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Old 12-03-2010   #1
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Default Big 12 Championship Nebraska v Oklahoma

So who are you backing the good guys or Oklahoma?

I was thinking the last Big 12 Championship trophy would be a nice parting gift on the way out to the Big 10.

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I heard on 790 that some folks are calling it the "We Both Lost to TAMU" game.
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I'm rooting for Oklahoma. I might be a UT fan, but I do not want to see Nebraska win it on their way to the Big Ten.
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I heard on 790 that some folks are calling it the "We Both Lost to TAMU" game.
Geez, 1 decent year & the jackasses are already out in force for TAMU.

Anyhow, i'm rooting for OU, Stoops is my coaching idol.
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Geez, 1 decent year & the jackasses are already out in force for TAMU.
LOL. That's the way it works.
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I'd like to see Nebraska win this game in their swan-song appearance in the Big 12, and during the offseason OK announce its going to the PAC 10, and the Aggies announce their going to the SEC, and oy yea Mizzou say they are going to join the Cornhuskers in the Big 10. That would pretty much leave UT alone in the conference they single-handedly wrecked when they managed to chase off the best football programs in the conference.
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It's a good thing Nebraska is not playing Texas maybe OU should wear Burnt Orange today!
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I'd like to see Nebraska win this game in their swan-song appearance in the Big 12, and during the offseason OK announce its going to the PAC 10, and the Aggies announce their going to the SEC, and oy yea Mizzou say they are going to join the Cornhuskers in the Big 10. That would pretty much leave UT alone in the conference they single-handedly wrecked when they managed to chase off the best football programs in the conference.
I can understand your homer-ism for Boise, but this post is just a whole new level of ignorance for you.
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I can understand your homer-ism for Boise, but this post is just a whole new level of ignorance for you.
Not really.....
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/7323886.html
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The idea that OU, A&M and Mizzou all leave the Big 12 and UT is stuck alone in a conference? What, you don't think the Pac 10, SEC or Big 10 would want UT to join? I mean really, the amount of ignorance in that post is just astounding, but it's exactly what I would expect from someone who reads Richard Justice.
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The idea that OU, A&M and Mizzou all leave the Big 12 and UT is stuck alone in a conference? What, you don't think the Pac 10, SEC or Big 10 would want UT to join? I mean really, the amount of ignorance in that post is just astounding, but it's exactly what I would expect from someone who reads Richard Justice.
If/when A&M OU and Mizzou leave, then yes Texas will be alone in a conference that will quickly die. Texas will go independant, as they have burned bridges with the PAC 10 and SEC. The Big 10 may invite them but probably not. Texas' arrogance has rubbed many of the other conference members the wrong way and they may be left holding the bag. They will land on their feet, no doubt, but will not be as powerful as they have been in the Big XII
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If/when A&M OU and Mizzou leave, then yes Texas will be alone in a conference that will quickly die. Texas will go independant, as they have burned bridges with the PAC 10 and SEC. The Big 10 may invite them but probably not. Texas' arrogance has rubbed many of the other conference members the wrong way and they may be left holding the bag. They will land on their feet, no doubt, but will not be as powerful as they have been in the Big XII
I just don't see any way that UT somehow gets orphaned into going independent. Even if they do, which sounds unlikely, they will probably wind up like Notre Dame and be successful. There is just too much money surrounding that school to leave them without an invite to the Pac-10 or SEC. The Big 10 is probably a stretch, but it was supposedly a possibility in the last offseason. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing A&M and OU go to the SEC, and I think it would be a lot more interesting, but they are both getting a lot of money over the next 2 years from Nebraska and Colorado leaving, so I doubt we will see any movement until 2013.
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I just don't see any way that UT somehow gets orphaned into going independent. Even if they do, which sounds unlikely, they will probably wind up like Notre Dame and be successful. There is just too much money surrounding that school to leave them without an invite to the Pac-10 or SEC. The Big 10 is probably a stretch, but it was supposedly a possibility in the last offseason. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing A&M and OU go to the SEC, and I think it would be a lot more interesting, but they are both getting a lot of money over the next 2 years from Nebraska and Colorado leaving, so I doubt we will see any movement until 2013.
The word I have heard is that A&M and either Mizzou or OU will move to the SEC after this summer after the Texas Legislature meets. This is so that A&M has time to smooth ruffled feathers and not give the legislature the ability to quickly pull funding as a punitive measure (which they threatened to do this last time). As far as Texas goes, the PAC10 got burned when the move they arranged with Texas fell through (thanks in part to A&M) and reportedly wanted Texas as a package deal with the other schools. Texas by itself is attractive, but Texas loses many prime time games and the travel costs for all sports jump up big time. The SEC would like Texas, but many members are miffed at the shots Texas has taken at the conference in regards to academic standards and stature and would love to give Texas the proverbial finger by inviting their 2 biggest rivals and not them. The Big 10 won't let Texas have their own network, which Texas has already signed with ESPN, so that is pretty much out. The fact that Texas has scheduled so many big name OOC games shows they feel that going indy maybe in their near future.

Add in the fact that Texas is going to be getting $12M more than any other Big XII school, plus the loss of a championship game and you have A&M, OU and Mizzou looking to move to greener pastures.
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OU won't ditch Texas and OSU. Even Justice said as much:

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OU has said it's probably not going anywhere without UT. A&M showed last summer it's married to no one, and so, sometime in the not-too-distant future, the Aggies could be gone.
I also think Justice has a fair point about what the Big 12 should do. I could see the Big 12 expanding. BYU would be a perfect fit -- they have their own multimillion dollar network and would be allowed to keep it in the Big 12. UT's independent network sets a very lucrative and (so far) unique precedent. I think some are underestimating the value of that particular bargaining chip.
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I also think Justice has a fair point about what the Big 12 should do. I could see the Big 12 expanding. BYU would be a perfect fit -- they have their own multimillion dollar network and would be allowed to keep it in the Big 12. UT's independent network sets a very lucrative and (so far) unique precedent. I think some are underestimating the value of that particular bargaining chip.
OU isn't going to let Texas get 30% more revenue every year if there are better deals being offered. Even if they do because they can't shake off OSU, Mizzou will jump at the chance to go to the SEC.

Lose A&M and Mizzou and the conference folds. Bank on it. Even inviting BYU or some other school will make it basically the Big East and still without a championship game.
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The word I have heard is that A&M and either Mizzou or OU will move to the SEC after this summer after the Texas Legislature meets.
Very interesting about Mizzou, which may want out of the Big 12 and out from under the thumb of UT more than any other school, and yet they seem to be having maybe the most difficulty selling their school/program which puzzles me ? After Texas, Missouri is easily the most populous state in the
conference with fairly substantial TV markets in KC & STL.
Missouri has been very overt about it's interest in going to the Big 10, but maybe would settle for the SEC just for the change in scenery ? I'm still surprised that the Big 10 wanted Nebraska over Mizzou, notwithstanding the Cornhuskers great football program/tradition ?
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OU isn't going to let Texas get 30% more revenue every year if there are better deals being offered. Even if they do because they can't shake off OSU, Mizzou will jump at the chance to go to the SEC.

Lose A&M and Mizzou and the conference folds. Bank on it. Even inviting BYU or some other school will make it basically the Big East and still without a championship game.
OU can make additional revenue in the Big 12 that they couldn't in the SEC. They've said before that they will go where Texas and Oklahoma State go. I know they were rumored to jump to the SEC with A&M, but that seemed to be all on Aggie boards and from what I remember Oklahoma never made any claims or even fed the rumors.

I don't think the SEC would take just Mizzou and A&M. Have they said they are even looking at expanding? The pie would be split too many ways, and I'm not sure that those two would bring enough revenue to pay for themselves. IMO the SEC is happy with things the way they are now. They will expand if they have to, but they will only do so as a reaction to a major move from another conference (a la the Pac 10 megadeal last offseason). Their goal isn't really to expand -- it is to make sure no one else takes the top spot from them. If something drastic happens (Notre Dame joining the Big 10 perhaps?) then the SEC may do something, but I don't see them randomly poaching teams. Too many small schools like the deal they have there and wouldn't support adding more mouths at the trough.
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So, did I miss something?

Why would the SEC want A&M? For representation in Texas? IMO, A&M would get beat up in the SEC in both the team and conference's current state.
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Why would the SEC want A&M? For representation in Texas? IMO, A&M would get beat up in the SEC in both the team and conference's current state.
SEC wants to expand into Texas and bring in the big Texas markets (and thus a larger payout from the networks). We'll see how A&M competes against the SEC in the Cotton bowl. A&M played Arkansas tight (a likely BCS team) and had Tannehill played that game, likely would have won.
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SEC wants to expand into Texas and bring in the big Texas markets (and thus a larger payout from the networks). We'll see how A&M competes against the SEC in the Cotton bowl. A&M played Arkansas tight (a likely BCS team) and had Tannehill played that game, likely would have won.
I agree that A&M is rapidly improving in football (they are already very good at most other sports), and I'm not saying they couldn't compete in the SEC. I just don't think they can individually pull in enough to pay for themselves, especially when coupled with Mizzou -- who I am not so sure would want to go to the SEC even if an invite were offered. Mizzou doesn't own Missouri simply because they are the only major football program in the state. St. Louis has a ton of graduates from Illinois, Nebraska, OSU, Wisconsin, Indiana, and other midwestern schools. The University of Kansas is half an hour from Kansas City, MO. That connection doesn't exist between St. Louis residents and the University of Alabama.
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