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Old 12-28-2010   #161
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A coaches contract is normally guaranteed money unless exceptions are made in the contract. If there are no buy out clauses, if Kubiak is fired, McNair would be on the hook for the remainder of the contract. But, if both parties agreed to dissolve the contract, then I think they could do so and then write a new one. Could be also that it is written in his contract that he could be reassigned, though I doubt it.
So there is a difference in player's contracts and those of management. Thanks for the enlightment. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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So all this talk about Unk Bob being on the hook for the remaining 2 years of GK's contract are unfounded? McNair wouldn't have to "eat" the last 2 years of GK's contract? I've wondered about that because they can sign players to contracts for X amount of dollars and years but if they get cut then, see ya, no more cash. Is it or is it not different with management?
Bob needs to make up his mind and fast (after the season). If Denver covets Kubiak as much as is rumored, the Texans could actually work a draft pick for releasing Kubiak and letting him go to Denver. See John Gruden being "traded" from the Raiders to the Bucs for a 5th round pick, IIRC.
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Bob needs to make up his mind and fast (after the season). If Denver covets Kubiak as much as is rumored, the Texans could actually work a draft pick for releasing Kubiak and letting him go to Denver. See John Gruden being "traded" from the Raiders to the Bucs for a 5th round pick, IIRC.
actually it was something retarded like 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders and some other lower picks aswell iirc
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actually it was something retarded like 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders and some other lower picks aswell iirc
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Holy snikeys, that's what the Bucs gave up to get Gruden??? I don't remember all that!
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Holy snikeys, that's what the Bucs gave up to get Gruden??? I don't remember that! I
It was outrageous, but I would be happy with a 4th round pick should Kubiak move on to Denver.
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Bob needs to make up his mind and fast (after the season). If Denver covets Kubiak as much as is rumored, the Texans could actually work a draft pick for releasing Kubiak and letting him go to Denver. See John Gruden being "traded" from the Raiders to the Bucs for a 5th round pick, IIRC.
how about trading Kubiak for something the next coach could use?
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Kubiak and Wade...Dumb and Dumber.
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I'm trying to get this straight. Gruden a coach with a .509 in his last 7 year long gig is the salvation of the team at HC and Phillips with a .609 in his last gig isn't competent to be DC even. Offensive guy managed to get his team to have a top half of the league offense twice in seven seasons. Defensive guy managed top 10 D in 3 of 4 seasons.
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I'm trying to get this straight. Gruden a coach with a .509 in his last 7 year long gig is the salvation of the team at HC and Phillips with a .609 in his last gig isn't competent to be DC even. Offensive guy managed to get his team to have a top half of the league offense twice in seven seasons. Defensive guy managed top 10 D in 3 of 4 seasons.
exactly. perception is reality around here these days. ppl dont want schotty either apparently. dont want to get knocked out of the playoffs early. thats a step down apparently
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Just a thought but why on earth would Gruden still want to go to TB knowing they just gave up a 1st and 2nd rounder for each of his first Two seasons? That hamstrings you so much. Guess that's why he took Dungys team to the playoffs that year and then it all went downhill. Not totally Grudens fault but he literally made the bed he slept in. Or whatever that saying is
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I'm trying to get this straight. Gruden a coach with a .509 in his last 7 year long gig is the salvation of the team at HC and Phillips with a .609 in his last gig isn't competent to be DC even. Offensive guy managed to get his team to have a top half of the league offense twice in seven seasons. Defensive guy managed top 10 D in 3 of 4 seasons.
It seems real simple to say offense + defense = good. But Phillips doesn't help Kubiak become better at forcing a team to play 60 minutes or using his best RB in key sitations or learning timeouts 101. Kubiak has failed overall. You know the offense wasn't exactly burning it up in games where they fell behind by 14-21.

Also, Phillips had alot more talent than the Texans on D this year and they regressed. So for whatever that is worth.

Kubiak has had his hands in everything that has been done for 5 years. EVERYTHING. I have a hard time believing a D Coordinator makes him a better coach and decision maker.
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It seems real simple to say offense + defense = good. ...
Just an observation. Didn't mean to derail the it is all Kubiak's fault train.

But while we're talking, how about at least be good at your specialty as a standard for coaches? Gruden inherited a D in Tampa that had been top 10 for 5 years with 4 of 5 top 6 or better before he got there and then he never built a top 10 offensive team and barely made top half. Kubiak got here and quickly built a top 5 O team three years running. In Oakland Gruden's D's got worse each year. I have no faith Gruden is going to come in here and fix the D (oh the irony if his first hire was Wade Phillips) for all the other problems you can point to that is the elephant in the room.

*this is not a pro-Kubiak post so much as I hate the idea of Gruden.
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Just an observation. Didn't mean to derail the it is all Kubiak's fault train.

But while we're talking, how about at least be good at your specialty as a standard for coaches? Gruden inherited a D in Tampa that had been top 10 for 5 years with 4 of 5 top 6 or better before he got there and then he never built a top 10 offensive team and barely made top half. Kubiak got here and quickly built a top 5 O team three years running. In Oakland Gruden's D's got worse each year. I have no faith Gruden is going to come in here and fix the D (oh the irony if his first hire was Wade Phillips) for all the other problems you can point to that is the elephant in the room.

*this is not a pro-Kubiak post so much as I hate the idea of Gruden.
I agree with you here. Not a Gruden fan at all. I can't be the only one who remembers him having 5 different QB's on the roster.

Yes Gruden won a SB but that team was built by Dungey.
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Just an observation. Didn't mean to derail the it is all Kubiak's fault train.

But while we're talking, how about at least be good at your specialty as a standard for coaches? Gruden inherited a D in Tampa that had been top 10 for 5 years with 4 of 5 top 6 or better before he got there and then he never built a top 10 offensive team and barely made top half. Kubiak got here and quickly built a top 5 O team three years running. In Oakland Gruden's D's got worse each year. I have no faith Gruden is going to come in here and fix the D (oh the irony if his first hire was Wade Phillips) for all the other problems you can point to that is the elephant in the room.

*this is not a pro-Kubiak post so much as I hate the idea of Gruden.
I'm with you on the Gruden thing. I think he is better than Gary and he can change the attitude but it isn't like he is a first choice for me. My statement wasn't trying to paint your statement into that specific corner on Kubes but I've seen that same sentiment 3-4 times today where someone says that Kubes is an offensive guru that just needs defensive help. I think it goes WAY depper than that and there is just a bad team philosophy right now.

If anyone heard Alonzo Highsmith Call kinto 1560 this afternoon, he NAILED it concerning what a team needs in a coach. It was a great call and pretty much an indictment on the Texans philiosopjy right now.
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I don't know why anyone could get excited over Gruden. He only has celebrity value, which would make him an awesome college recruiter, and nothing more.
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