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First of all, I had the "fortune" to be able to attend yesterday's game and big props to our fans who made the trip from Houston. You guys were great!

Outside of the amazingly poor clock management at the end of the half (something we are used to at this point), I cannot understand why we didn't give Rackers a shot at a field goal, which would have cut the lead to 3.

The flags on the goal posts were not moving an inch and that is certainly within the type of range you would expect to be able to get from our kicker.

Sadly, I remember turning to my buddy saying, "I sure hope we don't lose this game by 3." Well, we see how that turned out...

What gives? Why not give Rackers a shot? To me, this was one of the biggest coaching failures of the game (of which there were many).
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First of all, I had the "fortune" to be able to attend yesterday's game and big props to our fans who made the trip from Houston. You guys were great!

Outside of the amazingly poor clock management at the end of the half (something we are used to at this point), I cannot understand why we didn't give Rackers a shot at a field goal, which would have cut the lead to 3.

The flags on the goal posts were not moving an inch and that is certainly within the type of range you would expect to be able to get from our kicker.

Sadly, I remember turning to my buddy saying, "I sure hope we don't lose this game by 3." Well, we see how that turned out...

What gives? Why not give Rackers a shot? To me, this was one of the biggest coaching failures of the game (of which there were many).

You couldn't fit all of his failures into a book. You'd have to do one of those book a month club multi volume sets to fit everything in. He's a joke.
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You couldn't fit all of his failures into a book. You'd have to do one of those book a month club multi volume sets to fit everything in. He's a joke.
It could be an encyclopedia.. "Kubiak's Encyclopedia of FAIL". Honestly, this man epitomizes the word fail. Every game it gets a little worse, and a little worse.. it's like a black hole of despair and doom.
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I didn't mind it so much. Schaub got a pass off that was right in AJ's reach. Revis just got a FINGERNAIL on the thing and knocked it off course just enough that he couldn't make the catch. Had he made that catch, everyone would be talking about how genius the play was.

It's hard to ***** about the offense. The playcalling has been pretty spot-on during this losing streak. You put up 27 on the Jets, you should win that f'ing game. PERIOD.
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I didn't mind it so much. Schaub got a pass off that was right in AJ's reach. Revis just got a FINGERNAIL on the thing and knocked it off course just enough that he couldn't make the catch. Had he made that catch, everyone would be talking about how genius the play was.

It's hard to ***** about the offense. The playcalling has been pretty spot-on during this losing streak. You put up 27 on the Jets, you should win that f'ing game. PERIOD.
The last play (instaed of an attempted FG) ended up as a sack of Schaub...
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The last play (instaed of an attempted FG) ended up as a sack of Schaub...
They were on the 39 yard line. That would have been a 56 yard FG attempt.

The time management issue there irked me and that's on Schaub, not Kubiak. I also didn't like the hurry up play call of Schaub's throwing to AJ over toward the side line. He wasted so much time and then was going for an extended pass on the sideline?? As much time as that play takes to develop and run, there was a very good chance time would have run out and we wouldn't be able to attempt a shorter FG. I think Schaub should have done a shorter/quicker pass play and then immediately called a timeout (the one we had and didn't use). Or call a timeout in the first place that would have stopped the clock at like 20 seconds and then run another route over to the sideline like he went ahead and did.

As for the sack on the last play. That's one of those that is a meaningless sack. The last thing you want to do is force a throw at the end of the 1st half when you're only down 13-7 that gets intercepted and returned for a TD. A sack with 1 second left on the clock is as good as an incomplete pass, a throw a away or a kneel down. Schaub knew that and is why he took the sack and didn't force anything.
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They were on the 39 yard line. That would have been a 56 yard FG attempt.

The time management issue there irked me and that's on Schaub, not Kubiak. I also didn't like the hurry up play call of Schaub's throwing to AJ over toward the side line. He wasted so much time and then was going for an extended pass on the sideline?? As much time as that play takes to develop and run, there was a very good chance time would have run out and we wouldn't be able to attempt a shorter FG. I think Schaub should have done a shorter/quicker pass play and then immediately called a timeout (the one we had and didn't use). Or call a timeout in the first place that would have stopped the clock at like 20 seconds and then run another route over to the sideline like he went ahead and did.

As for the sack on the last play. That's one of those that is a meaningless sack. The last thing you want to do is force a throw at the end of the 1st half when you're only down 13-7 that gets intercepted and returned for a TD. A sack with 1 second left on the clock is as good as an incomplete pass, a throw a away or a kneel down. Schaub knew that and is why he took the sack and didn't force anything.
So you think a 39 yard throw is statistically a better option (not letting the emotions of the Jags game skew us) than letting Rackers try a 56 yard FG? I don't subscribe to that logic at all...

Not questioning the play call itself - rather the decision not to try the FG. Stupid football...
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Hard to get upset about that beyond the prospect of an attempt. That is right on the edge, if not outside of rackers' range. It certainly was no gimme as Rackers has shanked a few attempts alot closer this season.
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They were on the 39 yard line. That would have been a 56 yard FG attempt.

The time management issue there irked me and that's on Schaub, not Kubiak. I also didn't like the hurry up play call of Schaub's throwing to AJ over toward the side line. He wasted so much time and then was going for an extended pass on the sideline?? As much time as that play takes to develop and run, there was a very good chance time would have run out and we wouldn't be able to attempt a shorter FG. I think Schaub should have done a shorter/quicker pass play and then immediately called a timeout (the one we had and didn't use). Or call a timeout in the first place that would have stopped the clock at like 20 seconds and then run another route over to the sideline like he went ahead and did.

As for the sack on the last play. That's one of those that is a meaningless sack. The last thing you want to do is force a throw at the end of the 1st half when you're only down 13-7 that gets intercepted and returned for a TD. A sack with 1 second left on the clock is as good as an incomplete pass, a throw a away or a kneel down. Schaub knew that and is why he took the sack and didn't force anything.
I asked you this same thing in another thread, but do you blame that fully on Schaub? Kubiak is the QB coach and should be the one teaching Schaub what to do in these situations. This isn't the first time Schaub has wasted a boat load of time in that type of situation. Do you think Schaub isn't listening, is doing what Kubiak is teaching him, or is not coachable?

I agree we should have used our last timeout rather than hurrying up to throw that incompletion that left us 1 second left. After using the timeout, we could have run a play along the sidelines to try and move the ball forward a little bit for a FG attempt. Either way, I kick the 56 yard FG. Not try to throw a hail mary, especially when your QB doesn't have much arm strength. Schaub has consistently shown that he doesn't have a strong arm. Andre is missing 4 or 5 TDs in his career because of this.
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So you think a 39 yard throw is statistically a better option (not letting the emotions of the Jags game skew us) than letting Rackers try a 56 yard FG? I don't subscribe to that logic at all...

Not questioning the play call itself - rather the decision not to try the FG. Stupid football...
I'm not upset about going for it but I probably would have tried the FG too. The only thing that worries me in that situation is how much easier it is to block it. What are the chances of that? I'll admit they may be slim but 56 is a long way, esp. for Rackers. He seems to have a fairly low trajectory too.
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I asked you this same thing in another thread, but do you blame that fully on Schaub? Kubiak is the QB coach and should be the one teaching Schaub what to do in these situations. This isn't the first time Schaub has wasted a boat load of time in that type of situation. Do you think Schaub isn't listening, is doing what Kubiak is teaching him, or is not coachable?

I agree we should have used our last timeout rather than hurrying up to throw that incompletion that left us 1 second left. After using the timeout, we could have run a play along the sidelines to try and move the ball forward a little bit for a FG attempt. Either way, I kick the 56 yard FG. Not try to throw a hail mary, especially when your QB doesn't have much arm strength. Schaub has consistently shown that he doesn't have a strong arm. Andre is missing 4 or 5 TDs in his career because of this.
I'm not sure what the issue is there. Greg Knapp is actually the Quarterback coach. I agree fully that Kubiak has a HUGE influence on Schaub and developing him but Schaub/Knapp work more together on a 1on1 basis, especially during the game. Like you said, this isn't the first time and that's one of the biggest reasons why it pisses me off. Is it Kubiak? Is it Schaub? Is it Knapp? I like giving Schaub the reigns, I think he does a good job in a "hurry up" type of offense... but there's been so many instances where we'll waste 10-15 crucial seconds. I don't think it's Schaub being uncoachable but I think he may have too much confidence in creating that last play to set up a FG or better hail marry pass. Schaub definitely doesn't have that cannon arm but in a hail marry situation he's got more than enough from the 39 yard line.

I'm more upset about the series of plays that last 30 seconds. Like I said, I probably would have tried the FG too but I don't think that playcall had as big of an effect on the outcome of the game as some might.
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can't Kubiak call a timeout from the sideline?
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I like the playcall and I'm not a fan of going for the FG at that point. A 56 yard field goal attempt that comes up short gives their fast azz punt returner a great shot to run all the way back down the field trying to avoid a bunch of linemen. That 3 can be -7 in a hurry. That would have pretty much ended the game at that point right there.

I know. You don't plan for something like that... but a hail mary is a lower percentage of getting it returned for six (since you've got wr's and rbs on the field and not a bunch of linemen) and a potentially bigger reward.

I wouldn't have been upset with a FG attempt either. I guess I just see both sides.

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I'm not upset about going for it but I probably would have tried the FG too. The only thing that worries me in that situation is how much easier it is to block it. What are the chances of that? I'll admit they may be slim but 56 is a long way, esp. for Rackers. He seems to have a fairly low trajectory too.

I'm not sure what the issue is there. Greg Knapp is actually the Quarterback coach. I agree fully that Kubiak has a HUGE influence on Schaub and developing him but Schaub/Knapp work more together on a 1on1 basis, especially during the game. Like you said, this isn't the first time and that's one of the biggest reasons why it pisses me off. Is it Kubiak? Is it Schaub? Is it Knapp? I like giving Schaub the reigns, I think he does a good job in a "hurry up" type of offense... but there's been so many instances where we'll waste 10-15 crucial seconds. I don't think it's Schaub being uncoachable but I think he may have too much confidence in creating that last play to set up a FG or better hail marry pass. Schaub definitely doesn't have that cannon arm but in a hail marry situation he's got more than enough from the 39 yard line.

I'm more upset about the series of plays that last 30 seconds. Like I said, I probably would have tried the FG too but I don't think that playcall had as big of an effect on the outcome of the game as some might.
I wish we had more information about our 2 minute drills.

Something that utahmark said is that Kubiak can call a timeout from the sideline. Had Schaub's decision to run a play there been way off of Kubiak's thinking, you would think we would have seen Kubiak call a timeout. It could be that he expected Schuab to run a different play, but even then your cutting it too close in that situation IMO.

About Knapp, I don't think he is the one teaching his viewpoints to Schaub or what to do in the 2 minute drill, or in any situation. I think practically all QB coaching comes from Kubiak. Knapp is just there to reinforce what Kubiak is teaching. I have no proof of this, just how I would imagine it going with Kubiak.
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About the 2 minute drill. They flashed a graphic up saying that we had not scored a TD when receiving the ball with less than 2 minutes left in a half at any time this year. I don't know when we got the ball in the Washington game... so I don't know if that was correct.

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I don't see the end of the half as a failure as much as I see it as an expression of the team philosophy. Kubiak rarely "goes for it" at the end of the half. For five years he's more willing to kill the clock and go into halftime or overtime than he is willing to take a risk and try to score.
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can't Kubiak call a timeout from the sideline?
Do you mean to ask is it possible? Orrrrr like...why didn't he?

Yeah, I believe Head Coaches can call timeouts. But that's only reserved for HC's who know WTF they are doing.

Precious seconds ticking by...with a timeout...not rocket science here. Possession before the half/scoring before the half can have a monumental impact on the game. As can NOT scoring before the half. The evidence is abundant.
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