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Old 12-29-2010   #201
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My guess is what's going on is that the Texans will "distance" themeselves from the Cowher talk. They'll float a lot of names of HC candidates and interviewees like Hue Jackson, Troy Calhoun, Mike Sherman, plus several more. That way the fanbase will really be scratching their heads and not wanting those so when its announced Phillips will replace Bush as DC and Kubiak will stay, the fanbase will be more accepting of it than if everyone was led to believe Cowher was a possibility. Damage control, slight of hand, manipulation, mind control... these guys are jedis working on Kirby.
I couldn't agree more.
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Gruden all about offense, not defense. His defense was all about Dungy/Monte Kiffin. Gruden did just enough with that offense to get them to the SB.


heh, pretty much what TheCD just said. I just noticed his post.
WHat? Get out of town.

Gruden was a defense guy in Oakland and a defense guy in Tampa. With both places having a VERY mediocre offense with VERY mediocre QBs who just barely got it done on game day.

You guys are off your rocker.

And even if you are right, look at those offenses he "led" at Oakland and Tampa. That's what you want here? LOL. No freaking way. Not this guy.
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I agree with you here. Not a Gruden fan at all. I can't be the only one who remembers him having 5 different QB's on the roster.

Yes Gruden won a SB but that team was built by Dungey.
Well, Dungy couldn't get the team he built to the Super Bowl, so Gruden should get some credit. Plus the team that Gruden built made it to the big game, as well.

But I'm not a fan of Gruden. He's a fun television personality, but his obsession with QBs is detrimental to his ability to operate as a consistently successful head coach.

With regards to Wade coming here, my biggest fear is that 2011 will be given the benefit of the doubt due to a "rebuilding season" for switching to a 3-4 defense. They have a built in excuse for another mediocre year if the results do not end in a playoff trip. I see two more years of Kubiak - minimum - if they keep him and bring in Wade.

Next Monday will really bring Bob McNair into a better focus regarding what kind of owner he is in the end, because a quest for quality does not include retaining an average coach with a 36-43 record after five seasons.
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WHat? Get out of town.

Gruden was a defense guy in Oakland and a defense guy in Tampa. With both places having a VERY mediocre offense with VERY mediocre QBs who just barely got it done on game day.

You guys are off your rocker.

And even if you are right, look at those offenses he "led" at Oakland and Tampa. That's what you want here? LOL. No freaking way. Not this guy.
Every position Gruden has held outside of HC was an offensive coaching position.
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As a fan I could accept the scenario of HC/OC Kubiak & DC Phillips, but
many couldn't for sure.
Atleast it would give us a lot to talk about during the long offseason. For example, would Phillips install the 3-4 and if they did, would they contemplate trading Mario to a 4-3 team where he was utilized to the max, as many do think he must be a 4-3 guy for max results ?
Mario and A.Smith are both ideally suited to play DE in a 3-4, IMO. Mario wouldn't like the position because he would not be able to accumulate double-digit sack totals but he would excel in the system.
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My guess is what's going on is that the Texans will "distance" themeselves from the Cowher talk. They'll float a lot of names of HC candidates and interviewees like Hue Jackson, Troy Calhoun, Mike Sherman, plus several more. That way the fanbase will really be scratching their heads and not wanting those so when its announced Phillips will replace Bush as DC and Kubiak will stay, the fanbase will be more accepting of it than if everyone was led to believe Cowher was a possibility. Damage control, slight of hand, manipulation, mind control... these guys are jedis working on Kirby.
Another similar possibility is this:

Cowher, it has been perceived, has been angling for the Texans job since last year. And the rumor persists to this very day.

At first, Bob said we were on the right track (after the Ravens game). But all of a sudden, following the Broncos debacle, things are looking different.

Some names have been floated out there. Names none of us believe could be an honest-to-goodness accurate list of candidates for replacing Kubiak. The names don't fit, in our opinions, because of various situations...most importantly because Rick Smith would be rolling the dice on a replacement HC who has to 100% get this team to the playoffs. None of the guys on this current list of potential candidates gives us confidence in a happy ending.

It's been almost a decade since Bob McNair kick-started this team. He hasn't made any sort of big splash with personnel. OK, maybe Casserly was a popular well-known NFL guy we can say was a "splash." That's still a stretch, IMO. A "splash' would be a former Super Bowl winning head coach who had a honest-to-goodness LEGACY at Pittsburgh. That, my friends, would be a splash.

Now comes the slight-of-hand, smoke and mirrors act. If you are Bob McNair, you can't just fire Kubiak on Monday and hire Cowher on Tuesday. Hell, you can't even hire Cowher that same week IMO. Why? Because Cowher was angling for this job last year, the rumors persisted all the way through this season, and you just fired Kubiak. And turned around and immediately hired Cowher. That's going to be flagged for 15 yards by the image consulting department at Reliant. You can't be perceived as potentially havingyour guy in the bag well before the end of the season.

In fact, it could also be that Cowher himself wants it done this way. He wants to make sure the season is over, the dust has settled, and Kubiak is well out of the picture before entering Reliant facilities and doing all the interviews with all the sports media.

It is possible that the plan has been cooked up for quite some time, and these names being floated out there is just one part of the image-sustaining effort by McNair & Cowher. They both want to avoid the ugliness if they can.

I'm not saying this is how it is. Just saying that if Bob McNair is a smart man, he fires the majority of the staff (based on Cowher's recommendations, obviously) and then he hires a proven winner and allows him to rebuild the coaching staff and draft HIS players to fix the mess on defense and add some stuff to the offense as he also sees fit.

That's IF McNair is a smart man. If he's not, then we'll see what Troy Calhoun or Bobby McDungledorf or Tommy Fingerlicker can do with a 10-year-old EXPANSION team. Surely Bob's not a dope to the point that he thinks he can go low-key on HC for a third-straight time? LOL. We'll see.
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How about Cowher coming here and hiring Wade as his 3-4 DC?
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WHat? Get out of town.

Gruden was a defense guy in Oakland and a defense guy in Tampa. With both places having a VERY mediocre offense with VERY mediocre QBs who just barely got it done on game day.

You guys are off your rocker.

And even if you are right, look at those offenses he "led" at Oakland and Tampa. That's what you want here? LOL. No freaking way. Not this guy.
Doesn't sound like you even have a rocker to be off of.


Prior to the Head Coach gigs he's was...

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1988 _ Southeast Missouri State
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1989 _ University of Pacific
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Yep, he was totally a Defense guy...

Both Gary and Wade would your comment.
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i read somewhere that wade co-ordinated a 4-3 when bum was HC for the eagles. if thats true, there's no reason why kubiak should get a gap 'rebuilding defence' yr next yr
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i read somewhere that wade co-ordinated a 4-3 when bum was HC for the eagles. if thats true, there's no reason why kubiak should get a gap 'rebuilding defence' yr next yr
Bum was never HC for the Eagles.
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i read somewhere that wade co-ordinated a 4-3 when bum was HC for the eagles. if thats true, there's no reason why kubiak should get a gap 'rebuilding defence' yr next yr
I think you meant the Saints?
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Bum was never HC for the Eagles.
lol well so much for that supposed nugget. has he ever co-ordinated a 4-3 at NO, Philly, Denver or the Bills?
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Bum was never HC for the Eagles.
For the Eagles he may have been referring to Buddy Ryan instead of Bum Phillips, though I don't know what defensive scheme he ran while in Philly
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For the Eagles he may have been referring to Buddy Ryan instead of Bum Phillips, though I don't know what defensive scheme he ran while in Philly
Buddy Ryan ran a 46 defense which is a variation of the 4-3, Fisher and Williams both run it currently
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lol well so much for that supposed nugget. has he ever co-ordinated a 4-3 at NO, Philly, Denver or the Bills?
I remember reading on a Bills board when Phillips was fired that they wouldn't mind him coming over there as DC. I think they mentioned that while he's mostly a 3-4 guy, the Bills implemented a 4-3 successfully for a little bit under him. Maybe not long... I think it was due to injuries or lack of personnel or something, but he put them in a 4-3 base.

Point is, I have this sneaking suspicion that he's a pretty smart defensive mind and, while he likes the 3-4 better, I don't think he's a complete dumba** when it comes to the 4-3. I could see us going a hybrid system next year.
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My guess is what's going on is that the Texans will "distance" themeselves from the Cowher talk. They'll float a lot of names of HC candidates and interviewees like Hue Jackson, Troy Calhoun, Mike Sherman, plus several more. That way the fanbase will really be scratching their heads and not wanting those so when its announced Phillips will replace Bush as DC and Kubiak will stay, the fanbase will be more accepting of it than if everyone was led to believe Cowher was a possibility. Damage control, slight of hand, manipulation, mind control... these guys are jedis working on Kirby.
Yes they are

I wont forget and I dont think most of the fan base will either.

McNair is trying to get the fan base off his back.

He's in a pickle over this. Because he needs to hire a proven winner and most of the fan base wont accept less.

With that said Smith will be retained.
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Many, myself included, figured the Texans collapse, including an on-field fight, would lead to a taskmaster taking over as head coach...

But from what I've heard this morning, that might not be the end result there.
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I normally like LaCanfora, but referencing the on-field fight between Smith and Cushing? Dude needs to get some context before pushing that crap.
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It was considered a 4-3 D with the moving of a safety up into the "box" instead of a fourth linebacker that was used in a 4-4 D. That was the D anchored by Reggie White.

As an aside, it's funny how many fans (excluding you) refer to the "4-6 defense" instead of the "46 defense." There was never such a formation that used 6 LBs. The "46" was the jersey number of the safety that showcased Ryan's new scheme.
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After the Texans blew the Denver game 24-23, I didn't see how owner Bob McNair could bring back coach Gary Kubiak for a sixth season. Now I'm hearing McNair will keep Kubiak but will insist that he hire a new defensive coordinator and defensive backs coach. That means Frank Bush and David Gibbs will be gone. McNair could demand more changes.


I've never seen a coaching controversy like this one. So many fans and some members of the local media want Kubiak to be fired. The Texans could finish 5-11, their worst record since 2005, which was Dom Capers' last season. And yet two defeats ago, McNair said he thought they were on the right track.


McNair is patient and optimistic. Like Kubiak, he's aware of the controversy, but McNair's going to do what he believe is best for the team. The more I think about it and the more people I talk to the more I'm convinced McNair is going to announce early next week that Kubiak will return.
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2010/12/i..._return_a.html
That was McClains latest comments on this subject, posted 'bout 15 minutes ago.
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