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Old 04-07-2005   #41
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I still believe that better play from the TE position can do wonders for our offense and Andre.
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I mentioned the same thing in an earlier post and got not a single response to it, like it was considered too silly of a notion or something. I am on the verge of thinking that TE play could be the area that provides the biggest improvement to our offense as a whole. It seems to be one of the areas where the largest improvement by position could be realized.
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I mentioned the same thing in an earlier post and got not a single response to it, like it was considered too silly of a notion or something. I am on the verge of thinking that TE play could be the area that provides the biggest improvement to our offense as a whole. It seems to be one of the areas where the largest improvement by position could be realized.

its not like billy miller cant get the job done catching the ball as a TE. It just seems to me that TE in our passing game were not existent, maybe the coaches game calling our maybe it was Carrs lack of finding them in the passing gmae, but Miller showed he could get the job done in 2002. BUT he is not to good at blocking and thats what we need is a TE who can block and catch !
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The reason we didn't see Miller on the field much last year is becuase he's one-dimensional and evertime he's in the game, the opposing team knows a pass is coming, and can adjust their defense accordingly...
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Williamson ran a 4.37
Gaff ran a 4.5

So, theoretically, Williamson will be 45.7 yards downfield in 5 seconds (the best protection time possible) and Gaff will be 44.4 yards down the field. That's a big difference.
Yes, over 3 feet is a big difference.
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Yes, over 3 feet is a big difference.
agreed... remember, football is a game of inches and someone who can give you 36 inches more than Gaffney on a given play is worth it.

And I too also think that Matt Jones would make an immediate impact on our team, whether he started off @ #2 or the slot.
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Very few rookie WR's, even ones taken in the first round, have an immediate impact.
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A boldin, A. Johnson, Gaffney, Roy Willams, C. Rogers (except injuries), T. Ownes,
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TO only had 35 catches his rookie year and Gaffney only had 41 (his career high), and for every Anquan Boldin, there is a guy like Reggie Williams, Josh Reed, or even Pro Bowler Javon Walker who struggle through their rookie season...
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TO only had 35 catches his rookie year and Gaffney only had 41 (his career high), and for every Anquan Boldin, there is a guy like Reggie Williams, Josh Reed, or even Pro Bowler Javon Walker who struggle through their rookie season...

well you can still hardly say that most rookie WR dont come in and make an impact,,,i mean sure some do more than others, but a majority of first round players taken make an impact (or atleast start) thats usually why the sorry teams (teams wih needs) get them cause they have a need or weakness at the position !
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Gaffney will have a better year than all but one or two WR's taken in the first round this year.
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Gaffney will have a better year than all but one or two WR's taken in the first round this year.

yes he may, but that still doesnt mean that other (rookie) wr dont have a productive year just because they dont have better numbers than gaffney, if a rookie WR can come in and go for 400-500 yrds and a few tds i consider that a productive rookie season. and those 500 yrd makes an impact on a team believe it or not !
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2004 Texan #3 WR
Jabar Gaffney 41-632 2 TD's

2004 Rookie First Rounders
#3 Larry Fitzgerald 58-780 8
#7 Roy Williams 54-817 8
#9 Reggie Williams 27-268 1
#13 Lee Evans 48-843 9
#15 Michael Clayton 80-1193 7
#29 Michael Jenkins 7-119 0
#31 Rashaun Woods 7-160 1

2003 Rookie First Rounders
#2 Charles Rogers 22-243 3
#3 Andre Johnson 66-976 4
#17 Bryant Johnson 35-438 1

2002 Rookie First Rounders
#13 Donte Stallworth 42-594 8
#19 Ashley Lelie 35-525 2
#20 Javon Walker 23-319 1
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Some people have different definitions of immediate impact, but off your list I'd say Roy W, Fitzgerald, and even Stallworth with their 8 TDs apiece had immediate impact, along with Clayton and AJ. Throw Boldin in the group and there's 6 rookie WRs that made immediate impact in the last three years.

Then go back a little further and throw in Moss, Keyshawn, Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, Marvin Harrison, Eddie Kennison and Torry Holt and you can see that over time, there's usually 1 or 2 rookie WRs per season that make an immediate impact.

Too many people carry the "it takes 3 years" mantra just because, and automatically dismiss the possibility of a rookie WR making a difference when even though success doesn't happen immediately with the majority of WRs (what position does?) it happens almost every year with one or more WRs making it not such a crazy idea to entertain IMO.
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Statistically they make an impact yes.

But if im blowing out the Arizona Cardinals and Boldin has 14 catches for 200 yards and a TD or 2,

He made statistical impact but not game changing impact. Now if Arizona is down by 3 with a minute left and he hauls in a TD Pass to win the ballgame that is an impact and a player that does that consistently is an impact player to me.

Players like Jerry Rice, Brett Favre, Emmitt Smith, Terrell Owens, Donovan McNabb, Ben Rothlisberger, Jeremy Shockey....

Those are impact players to me the ones that if they are playing they have the potential of taking the game over.
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the biggest impact a new #2 might make, rookie or otherwise, could be forcing opposing defenses to be more honest and quit cheating over on AJ.
IMO, the same could be said for a better TE. One that doesn't tip off the D that the play will be run or pass. The stats are nice to consider, but having more potential options helps open up more space downfield for AJ, keeps 8 or more defenders out of the box(at least not as frequently), and also reduces the comfort level of the opposing defensive coordinator when he feels like blitzing...
And don't forget, we can add a #2 AND keep Gaff on the field at the same time in a 3 wide set. That may limit the stats that each WR gets, but not neccesarily...
in the 80's(maybe early 90s) the Deadskins had 3 WRs with over 1,000 in a single season (Monk, Clark, Sanders). I'm not saying that it's likely, just pointing out the possibilty
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I noticed most QBs in college that turned WR in the NFL had some pretty productive careers. I don't know all the names but here are 3 I know of right off the bat.

The kid in Pittsburgh, The kid that played at Rice and played for the Falcons, Bennett from Tenn. I think that kid Matt Jones has a real chance like they did.
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gaffney and armstrong are both slot receivers, they both run very good routes and can pick apart defenses, but they lack the ability to break away from defenders and that extra burst after the catch. bradford had speed but was inconsistent, he would make one great play and disappear from the game, we need a player that can create space between him and his defender .... check this website out http://www.pmvfx.com/video/DEC-sports/T_williamson.wmv agents highlight reel for troy williamson

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...in the 80's(maybe early 90s) the Deadskins had 3 WRs with over 1,000 in a single season (Monk, Clark, Sanders). I'm not saying that it's likely, just pointing out the possibilty
If the Texans had the type of pass blocking the Hogs provided Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, & Mark Rypien, picking up another WR in the 1st round would be a great idea. As it stands, it's a complete waste. Cart = Skill Positions. Horse = Offensive Line. This organization has to start putting the horse in front of the cart if they intend to win.
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I have to say the best game the WR looked awesome and gave a glimpse of their potential as a core was the Raider game.
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If the Texans had the type of pass blocking the Hogs provided Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, & Mark Rypien, picking up another WR in the 1st round would be a great idea. As it stands, it's a complete waste. Cart = Skill Positions. Horse = Offensive Line. This organization has to start putting the horse in front of the cart if they intend to win.
I am not neccesarily advocating a first round reciever. It's obvious (to me) that we could use an upgrade @ #2. Yes, I believe that Gaff, or Armstong could hold that position, but they are not dynamic enough to have an effect on the defense that benifits the other skill positions.
As far as the cart and horse analogy, I am with you all the way. But it looks like we will go with what we currently have as far as OL starters headed into the season. I think that having a little stability in the line will pay decent dividends this year. Look at Denver's OL... they are consistently called undersized and haven't had a whole lot of studs that I can recall (although I stand to be corrected on this), but are noted for their technical abilities and mobility. I don't go as far as to compare, but use them as an example of what can be achieved with a little unit level cooperation.
I think Wand will improve enough that we won't be having a witch hunt after the 2005 season, and the unit as a whole will improve to at least average and maybe a little better (just a little). If we can find a consistent #2 WR (rookie or otherwise), a TE who is able to perform average in both the running and passing attacks (and help out with blocking), we will be fine. It's all a matter of cohesiveness. All 5 Ol and the TE need to just be consistent and good things will happen.
I don't know why it's not commented on more around here, but for the early part of the 2004 season, the Texans were near the top in offensive prodution for at least a few weeks.
I remember seeing glimpses of what looked like being a pretty good passing attack. I think a few key moves (not spectacular ones) and you will see it again this year, but for an extended time.
I will go on record right now predicting that the Texans will open up the passing game more than anyone expects this year. And also on record to say that the line, status quo, will have a marked improvement as well.
I say, show me one consistant threat in the #2 spot, and a well rounded TE and you will see 3,800+ yds and 23+ tds for Carr. He was #12 in pass yds last year, and that would put him in the top ten (or maybe eight) most likely...
ok, I'm losing steam now... :woot
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