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Old 12-20-2010   #1
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Mr. McNair: Quit peddling to the Houston Fans your "Chinese Drywall" Football Team. If you don't step in , Clean House, and take some definitive action to stop this NOW, you deserve every bad thing that is going to happen to you. In other words, you will own the AFC version of the Detroit Lions.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. Texans coach Gary Kubiak stood there so defeated and dispirited, so utterly out of answers.

He had just watched his players quit on him - not just on him but on themselves and on the owner who continues to believe in them.

This appears to be a first. Even in the worst of times, the Texans always played hard, fought until the end. Not this time. They seemed disinterested in competing, apparently ready to pack their cars and head for those offseason vacations.


So they fell behind by 21 points in the first quarter, getting run off the field by a team that had lost six in a row and been tied with the Texans for last place in the AFC South.

"This is embarrassing," safety Bernard Pollard said after a 31-17 loss to the Tennessee Titans on Sunday dropped the Texans to 5-9 and ended any thought of a winning season or a come-from-nowhere run to a playoff berth.

Kubiak would never put it that way. He's going to protect his players, even the ones who don't deserve protecting. But he surely learned a lot about them on a day the Texans had more penalties (nine) than first downs (six) in the first half.

"I thought we looked slow," Kubiak said. "Guys looked slow moving around."

That's a nice way of saying they just weren't into it, that winning was more important to the other guys.

"The display of defense in that first quarter and a half was horrible," linebacker Brian Cushing said. "What it is, I don't know. I don't know what's going on or what happened with us."

The Texans lost the tough battles inside along with plenty of the little ones outside. They could neither run the ball (30 yards) nor stop the run (147 yards). They had breakdowns in protection, special teams, you name it.

The week began with Texans owner Bob McNair solidly in his coach's corner, adding, astonishingly, that he believed his franchise to be on the right track. But a game like this one surely rattled his confidence, because it was so inexcusable.
Kubiak helpless

"We have the talent, but we're making mistake after mistake," Pollard said. "It's all of us. At a certain point, you don't know what to say."

To fire Kubiak at this point would be an act of mercy. Whatever his message, it's not getting through.

"We got it handed to us pretty good today," Kubiak said. "They outcoached us. They outplayed us. They beat us up pretty good."

The Titans were up 14-0 midway through the first quarter, and whenever the Texans seemed close to making it competitive, they did something dumb.

How about those nine first-half penalties?

"I don't know," Kubiak said. "Concentration?"

Those are the words of a beaten man. He's the guy who has defended his players at every turn, but for whatever reason, they've decided he's not worth fighting for.

Now a word about an offense that's supposed to be one of the best in the NFL - sixth in yards, ninth in points.

Just goes to show that you can twist numbers to prove almost anything. The Texans aren't a good offensive team, at least not when it counts.
Inconsistency remains

They're averaging 8.1 points in the first half, 2.6 points in the first quarter. In their past four losses, they've been outscored 95-30 in the first half.

The Texans are an unstoppable offensive team only after they have fallen way behind.

"Good teams play well from start to finish, and we're not doing that," linebacker Kevin Bentley said. "After the first couple of minutes, you start to ask, 'Where's our energy?' 

In defense of that offense, its job is tougher because the Texans give up so many points. An opposing defense can take chances because it knows its offense will score a boatload of points.

Once the Titans got a lead, they were free to blitz from every angle, and Matt Schaub took another terrible beating. That he continues to pick himself back up is a tribute to his toughness and guts.

He, too, had a bad first half, but the Texans could use 50 others who care as much as Schaub.

Cushing, Andre Johnson and Arian Foster are playing hurt, and in every corner of the locker room, there's the recognition of a season of optimism having come undone.

"I don't know what to think," Johnson said. "They pretty much just kicked our butts. That's pretty much been our season."

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I don't think the team has quit. This is EXACTLY how we expect games to play out nowadays. They're "trying" out there, but it ends up being the same shit as usual.

Nothing out of the ordinary.
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I don't think the team has quit. This is EXACTLY how we expect games to play out nowadays. They're "trying" out there, but it ends up being the same shit as usual.

Nothing out of the ordinary.

So... Keep plugging along as-is?

What's ordinary to the Texans may be pretty damn shameful to some of us.
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Never said keep plugging along as is. Where do you get that from my post? I'm saying the team hasn't quit on him.

He'd be fired a couple hours from now if it were up to me.
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Never said keep plugging along as is. Where do you get that from my post? I'm saying the team hasn't quit on him.

He'd be fired a couple hours from now if it were up to me.

I'm not taking that from your post. I'm just wondering, now what? This team feels like a rudderless ship.
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I'm not taking that from your post. I'm just wondering, now what? This team feels like a rudderless ship.
You let him play the last 2 games and then you send him packing. Not much else you really can do. The play to this point has been terrible.
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It isn't defeatism, it's realism. The players know a lot more about football and what is going on than fans do. If 80% of the fan base has figured out this team isn't getting any better and has little hope to under current conditions, you can bet the players do.

Until this point it hasn't stopped them from bailing as fast as they can, but they may have finally admitted to themselves the ship is sinking no matter what they do.
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If you were at a company for 5 years and and your division was run by this really nice guy but every year there were always "fires" to put out and last minute deadlines that were either barely made or missed, you'd become a little frayed or frazzled. Your division would get no recognition. Mentally it would be tough, despite having the job. You'd probably think of what it was like in other divisions or at other jobs. These guys have to be at that point no matter how long they have been there. Every profession has a point where the grass is greener elsewhere.
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Default Re: Justice: Defeatism surfaces in Texans' locker room

Prior to yesterday, I didn't think McNair would fire Kubiak. His team quit on him yesterday, and that is grounds for his dismissal. At this point, if he doesn't fire him, it is strictly because of the Lockout and the limited time a new coach would have to put in a new system.
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Prior to yesterday, I didn't think McNair would fire Kubiak. His team quit on him yesterday, and that is grounds for his dismissal. At this point, if he doesn't fire him, it is strictly because of the Lockout and the limited time a new coach would have to put in a new system.
The team quit on Kubiak, McNair, Smith, the entire oganization, and didnt even really try to win the game when we were still mathematically in the playoff hunt.

At least thats how it looked to me.
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What did anyone really expect yesterday?? Mario was put on the shelf leading up to the game. We had like 6 of the worse losses a team could take in a row.
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The team quit on Kubiak, McNair, Smith, the entire oganization, and didnt even really try to win the game when we were still mathematically in the playoff hunt.

At least thats how it looked to me.
that is how it looked to me as well. Defeated, beaten down and disinterested pretty much sums up the 2010 Houston Texans. Starting go from Pathetic to just sad now....
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I don't think the team has quit. This is EXACTLY how we expect games to play out nowadays. They're "trying" out there, but it ends up being the same shit as usual.

Nothing out of the ordinary.
They only thing they're "trying" to do is make it to the offseason without
getting hurt. Can't say I blame them. Discipline is breaking down on this
team, and the owner is wringing his hands about following through on the
correct solution.
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Oh man, sooooo glad I didn't watch the game yesterday (on vacation) and completely forgot they were on. That woulda been time wasted on time I don't need to waste. So, the team quit, huh? Finally to that point of nothing to play for. No 4 wins in a row to pull out of one's nether region this year and make it look like a "close season"... to make it look like we're on the right track.

Nothing out of the ordinary though. When a team is out of it - all that's left is to play for pride and spoliers, but it sounds like this team doesn't want to play that this year. Just can't get to play up at the end of the year, huh coach? No miracle 2 quarter finish to make it a game and a moral victory where other owner's tell your boss you're on the right track (cause apparently, he's not sure of himself? No gut feeling?)

But that is a new one, though. No offense? Uh oh. Nothing to hang your hat on this time.
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The Texans fade here at the end of the season has turned into an all-out collapse. This is incident is very disappointing.
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I switched to the Indy game after the first two plays - or two penalties in Texan talk.

I don't think that the players gave up this badly during the 2-14 season. This is really hard to watch. Being bad is one thing - giving up is another entirely.
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This was a bad bad bad defense with DeMeco Ryans and Mario Williams.

Without them, they are also a bad bad bad defense.

The entirety of the story of the Texans isn't quit versus non quit.

When the Texans offense plays lights out, the Texans win games or keep it close, despite a terrible defense.

When the Texans offense struggles, then the Texans have little chance and get crushed.

This defense is terrible. The special teams in the past has had years where they've helped out some with field position but not so much this year.

The Titans issues have been primarily issues at QB and WR. Their defense is ranked 8th in efficiency.

The soft, lazy analysis is that they quit. The hard analysis is that they just aren't that good. One way or another, that may be a distinction without a difference.
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This was a bad bad bad defense with DeMeco Ryans and Mario Williams.

Without them, they are also a bad bad bad defense.

The entirety of the story of the Texans isn't quit versus non quit.

When the Texans offense plays lights out, the Texans win games or keep it close, despite a terrible defense.

When the Texans offense struggles, then the Texans have little chance and get crushed.

This defense is terrible. The special teams in the past has had years where they've helped out some with field position but not so much this year.

The Titans issues have been primarily issues at QB and WR. Their defense is ranked 8th in efficiency.

The soft, lazy analysis is that they quit. The hard analysis is that they just aren't that good. One way or another, that may be a distinction without a difference.
Normally, I'd agree with you. However, yesterday's game had something
the other games this season didn't. There was a complete and total
breakdown in focus and discipline in all phases of the game from
the very first snap, to the very end.

That one addition brings me to the conclusion that this team quit.
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The team quit on Kubiak, McNair, Smith, the entire oganization, and didnt even really try to win the game when we were still mathematically in the playoff hunt.

At least thats how it looked to me.
Most of all, the team quit on the fans! They all know how much we hate the Titans, BUT, they didn't give a hoot (I'm being nice) and let us all down. Heck, we already knew we weren't going to the playoffs, and all we had left was a little hope that we could sweep the team we hate the most. They are an arrogant bunch of pricks IMHO and I'm sick of their defeatest attitude. Setting themselves up to be the laughing stock of the NFL is inexcusable, and very sad! That pathetic loss yesterday was on the TEAM, pure and simple! JMHO!! I haven't been a huge Kubiak fan since day ONE, but, yesterdays loss was not on him. Our team was defeated before they set foot in Nashville.
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At least they broke the cycle this year!! No .500 "moral victory"!!

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