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Old 12-29-2010   #241
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Sure, folks see a clip and they will ask questions. But not to offer up the context of it, while leveraging it in promoting their digital footprint is shoddy at best, for his trade and past work.
yep. And that's where perception comes into play. If had been two Patriots going at it, the media would report about their fire and intensity. But when Texans players do it, it's a sign of a team in turmoil and sinking fast.

I can only speculate, but perhaps he was just referring to the players going at it as a result of frustration due to the losing record and sorry state of the defense, both indicative of a head coach with his head up his butt.
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HoustonFrog reporting that this team and organization is quickly becoming a punchline.
Ah man, you gotta love this Frog. You go from having to root for a soft Wade Phillips in Dallas for several years all the while having to root for a soft Gary Kubiak in Houston. Both teams fall on their faces, and what does the even more loserish organization the Texans do? They go out and get the other soft guy who was coaching in Texas. Lol!

All you can do is just laugh. If they do this, I'll continue to root against them, because they won't go anywhere. I could care less if Kubes somehow makes it to the post season in his 6th season here. He'll fail and do a ton of dumb stuff like a non playoff coach does that will never win in the post season.

This move is right up Mcnair's alley. Like you said, this organization is a joke. The fact that Kubiak and Rick Smith are still employed right now is a travesty to any sports fan in Houston.
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He randomly called in to tell John and Justice what he think makes a great coach and thus a top team. He went through guys like Schnellenberger, Jimmy Johnson, Parcells, etc. He said when they entered a room guys stopped what they were doing and waiting for them to talk. They had some fear in them. Their main goal was to be one of the 11 guys that got to play. When the trams had that attitude and the fear they knew the guy next to them was ready for battle and games. He said he learned the difference his last year in Tampa where they were 2-14 under Sam Wyche. He said guys just kept doing what they were doing when he walked in. They got used to the status quo. He said all of the top guys he played for or saw weren't exactly liked and that he gets suspicious when he hears players like a coach. There is no such thing as a players coach. It was very eye opening. He says the Packers coach now commands alot of respect and he doesn't get blustery or act tough, guys just know who the boss is.
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I don't think Wade would totally see it that way. He's said that he would be interested in going somewhere to coach again even if its a DC position and not the HC. Wade would fill a void we desperately need at DC. Kubiak could focus on Offense. If Kubiak is fired and Wade is now our HC... we still need to find a new DC even if Phillips has a lot of say in it.

I just feel like our quickest way to start winning is going the Phillips DC route. If Phillips can't turn this defense around... there's no way he would have made a better HC for us.
If we are keeping Kubes, this is as good of an option as we have. Had our defense held opponents to less than 23 points a game, we'd have 11 wins right now. Holding an opponent to less than 23 points is a reasonable thing to ask/expect of a defense, if you want to make the post-season.
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If we are keeping Kubes, this is as good of an option as we have. Had our defense held opponents to less than 23 points a game, we'd have 11 wins right now. Holding an opponent to less than 23 points is a reasonable thing to ask/expect of a defense, if you want to make the post-season.
If our defense had only allowed 23 points, our offense wouldn't have scored 17. That's the way it works here.

Just enough......
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I don't have a problem with Wade as a DC but looking down the road if Kubiak ever got canned, I'm not too comfortable with Wade as HC. And this dosen't address Gary's sputtering offense that shows up for about a quarter of each game. This offense from a HC that has had five years to fine-tune this thing.

And if Gary has to be pushed into a corner to save his job by firing Bush, what's that say about his commitment to doing what's best for this team...clearly this change shouldn't come at the business end of an ultimatum.

I don't like it.
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I don't have a problem with Wade as a DC but looking down the road if Kubiak ever got canned, I'm not too comfortable with Wade as HC. And this dosen't address Gary's sputtering offense that shows up for about a quarter of each game. This offense from a HC that has had five years to fine-tune this thing.

And if Gary has to be pushed into a corner to save his job by firing Bush, what's that say about his commitment to doing what's best for this team...clearly this change shouldn't come at the business end of an ultimatum.
I don't like it.
I've written the bolded ad nauseum. I just don't know how this addresses any of the coaching issues from this year. The O was just as bad to start games and he never adjusted to start each game it seemed. What bothers me the most is the majority here have said THIS year is playoffs or bust for the guy for 2-3 years yet there is then an excuse or a hemming and hawing about it. The defense is bad because he handed it to a friend. That was supposed to the straw that broke the camels back but I guess there are alot of extra camels for people.
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There's three problems.

The defense
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Gary's inability to take on/fix/identify/react to the issues facing this team.

He simply want to stay the course with what he has and hopes they work themselves out. Problem is, he dosen't get forever. He's had his forever.
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Every position Gruden has held outside of HC was an offensive coaching position.
Interesting... I privately assumed he had previous experience. So what exactly makes him qualified to be a DC? Genuine question.
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WHat? Get out of town.

Gruden was a defense guy in Oakland and a defense guy in Tampa. With both places having a VERY mediocre offense with VERY mediocre QBs who just barely got it done on game day.

You guys are off your rocker.

And even if you are right, look at those offenses he "led" at Oakland and Tampa. That's what you want here? LOL. No freaking way. Not this guy.
LOL, What?!?

Rich Gannon was a MVP under Gruden and he had the best offense in the league....they were also near the top in the league in offense pretty much his entire time there.

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LOL, What?!?

Rich Gannon was a MVP under Gruden and he had the best offense in the league....they were also near the top in the league in offense pretty much his entire time there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvPIAXpu7eg
Eerie. That looked like Matt Schaub in a Raiders uniform. Pick six. Underthrown balls. Cheap dumpoffs. An occasional bomb. Loads of yards and passes.
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Eerie. That looked like Matt Schaub in a Raiders uniform. Pick six. Underthrown balls. Cheap dumpoffs. An occasional bomb. Loads of yards and passes.
Yeah, except Rich Gannon was a elite QB under Gruden. He absolutely carved teams up that year. Matt Schaub has never played at a level like that.
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Interesting... I privately assumed he had previous experience. So what exactly makes him qualified to be a DC? Genuine question.
He has no qualifications whatsoever to become a DC. Someone made a mistake. The same thing happens with Brian Billick. Since he had a great D in Baltimore people assume he is a defensive coach when in reality his background is offense.
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Yeah, except Rich Gannon was a elite QB under Gruden. He absolutely carved teams up that year. Matt Schaub has never played at a level like that.
I guess having the 6th most passing yards in NFL history doesn't mean much these days.

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I guess having the 6th most passing yards in NFL history doesn't mean much these days.

*shrugs*
Matt's a pretty good QB, but he's never been close to what Gannon was that season as a QB or as a team leader. Gannon was hell on wheels that one season.
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Matt's a pretty good QB, but he's never been close to what Gannon was that season as a QB or as a team leader. Gannon was hell on wheels that one season.
Matt's not a play-maker. He's a facilitator. Gannon would make things happen. Of course, that's Gannon with Gruden, prior to Gruden, Gannon was on his way out.

Matt's a good QB, very "heady" he's got our play-book down, he reads defenses well. And that's fine, we can (or at least should be able to) win a lot of games that way, as long as the OC is introducing new wrinkles every week. But when things don't go as planned.... Matt's lost. I don't mind a QB who throws the ball away & lives to play another down, but to consistently do it on 3rd & long...

This isn't to say that Matt Schaub is the reason we lost 8 of our last 9 or whatever it is.
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And this dosen't address Gary's sputtering offense that shows up for about a quarter of each game. This offense from a HC that has had five years to fine-tune this thing.
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I just don't know how this addresses any of the coaching issues from this year. The O was just as bad to start games and he never adjusted to start each game it seemed.
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There's three problems.

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Gary's inability to take on/fix/identify/react to the issues facing this team.

He simply want to stay the course with what he has and hopes they work themselves out. Problem is, he dosen't get forever. He's had his forever.
The inconsistent play of our Offense is a concern of mine as well. I won't blame this on the Defense but I will say towards the last half of the season, I felt Kubiak's became real conservative on Offense due to how pathetic our Defense was. I think that changed some of his plans during the game or during parts of it. I think he became very aware of Field Possession and didn't push this Offense like it should be. I think he wanted to limit as many Offensive mistakes as possible, punt the ball, regain better field position (which was consistently terrible).

I think with a much improved Defense, we'll see the Offense look different too. I think we'll be able to be more aggressive and whatnot.

I'm with you guys on some of the inconsistent play, the team coming out flat, etc. As much as I hated losing multiple times within the last minute of the game, I hated how bland our team looked coming out of the gates.
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LOL, What?!?

Rich Gannon was a MVP under Gruden and he had the best offense in the league....they were also near the top in the league in offense pretty much his entire time there.

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Eerie. That looked like Matt Schaub in a Raiders uniform. Pick six. Underthrown balls. Cheap dumpoffs. An occasional bomb. Loads of yards and passes.
Looked like Schaub to me as well.
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I guess having the 6th most passing yards in NFL history doesn't mean much these days.

*shrugs*
Yup, Schaub has never done that. Gannon was actually playing for him last year when he lead the league in passing and reached an NFL milestone. For the record Gannon is 11th on the list.

LOL. I'm not saying Schaub is > than Gannon or that Gannon is average or anything. I just think the comparison is pretty interesting. CB makes it like Schaub wasn't absolutely elite last year, which he was.
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Matt's not a play-maker. He's a facilitator. Gannon would make things happen.
Find me the season Rich Gannon had 62 20+ yard plays, 15 40+ yard plays or 29 TD's. Hint - they don't exist. 17 seasons in the league and never achieved any of the benchmarks Matt did all in one season. But Matt isn't a play maker and Gannon was. Gotcha.
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