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Old 11-26-2010   #1
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havent had the stomach to rewatch the jets game till now.. and im not really into looking for excuses or whatever. it shouldve never came to that last td play but just rewatched the game there and on the last play... just watch what happens cushing smh

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btw i know its waaaaaay too late to post this but just hadnt seen it mentioned by anyone
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havent had the stomach to rewatch the jets game till now.. and im not really into looking for excuses or whatever. it shouldve never came to that last td play but just rewatched the game there and on the last play... just watch what happens cushing smh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvzVZHYys6o
Damn! I didn't see that before, but he was just flat out tackled when he had a clear path to the qb! I sure hope they sent that to the league office!
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What the H didn't Quin try to strip that ball at the end? Holmes had it in one hand and it could have been stripped quite easily. They may have determined that he had already secured the ball, but still, with all the flaky calls that have been made on touchdown catches you would think he would have at least tried to knock it away. Pretty sad to see him give up as soon as the ball got over his head.

Edit: Also, that tackle on Cushing was pretty ridiculous. Should have been an easy call.
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Even obvious from a different angle on the replay. Shitty.
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What the H didn't Quin try to strip that ball at the end? Holmes had it in one hand and it could have been stripped quite easily. They may have determined that he had already secured the ball, but still, with all the flaky calls that have been made on touchdown catches you would think he would have at least tried to knock it away. Pretty sad to see him give up as soon as the ball got over his head.

Edit: Also, that tackle on Cushing was pretty ridiculous. Should have been an easy call.
From all of the camera angles, it was pretty clear that Quin so beaten that he was around 3 feet away from the receiver by the time he went out of bounds in the corner of the end zone. No chance for a meaningful strip.
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What the H didn't Quin try to strip that ball at the end? Holmes had it in one hand and it could have been stripped quite easily. They may have determined that he had already secured the ball, but still, with all the flaky calls that have been made on touchdown catches you would think he would have at least tried to knock it away. Pretty sad to see him give up as soon as the ball got over his head.

Edit: Also, that tackle on Cushing was pretty ridiculous. Should have been an easy call.
Texans have been getting the short end of the deal (quite a bit more than the opponents) all year long, I don't see any use of crying foul about it.

But just for the sake of talking about that play, you can see at least two things that could have been called:

1. The blocker's action on Cushing.

Blocker cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an opponent in a manner that restricts his movement as the play develops.

2. The illegal pick by the outside receiver on KJ.

Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.


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BTW, once the catch was made, there's no use for Quin to do anything.
Play was over.
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What was peculiar was the D-call.
I would expect some sort of tango between KJ and Quin (switching).
The way Quin was positioned, there was no way he can defend that wheel route due to the natural barrier created by the slot receiver and KJ.

It was an 8-man blitz.
If the Texans were to play straight man like that, it would make more sense to have Quin play on the LOS.
If the receiver beats the jam, Quin probably would have to commit PI to prevent the TD.

I'm not so sure the coaches put the players in a position to succeed on that play.
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What was peculiar was the D-call.
I would expect some sort of tango between KJ and Quin (switching).
The way Quin was positioned, there was no way he can defend that wheel route due to the natural barrier created by the slot receiver and KJ.

It was an 8-man blitz.
If the Texans were to play straight man like that, it would make more sense to have Quin play on the LOS.
If the receiver beats the jam, Quin probably would have to commit PI to prevent the TD.

I'm not so sure the coaches put the players in a position to succeed on that play.
On this D, do they ever?
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Wow, never noticed that. EGREGIOUS! How could that not be called. Holy crap. I'm pissed all over again.
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Wow, never noticed that. EGREGIOUS! How could that not be called. Holy crap. I'm pissed all over again.
Why? If it had been called, they still would have been able to get a minimum of two more plays off with ten seconds remaining to go with a timeout. The TD was inevitable.
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Texans have been getting the short end of the deal (quite a bit more than the opponents) all year long, I don't see any use of crying foul about it.

But just for the sake of talking about that play, you can see at least two things that could have been called:

1. The blocker's action on Cushing.

Blocker cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an opponent in a manner that restricts his movement as the play develops.
I agree with this... pretty obvious. But like you said, what's the point. It is what it is. We've probably gotten away with some of these our selves.
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2. The illegal pick by the outside receiver on KJ.

Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.


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I don't think it was an illegal pick, it was actually our player in Quin's path... see how KJ fronted the receiver, to prevent the slant??
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BTW, once the catch was made, there's no use for Quin to do anything.
Play was over.
yup...... [/nuff said]
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What was peculiar was the D-call.
I would expect some sort of tango between KJ and Quin (switching).
The way Quin was positioned, there was no way he can defend that wheel route due to the natural barrier created by the slot receiver and KJ.

It was an 8-man blitz.
If the Texans were to play straight man like that, it would make more sense to have Quin play on the LOS.
If the receiver beats the jam, Quin probably would have to commit PI to prevent the TD.

I'm not so sure the coaches put the players in a position to succeed on that play.
My beef with Bush on this play is that we've seen it at least half a dozen times, we defend it the same way every time, & we get beat on it every time.

If they were playing man, KJac has got to be on the line, to jam his man at the line, preventing Holmes from running the underneath unabated. I'm more apt to blame the rookie than the DC with a veteran defensive staff..... maybe Bush is a rookie DC, but he's got LB coaches, DB coaches, DL coaches, Defensive assistant coaches & a whole slew of people who have seen the same thing we've seen multiple times.

if the coaches are telling both DBs to play back off the line like that, they need to be playing zone... with a man look. the only option is to switch.

Quin should hold his ground, & watch the QB for the slant. He needs to keep one eye on the outside receiver and roll with him if he gets behind him. If the receiver in front of him runs straight at him, or tries to slant inside, he's still got it covered.

KJac needs to be doing the same thing..... he needs to keep the inside receiver in the corner of his eye, if the inside receiver cuts out, he's got to switch... no other option, he has to stay on top of him, & not allow him into the end zone unabated, there is no way for Quin to get to the outside. Quin would have to take the outside receiver, the fade will still be difficult to defend, but he won't be 3 yards behind... he should still be able to make a play.

But overall, I agree there is something wrong with the coaching, if this keeps happening again & again, & this does.

A player falling down all the time, I can't blame that on the coaches, but this..... this has got to be a coaching issue.
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A player falling down all the time, I can't blame that on the coaches, but this..... this has got to be a coaching issue.
If the player is asked to play poor technique (like shuffling backwards rather than backpedaling), then I can blame coaching for a player falling down.
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If the player is asked to play poor technique (like shuffling backwards rather than backpedaling), then I can blame coaching for a player falling down.
This is true but I don't see Jackson shuffling. I don't see anyone shuffling really. Do you? Jackson seems to have a poor bite getting off. I think his initial response time is slow and he falls down because he's in the process of getting beat. He has some really nice jets on him. Now to work on planting his feet and his timing...
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This is true but I don't see Jackson shuffling. I don't see anyone shuffling really. Do you?
Um, yeah I do. Watch these (ahem) highlights of the Giants/Texans debacle. Also, there is a thread here discussing the shuffle technique Gibbs employs.

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Um, yeah I do. Watch these (ahem) highlights of the Giants/Texans debacle. Also, there is a thread here discussing the shuffle technique Gibbs employs.
Both links go to the same thread.

I've certainly heard all about the shuffle for a couple years now... I don't see it. I really would like to see the Giants game highlights. If anyone looks like they're doing it... it'd be McCain but I think that's more of him being a piss-poor CB than anything else. I think the discussions relating to the "implementation" of this technique is a little overblown. I don't doubt they practice it but ultimately the players do what comes to them naturally.
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I don't doubt they practice it but ultimately the players do what comes to them naturally.
I don't know about that...

A lot of football techniques aren't really "natural" movements...

Especially when you're talking about a CB who is moving backward at a fairly high rate of speed. You normally practice certain techniques so that it becomes a habit.

If they are practicing the shuffling technique I highly doubt they go into game day and do their own thing.
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I don't know about that...

A lot of football techniques aren't really "natural" movements...

Especially when you're talking about a CB who is moving backward at a fairly high rate of speed. You normally practice certain techniques so that it becomes a habit.

If they are practicing the shuffling technique I highly doubt they go into game day and do their own thing.
When somebody has practiced this or that all their life... that technique becomes what's natural to them. All accounts from the Gibbs' change hampers those who have always backpeddled at this stage. It's why I added the word ultimately in.

Shuffling just doesn't seem natural unless one has years of practice. I think Gibbs needs to start with high schoolers in order to have more success.
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I've certainly heard all about the shuffle for a couple years now... I don't see it.
Keep looking.

Kareem shuffling
on a 45 yard completion to Steve Smith.

Freakin' NFL.com highlights won't jump directly to video. Scroll down to "Steve Smith 45-yard catch".
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