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Old 12-26-2010   #1
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Default Well......what do you really want?

An interesting stat that none other than Jerry Jones brought up....is that there has NEVER been a coach that took two teams to the SB.

As a Texans fan.....do you really want to take your chances vs. the odds? Haven't we seen enough about how that's bound to play out?

Do you still want Cowher? Gruden? Johnson? (greatly assuming ANY of them would be interested).

If you're McNair (or Kubiak.... assuming he's around after next week.), do you choose to blow up one of the leading offenses in the league and start from scratch, on both sides.....or do you acknowledge that no matter how good of an offense you have, they can't be expected to score 30+ points a game in order to have a chance to win?

I'm merely presenting this for rational discusion......personally, I think that the offense is capable of anything that should be reasonably necessary of a playoff-caliber team.

Our defense blows......but I'm hesitant to give up the offense to correct this. I hope Kubes and RS get this......if not, well, they need to ga ASAP.

I don't want to start from scratch again.......despite an enormous amount of negative things that have gone down, it could be worse.

Consult the facts/history.....and be careful what you wish for.
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Default Re: Well......what do you really want?

Didn't Purcells do it?
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Default Re: Well......what do you really want?

No head coach has ever WON Super Bowls with two different teams, but several have taken different teams to the Super Bowl.
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Default Re: Well......what do you really want?

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An interesting stat that none other than Jerry Jones brought up....is that there has NEVER been a coach that took two teams to the SB.

As a Texans fan.....do you really want to take your chances vs. the odds? Haven't we seen enough about how that's bound to play out?

Do you still want Cowher? Gruden? Johnson? (greatly assuming ANY of them would be interested).

If you're McNair (or Kubiak.... assuming he's around after next week.), do you choose to blow up one of the leading offenses in the league and start from scratch, on both sides.....or do you acknowledge that no matter how good of an offense you have, they can't be expected to score 30+ points a game in order to have a chance to win?
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No Head Coach Won Super Bowls with 2 different teams, BUT 5 have led 2 different teams to the Super Bowl.

Don Shula, Colts & Miami
Bill Parcells, Giants & Patriots
Dick Vermeil, Eagles & Rams
Dan Reeves, Broncos & Falcons
Mike Holmgren, Packers & Seahawks
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Default Re: Well......what do you really want?

i'll say this..there's no way in hell JJ gets outta that chair to come here.H said last year he likes that gig to much.
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Default Re: Well......what do you really want?

1) Yes, I'm willing to take a chance on another coach - even one that has already won a Super Bowl.

2) Why do people assume that our offense has to be totally blown up? We still have some good pieces on offense, including guys named Andre Johnson, Arian Foster and Matt Schaub. These guys still have gas left in the tank. Arian's career is just taking off.

Sorry, but if the Atlanta Falcons can grind out TWELVE WINS just a couple of years after being a terrible team and hiring a new coach, we can work towards the same thing with a new staff.
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So ur saying that because no coach has won a super bowl with 2 diff teams then that makes hiring a gruden or cow her somehow "against the odds"? I wonder how many SB winning head coaches have switched teams after their win? Can't be more than 10. So ur implying that If we play the odds that at least 1 in 10 head coaches in the NFL win a super bowl thus making it risky for us to hire a SB winner? Your argument is terribly flawed as is Jerral Jones'
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Yeah, I looked it up....You are 100% correct. It WAS JJ that said it.....my bad for taking that with any grain of salt. Glad he's not our owner.

Are you saying a third is not more unlikely? LOL......

I stand corrected......but still - it's very rare.

The point remains the same.....although somewhat diluted.

Continue on............
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Yeah, I looked it up....You are 100% correct. It WAS JJ that said it.....my bad for taking that with any grain of salt.

Are you saying a third is not more unlikely? LOL......

I stand corrected......but still - it's very rare.

The point remains the same.....although somewhat diluted.

Continue on............
No biggie. Getting a new HC with experience that can get us into the playoffs will suit me just fine. I do want a Super Bowl win, that's for sure. Just because no one has done it yet with two different teams doesn't mean that no one ever will.
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Default Re: Well......what do you really want?

So you don't want to change Kubiak because of the offense and how good it is?(different topic for a different thread but I digress) Sorry, imo, that is not a good enough reason to keep Kubiak around for a 6th year. Yes, perhaps there would be a dropoff from an offensive standpoint if a new guy came in. How much? I'm not sure. Maybe there isnt one. We just dont know but again, that is not a good enough reason imo to keep Kubiak around for another year.

And this "I don't want to start from scratch again", I have a hard time understanding that when people say that. Start from scratch? Why do we have to start from scratch? Other teams have changed coaches and had success for the most part within the first 3 years. Why do we have to press the reset button? This doesnt need to be blown up, not to me anyways.
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Default Re: Well......what do you really want?

LMAO!! You guys are thinking superbowl? Im getting that Cours light commercial stuck in my head reading this thread. Replace playoffs with superbowl? Superbowl? Superbowl?
Superbowl is the goal at the end of the day but, How about we get to the playoffs first. I'll take any coach that can get us into the playoffs consistently, afc championship games, etc etc. To be thinking superbowl with a 5-10 record is ridicoulous.
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I think the Texans need to get to the playoffs before we start worrying about Super Bowl wins. Right now I would take Gruden as you can see with my avatar, but heck anyone, even Cowher will do!
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In other words I am supremely confident that the odds against a previous super bowl winning coach winning another with a different team are not lower than the odds of any other potential head coach winning a SB. There just haven't been enough of them. If cow her came here and won a SB then the first groups odds would in increase from 0% to well over 10%. Then find out the total coaches in NFL history and divide by the # that have won it all. Guarantee you that # is minuscule.
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LMAO!! You guys are thinking superbowl? Im getting that Cours light commercial stuck in my head reading this thread. Replace playoffs with superbowl? Superbowl? Superbowl?
Superbowl is the goal at the end of the day but, How about we get to the playoffs first. I'll take any coach that can get us into the playoffs consistently, afc championship games, etc etc. To be thinking superbowl with a 5-10 record is ridicoulous.
There are legions of fans here who expect nothing less....and arguably, instantly.

I'm not willing to put myself in that category, per se, but if it happened, I wouldn't pose any opposition.

I'm also a realist.

I just posted this in order to invoke a discussion. I don't really care if you agree or disagree as long as the discussion is based upon basic reason.
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In other words I am supremely confident that the odds against a previous super bowl winning coach winning another with a different team are not lower than the odds of any other potential head coach winning a SB. There just haven't been enough of them. If cow her came here and won a SB then the first groups odds would in increase from 0% to well over 10%. Then find out the total coaches in NFL history and divide by the # that have won it all. Guarantee you that # is minuscule.
How "lucky" vs. various odds do you think we've been this season? Being ahead with time left, etc. what not.

Are dismissing the "unlucky" part of our past in favor of assuming that we can be "lucky" in the future?

Who is your horseshoe/lucky charm?
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Default Re: Well......what do you really want?

At the start of every football season the goal is to win the Super Bowl. Why compete if that isn't the goal? I know the Texans are a ways away from that, but why can't it be the goal? It should be the goal.

As to no coach ever winning a SB with two different teams, no one ever climbed Mt. Everst until someone did. No one ever went to the moon until someone did. There's always a first time for everything.
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Before last season no coach had ever won a Super Bowl with the New Orleans Saints. What does that tell you? There is a first time for everything.

Not hiring a coach that has previously won a SB because of that stat is pretty absurd. All that tells me is that someone is due.
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How "lucky" vs. various odds do you think we've been this season? Being ahead with time left, etc. what not.

Are dismissing the "unlucky" part of our past in favor of assuming that we can be "lucky" in the future?

Who is your horseshoe/lucky charm?

Bill Cowher is my lucky charm. We haven't just been unlucky in missing the playoffs-we've made bad decisions.
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There are legions of fans here who expect nothing less....and arguably, instantly.

I'm not willing to put myself in that category, per se, but if it happened, I wouldn't pose any opposition.

I'm also a realist.

I just posted this in order to invoke a discussion. I don't really care if you agree or disagree as long as the discussion is based upon basic reason.
Din't mean to dog your premise or belittle someones arguement. Sure superbowl is the goal, yes that would be great. But, as it stands right now, most of our team haven't even been to the playoffs. When is the last time the oilers made it to the playoffs? This town hasen't seen their football team in the playoffs for too long of a time.
To win the Superbowl you have to make it to the playoffs. So while its been years and still have not made it there, just seems a little silly to be talking about the superbowl, when we can't even look respectable on a monday night game. (to flustered, shakey in the spotlight)
Like I said before, i'll take any coach that can get us to the playoffs consistanly, and gets our team that veteran status they need to be successful enough to win a Superbowl.
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