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Old 12-07-2010   #1
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Default Patriots 10-2 with almost as bad a defense as we have..

So what's our excuse now?

http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandp...istics?team=NE

They are right in front of us with one of the worst defenses in the game this year and yet they are still 10-2. While we are sitting on our butts waiting for something to happen..

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So what's our excuse now?

http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandp...istics?team=NE

They are right in front of us with one of the worst defenses in the game this year and yet they are still 10-2. While we are sitting on our butts waiting for something to happen..

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And we can't say they played bad teams this year. That division is pretty tough.
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Default Re: Patriots 10-2 with almost as bad a defense as we have..

Belichick > Kubiak anyone?

Brady > Schaub

Patriots organization > Texans organization
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Default Re: Patriots 10-2 with almost as bad a defense as we have..

You could say, QB play is the deal but I believe their OL is way superior to ours. I was watching their game yesterday and Brady had like 6-8 seconds to throw the ball. We got to get that line.
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Belichick > Kubiak anyone?

Brady > Schaub

Patriots organization > Texans organization
And your point is????
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Their defense also forces turnovers and occasionally puts the patriots in better field position then we do.
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They are close in yards, but yards don't mean squat. The stat that matters is scoring and the Pats are ranked 18th while the texans are 27th. The Pats allow 22 points a game while the Texans allow 26. 4 point difference on average a game is not really close.
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Default Re: Patriots 10-2 with almost as bad a defense as we have..

I was wondering about this, and its really quite shocking really.


1. At first I thought it was because they score so many points that they just give the ball to their opponents a lot and therefore give them many chances to score.

But as it turns out, we have literally the exact same time of possession as the Patriots do.


2. Then I thought to myself, I bet their pass defense is bad because they are always ahead and opposing teams just give up the run. However, their run defense is actually quite a bit worse than ours is.


3. Then I thought, maybe their offense is just so good that they put up points quickly and other teams score a lot trying to catch up. Ironically, our offense is actualy better than New Englands in terms of yards!



The Patriots have only the 13th ranked offense in the NFL, yet are somehow 1st in points, even though they also have the 2nd worst defense in the NFL. How does that happen??


Turnovers!

They are +14, which is way, way higher than any other team in the AFC, and second only to Philly in the entire NFL. We are currently at 0.


That is the main reason that while we both give up a lot of yardage, our pass defense is much, much worse than the Patriots.

While we give up similar yardage, opposing QBs have a 102 QB rating against us. The Patriots are giving up only an 87 QB rating. The difference is in the turnovers
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Belichick > Kubiak anyone?

Brady > Schaub

Patriots organization > Texans organization
i'll take all of the above for 20 alex.
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i'll take all of the above for 20 alex.
Brady is not better than Schaub!!!!

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How many of you wished we had drafted Kevin McCourty instead of Kareem ?
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How many of you wished we had drafted Kevin McCourty instead of Kareem ?
With our coaching staff how much of a difference would it have made?
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How many of you wished we had drafted Kevin McCourty instead of Kareem ?
Devin McCourty is in a better organization than ours & i doubt it would've mattered if they swapped teams, The pats would've coached KJ up & he'd probably look like revis over there.
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Devin McCourty is in a better organization than ours & i doubt it would've mattered if they swapped teams, The pats would've coached KJ up & he'd probably look like revis over there.
Belichick was able to Brady-dize Matt Cassel. The man is the best coach ever. Ever.
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Devin McCourty is in a better organization than ours & i doubt it would've mattered if they swapped teams, The pats would've coached KJ up & he'd probably look like revis over there.
That's why I don't really want us to draft a corner in the first round in the draft. I think Quinn and Jackson will be fine with another coching staff. This all goes out the window if we don't bring another coach in here though.
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That's why I don't really want us to draft a corner in the first round in the draft. I think Quinn and Jackson will be fine with another coching staff. This all goes out the window if we don't bring another coach in here though.
You can never have too many top-flight corners. They will win you football games or they will fetch a hefty price from somebody.

Works either way so win/win.
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Belichick was able to Brady-dize Matt Cassel. The man is the best coach ever. Ever.
I think its fairly clear that Cassel wasn't as bad as people thought people were just looking at him through the brady lens. He looks like he's got the goods over there in KC.

It would've been interesting to see how belichick would've faired if brady goes down in say early 2000 & he had to use a scrub like Rohan Davey at qb. How much of genius would he have been then? The "genius" in Belichick lies in the GM who brings in the talent & of course having a guy like Brady to execute. Its the same formula for all of these coaches that've been labeled geniuses in the past...the lone exception being Bill Walsh who was the only true one of those imo.
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You could say, QB play is the deal but I believe their OL is way superior to ours. I was watching their game yesterday and Brady had like 6-8 seconds to throw the ball. We got to get that line.
yeh I knew sebastian volmer in college he said the texans didn't even look at recruiting out of UH... which in most cases I would agree with but we really should have looked at taking him ... dude was a hoss like even in the NFL he is one of the biggest people on the field... pluss he took freeney to school in his first ever nfl game
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With our coaching staff how much of a difference would it have made?
Kareem is a more physical corner which is apparently what the Texans were after with a Cover-2 bias for their back-end, but his ball-skills are very lacking whereas that's McCourty long-suit along with his cover ability and I don't think he just acquired that in the last few months from his NFL coachs ?
I've seen him play in several games this year and he's usually right on his guy. I saw him make an outstanding play, another interception in the
SD game where he snatched the ball like a receiver, but now the pic he made last night was under thrown.
Kareem is clearly more of a corner/safety hybrid while McCourty is a more pure cover-corner.
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I was wondering about this, and its really quite shocking really.


1. At first I thought it was because they score so many points that they just give the ball to their opponents a lot and therefore give them many chances to score.

But as it turns out, we have literally the exact same time of possession as the Patriots do.


2. Then I thought to myself, I bet their pass defense is bad because they are always ahead and opposing teams just give up the run. However, their run defense is actually quite a bit worse than ours is.


3. Then I thought, maybe their offense is just so good that they put up points quickly and other teams score a lot trying to catch up. Ironically, our offense is actualy better than New Englands in terms of yards!



The Patriots have only the 13th ranked offense in the NFL, yet are somehow 1st in points, even though they also have the 2nd worst defense in the NFL. How does that happen??


Turnovers!

They are +14, which is way, way higher than any other team in the AFC, and second only to Philly in the entire NFL. We are currently at 0.


That is the main reason that while we both give up a lot of yardage, our pass defense is much, much worse than the Patriots.

While we give up similar yardage, opposing QBs have a 102 QB rating against us. The Patriots are giving up only an 87 QB rating. The difference is in the turnovers
only reason our run defense looks anything above terrible is because teams can throw on us whenever they want to this is a case where the stats do not tell the story in critical situations 3rd and 4th and short/goal we loose almost every time... our run D isnt really good at all and I agree with you if anyone on the Texans D could catch then we would be ok
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