011   #1
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The Cowboys have made Jason Garrett their head coach, a team source told Michael Lombardi.

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Nice way to get around that rule. I hope they get fined for doing a half-hearted interview.
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Nice way to get around that rule. I hope they get fined for doing a half-hearted interview.
Why? It's not like Ray Sherman had a shot anyway and Garrett has always been Jones' guy. I think the rule should be gone.
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I think the Rooney Rule is an insult to Black coaches. Making a man out to be the token is just f'ing ignorant.
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I think the Rooney Rule is an insult to Black coaches. Making a man out to be the token is just f'ing ignorant.
I'd rep you if I could. If someone else can hit him up, please do.
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I think the Rooney Rule is an insult to Black coaches. Making a man out to be the token is just f'ing ignorant.


Mike Tomlin wouldn't be the HC of the Steelers if not for the Rooney Rule.
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Why? It's not like Ray Sherman had a shot anyway and Garrett has always been Jones' guy. I think the rule should be gone.
The number of minority head coaches in the NFL went up substantially after the Rooney Rule went into effect. Its purpose was to force owners/GMs to consider a candidate of different race because they were so under-represented at that position. Black NFL players make up about 65% of the league, yet only ~20% of the head coaches, which is up from 6% in 2002 (before the Rooney Rule was implemented).


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I think the Rooney Rule is an insult to Black coaches. Making a man out to be the token is just f'ing ignorant.
No, half-hearted interviews are an insult to the interviewee and make him a 'token'. Normally, a coach from within the organization would have it in their contract that they will succeed a fired coach, but the Cowboys screwed up here.
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Mike Tomlin wouldn't be the HC of the Steelers if not for the Rooney Rule.
I prefer to think Mike Tomlin is HC of the Steelers because he was candidate who was most qualified.

I have hired many people in the course of my employment; never have I hired or interviewed someone just because of skin color. I see how under represented blacks are as coaches compared to the number of players. But requiring owners to interview someone non-white is not the answer. Too often an owner does exactly what JJ did: interview a black man just to satisfy the rule, with no real intention of hiring him. I wouldn't want to drive over to Prairie View A&M just to interview for something to fill a quota, when I knew I wasn't going to get the job anyway. To me that is an insult.

If blacks make up 65% of NFL players, but yet white and hispanics make up 74% of the US population, I'd say whites and hispanics are under represented among NFL players, particularly hispanics. Should the NFL also install a program that requires coaches and GM's to give non-blacks a chance at positions on the field? No, because the most qualified players are generally those who are playing (except Kris and Chris Brown).

I want black coaches to succeed as much as anyone, but having a rule that requires running them out as a token interview is not the answer.
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I think the Rooney Rule is an insult to Black coaches. Making a man out to be the token is just f'ing ignorant.
That's what I used to think...until I saw the Kyle Shanahan situation.

I have never, ever seen anyone be already annointed The One until I saw Kyle Shanahan. Five seconds after becoming the Texans Offensive Coordinator, everyone was saying how brilliant, perfect and smart he was, and how he should already be given a head coaching position, and that it was just a matter of time.

Never mind that at the time the ONLY thing Kyle had going for himself was that his dad was well known. Is Kyle Shanahan smart? Yep. Does he have a bright future? We will see. But he needs to be made to EARN his head coaching spot.

Odds are, he won't. He is being shoved up the ladder really fast.

There is not an equal playing field in the NFL.

And, the Rooney's have said that they had no idea who Mike Tomlin was. The brought him in, and he won them over.
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I prefer to think Mike Tomlin is HC of the Steelers because he was candidate who was most qualified.
Actually, with the Tomlin situation, the Steelers had already interviewed a minority candidate, but chose to interview Tomlin after that. Tomlin subsequently got the job, but not because of the Rooney Rule. Good for him that he was qualified and has proven himself.


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I have hired many people in the course of my employment; never have I hired or interviewed someone just because of skin color. I see how under represented blacks are as coaches compared to the number of players. But requiring owners to interview someone non-white is not the answer. Too often an owner does exactly what JJ did: interview a black man just to satisfy the rule, with no real intention of hiring him. I wouldn't want to drive over to Prairie View A&M just to interview for something to fill a quota, when I knew I wasn't going to get the job anyway. To me that is an insult.
Generally I would agree with this sentiment, but the results after the rule was implemented do show that it has been successful. Before 2003, there were only a handful of minority head coaches in the league's history (7 iirc). I don't believe for a second that it is because there were little to none qualified for the jobs, but rather they weren't considered. The point of this rule is to help open those options up, because for whatever reason the opportunities just were not there for them.


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If blacks make up 65% of NFL players, but yet white and hispanics make up 74% of the US population, I'd say whites and hispanics are under represented among NFL players, particularly hispanics. Should the NFL also install a program that requires coaches and GM's to give non-blacks a chance at positions on the field? No, because the most qualified players are generally those who are playing (except Kris and Chris Brown).
We are talking about an interview here, not the actual job. Interviews are just consideration, much like training camp, combine, and OTAs vet players abilities to show who deserves the roster spot. The players have more than enough opportunity to show their worth regardless of their race, whereas for decades minority coaches usually never had a shot at getting the head coaching job.

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The rule will only be effective if the teams seek out potential candidates with a good resume and a real chance at a head coaching job (the Cowboys likely didn't do this). I agree they shouldn't be treated as 'tokens' regardless of who they are or what their race is, but that's up to the league to enforce and the owners/GMs to uphold the standard.
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Hey while on this subject, I'm watching Bucs vs. Saints, how did Raheem Morris get his job? I like this guy....
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Hey while on this subject, I'm watching Bucs vs. Saints, how did Raheem Morris get his job? I like this guy....
He was an inside hire. Bucs fans were pissed, but I'm sure they're happy now. Their second year coach has nailed 10 wins.

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He was an inside hire. Bucs fans were pissed, but I'm sure they're happy now. Their second year coach has nailed 10 wins.

Repeat: Second Year Coach.
Unbelieveable huh? I like the way the Bucs play. And Freeman has a hell of an arm.
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Mike Tomlin wouldn't be the HC of the Steelers if not for the Rooney Rule.
Not true. He was a serious candidate from Day One, and the Steelers brass wanted a new voice and decided to nix Grimm and Whisenhunt. He was a minority candidate though, and that would have helped fulfill Rooney Rule specs.

But if you are saying more minority candidates should be considered, I do agree with that wholeheartedly. With the sizeable majority of African-American football players in the NFL, it just makes sense and has actually shown itself to pay off for the teams that have hired minority candidates in the past at a pretty impressive ratio.

My only problem with the Rooney Rule is that when it becomes a dog and pony show. It is a disservice to some minority candidates that they are ultimately being brought in for an interview purely for theater.

If you have an interim coach on your team, he should get first dibs on the job without having to compete against someone else before his team decides if he is the right guy for the job. If you announce that he isn't the guy, then you have to follow Rooney Rule regulations.

FWIW, I think this move by Jerry is a financial move. I don't think he really wants to pay a Cowher right now, and frankly I don't think Cowher would want to go there without ultimate say on personnel decisions. Jerry can handle the contracts as long as its done effectively, but Cowher would want 100% control and that is what it sounds like scared McNair off as well...almight dollar.....the fact that he would actually have to pay a top NFL coach's salary probably figured into the equation just a bit.
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Good to hear. Garrett did a hell of a job as an interim. If they Cowboys had a kicker, his record would have been ever better.
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"Mike Tomlin wouldn't have gotten this opportunity without this rule," said Shell, the first modern black NFL head coach. "He never would have sat down with Dan Rooney."

Said Rooney: "To be honest with you, before the interview he was just another guy who was an assistant coach. Once we interviewed him the first time, he just came through and we thought it was great. And we brought him back and talked to him on the phone and went through the process that we do, and he ended up winning the job.

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"It's a double edged sword," Bettis said. "Because it gives some guys an opoortunity to get interviewed who normally woulnd't be interviewed."

Bettis had some very interesting remarks on the Steelers hiring Mike Tomlin. "From my understanding there was a period where they were looking at another caoch and decided to go that direction," Bettis said. "You put Coach Tomlin in front of the Rooneys and they were impressed with what they saw."

Dan and Bettis agreed that Tomlin commands a room and it's no surprise the Rooneys chose him.

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FWIW, I think this move by Jerry is a financial move. I don't think he really wants to pay a Cowher right now, and frankly I don't think Cowher would want to go there without ultimate say on personnel decisions. Jerry can handle the contracts as long as its done effectively, but Cowher would want 100% control and that is what it sounds like scared McNair off as well...almight dollar.....the fact that he would actually have to pay a top NFL coach's salary probably figured into the equation just a bit.
What next Dan Snyder is a cheapskate?
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A lot of teams needing coaches are staying with their current coaches. Me thinks there is a financial aspect to this and the potential lockout looming.
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If blacks make up 65% of NFL players, but yet white and hispanics make up 74% of the US population, I'd say whites and hispanics are under represented among NFL players, particularly hispanics. Should the NFL also install a program that requires coaches and GM's to give non-blacks a chance at positions on the field?
No, because whites and hispanics have the majority in soccer and baseball. It's all good.
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