Big Board Thread

[Blake]

Originally Posted by beerlover

next up revist 9-16

9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
11. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
12. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
13. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
14. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
15. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
16. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195

I would drop Harris a spot or 2. I like Ayers and Julio better at #16.

[JB]

I think all 3 qb's need to be dropped.

[steelbtexan]

I have Watt and Mallett at #11,12

Julio Jones at #13

Paea is in my next grouping.

[jay23728]

I think prince is too high at 8 I can see him sliding into the teens. ayers and miller should be rated about the same, one at 15, the other 16. drop mallet down. miller is the better rusher, but ayers seems a little stiffer against the run.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

I would drop Harris a spot or 2. I like Ayers and Julio better at #16.

I'm tracking with you on that.

Originally Posted by jay23728

I think prince is too high at 8 I can see him sliding into the teens. ayers and miller should be rated about the same, one at 15, the other 16. drop mallet down. miller is the better rusher, but ayers seems a little stiffer against the run.

I could see Prince sliding but also hanging in top 10, tough call. now we know Ayers is coming out we can move him higher, your right, should be very close to Miller, w/Von getting slight edge because he is a legit pass rusher.

Originally Posted by JB

I think all 3 qb's need to be dropped.

thats a difficult request, even if your right. keeping Locker late, much disagreement about Mallett. Saw holes in Cams game Monday, but he should still hold interest for teams needing QB help.

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

I have Watt and Mallett at #11,12

Julio Jones at #13

Paea is in my next grouping.

Watt up. Jones stock rising (Blackmon staying) legit #2 WR. Paea is the top NT prospect in draft. Also moved top LT prospect into discussion Solder who he getting lots of love with those measreables, franchise position.

This is the group from which the Texans will select 9-12 all could happen?

9. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230

[JB]

Originally Posted by beerlover

This is the group from which the Texans will select 9-12 all could happen?

9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230

This group looks pretty good now.

[jay23728]

I can agree with grouping looks good.

[Blake]

JJ Watt not Watts BL!

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

JJ Watt not Watts BL!

Watt

[beerlover]

1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230

next up for discussion -

17. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
18. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
19. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
20. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
21. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
22. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
23. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
24. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by beerlover

1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230

next up for discussion -

17. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
18. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
19. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
20. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
21. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
22. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
23. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
24. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290

17.Ingram
18.Newton
19.Sherrod
20.Mallett
21.Harris
22.Bailey
23.Kerrigan
24.Smith

That's how I have them rated.

I really like how the board is setting up. Everybody is doing a great job.

Thanks BL this is kind of fun.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

17.Ingram
18.Newton
19.Sherrod
20.Mallett
21.Harris
22.Bailey
23.Kerrigan
24.Smith

That's how I have them rated.

I really like how the board is setting up. Everybody is doing a great job.

Thanks BL this is kind of fun.

seems reasonable, maybe Newton slips a little bit? there are a couple other prospects who's stock is rising like Georgia OLB Justin Houston, Missouri DE/OLB Aldon Smith, & Illinois DT Corey Liuget DT that we need to start looking at & into top 32 overall prospects declared for 2011 NFL draft.

17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
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20.
21.
22.
23.
24.

Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290
Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6-5 - 265
Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6-3 - 260
Corey Liuget, Illinois DT 6-3 - 295

In another important matter, feel we should bump Fairley down one notch from #1 to #2 & move Da'Quan Bowers up to the #1 position. What do you guys think about that?

[JB]

Yeah, I think Bowers should probably be #1...

And Tyron Smith is going to be moving up the boards

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by JB

Yeah, I think Bowers should probably be #1...

And Tyron Smith is going to be moving up the boards

my thinking as well, most guys who post here seem to feel same way so its a done deal.

your thoughts would be to move Tyron Smith into the 18th position?

1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290

[JB]

Maybe Kerrigan at 18 and Smith at 19

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by beerlover

my thinking as well, most guys who post here seem to feel same way so its a done deal.

your thoughts would be to move Tyron Smith into the 18th position?

1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215

I dont like Smith that much, he's built like a greek god. But weighs only 280-285 Lbs. That's really light for a tackle. He may show up at the Combine weighing more and still have his athletcism. Houston is sombody the Texans should look at if they trade down. Houston reminds me alot of Terrell Suggs. He would be a steal at this point in the draft.

Hopefully the Texans will be able to trade down and draft Houston late in the 1st and Arron Williams in the 2nd. Then add more talent with the picks from the trade down. Or use those extra picks to trade back into the bottom of the 2nd and take Ellis or Fua late in the 2nd.

This takes thinking outside the box. I' m not sure Smithiak are capable of doing this. Their drafting track record says they cant. Maybe when it's the Texans time to draft in the 1st 3 rds. Kunbiak will be at home recovering from a 2nd sleep apnea surgery and Smith will be in the bathroom. That way Phillips will be able to draft the players he needs to rebuild the defense.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by JB

Maybe Kerrigan at 18 and Smith at 19

thinking same thing. done!

[beerlover]

1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290


one more & we have our top 20, looks damn good if I say so myself, good job guys, now is it Cam or Mallett time, maybe one of the hybrid LB's, a corner?

Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6-5 - 265
Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6-3 - 260
Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6-3 - 295
Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6-5 - 288

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by beerlover

thinking same thing. done!

That seem about right for those 2 players.

Dont sleep on Anthony Costanzo.

He's going to make some team picking at the bottom of the 1st rd very happy.

(Colts,Bears,Steelers ect...)

#20 Newton
#21 Aldon Smith
#22 Harris

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

That seem about right for those 2 players.

Dont sleep on Anthony Costanzo.

He's going to make some team picking at the bottom of the 1st rd very happy.

(Colts,Bears,Steelers ect...)

#20 Newton
#21 Aldon Smith
#22 Harris

one of the late entry's has caught my attention, need to ask if anyone here is familiar with Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6-3 - 295? He was unblock-able against Baylor in Texas Bowl (also where fell in love with RB Mikel LeShoure game).

Here is an analysis per Rob Rang of NFLDS:

Pass rush: Tough for many college interior linemen to handle one-on-one in pass protection. Quick enough to beat lesser linemen off the snap at three-tech, uses his hands to free himself from block when there is enough space to do so. Gets his man on skates or pushes through a block (or double) to the quarterback to get pressure. Also strong and quick enough to play on the nose in obvious passing situations. Recovers from strong punch to run through a gap immediately. Does not have elite closing speed, but his hustle and ability to stay low make him difficult to escape within or outside the pocket.

Run defense: Stout defender who plays with a strong base. Penetrates into the backfield with quickness. Lines up at three and five-technique spots. Capable of stack-shed inside or outside. Gets past reach blocks on inside runs with quick feet and strength to keep blocker on his shoulder. Usually keeps his head up to find the ball. Lacks acceleration to keep outside containment as a five-technique. Not consistent defeating cut blocks with his hands.

Explosion: Not elite in his first step, but has enough to be a pass rush and penetrating run-stopper inside. Ballcarriers feel every bit of his strength when he tackles them, and blockers are bruised up with his punching and swiping throughout the game.

Strength: His ability to play multiple positions not only comes from his quick feet, but also his strength. Lands a big punch into the chest of his man, swipes with aggression to move the blocker aside. Uses his low center of gravity to his advantage, getting leverage to stack one-on-one and shed to either direction when playing two-gap at nose tackle. Senses zone block, uses blocker's inertia against him with a strong push to get into the backfield. Usually anchors well against single and double blocks, but can get moved by NFL-caliber linemen.

Tackling: Strong upper body, hustle, and good length make him an excellent tackler. Engulfs running backs in the backfield when able to penetrate. Built low to the ground, displays excellent change of direction ability to stay in front of backs cutting against the grain. Hustles 10-15 yards downfield to make or help on tackles. Adds himself to piles when able. Lacks elite closing speed to chase down backs from behind. Tends to run out of steam when playing a lot at the end of games.

Intangibles: Coaches say Liuget is a leader in the locker and meetings rooms. Chose Illinois over southern schools because of head coach Ron Zook. Wished to transfer after two years in Champaign due to home sickness; mother said he would not be welcome home if he transferred.