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Old 11-17-2010   #1
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Default Rex Ryan - "Kareem Jackson's going to be an outstanding player"

If you're like me and you've lost all respect for any opinion this coaching staff voices, you've probably ignored any of the press quotes about Kareem. They're usually something like "he's making mistakes now but he'll get better" blah blah blah.

Well when I read this I felt a lot more positively about our 1st rounder.

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On the challenges for a rookie corner like Kareem Jackson: “Kareem Jackson’s going to be an outstanding player – an outstanding player… It’s just a different game. The skill level is phenomenal in this league. You may have a guy covered in college, what you think is covered in college, well, that’s open in the NFL… Everybody makes mistakes. They’re all going to get beat. I mean, Darrelle Revis gave up a touchdown this year. You know, those things happen. But the guys that make it are the ones that can learn from it and take coaching.”
Rex Ryan is no BSer. I think if he thought Kareem was a bust or just drafted too high, he would've said it in so many words. I bet if anything he's thinking "if only we could get him in a room with OUR coaches how much better would he be?" Either way, it should make us feel better that when Kubiak and Rick Smith are gone next year (fingers crossed), we won't be left with a 1st round bust on our hands. If Rex believes in Kareem, I believe in Kareem.
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Default Re: Rex Ryan - "Kareem Jackson's going to be an outstanding player"

Sounds good.

Can we get him some better coaching, please?
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Rex Ryan and his crafty tricks. Trying to get Glover to let down his guard!
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I mean, Darrelle Revis gave up a touchdown this year. You know, those things happen.
Sounded like a back-handed compliment to me.
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Sounded like a back-handed compliment to me.
I don't see it that way. I see how you're seeing it, but I just don't think that's Rex's intention. I think he's just using that as an example to say "even if you're the best in the league you're gonna get beat at times."

Besides I don't think Rex does the whole back-handed compliment thing. He's a straight shooter.
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If you're like me and you've lost all respect for any opinion this coaching staff voices, you've probably ignored any of the press quotes about Kareem. They're usually something like "he's making mistakes now but he'll get better" blah blah blah.

Well when I read this I felt a lot more positively about our 1st rounder.



Rex Ryan is no BSer. I think if he thought Kareem was a bust or just drafted too high, he would've said it in so many words. I bet if anything he's thinking "if only we could get him in a room with OUR coaches how much better would he be?" Either way, it should make us feel better that when Kubiak and Rick Smith are gone next year (fingers crossed), we won't be left with a 1st round bust on our hands. If Rex believes in Kareem, I believe in Kareem.
Rex Ryan is a 3-4 coach and sees KJ as a 3-4 corner which he could be with a really good safety over the top as a wingman. Jackson has a long way to go to be a 4-3 CB. Believe what you want.
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Rex handed out many compliments last year too. Then he commenced to whoopin out asses game 1. So yeah, his words mean little to nothing to me.
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Rex Ryan is a 3-4 coach and sees KJ as a 3-4 corner which he could be with a really good safety over the top as a wingman. Jackson has a long way to go to be a 4-3 CB. Believe what you want.
What do you see in Kareem that lends to him being a better 3-4 CB than 4-3? Or I guess better worded: What weaknesses are preventing him from being a "4-3 CB"?


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Rex handed out many compliments last year too. Then he commenced to whoopin out asses game 1. So yeah, his words mean little to nothing to me.
Yeah but Rex doesn't give compliments to players who don't deserve it. Don't you think Rex answers questions honestly? He's not the type to "pay lip service" to anyone.
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What do you see in Kareem that lends to him being a better 3-4 CB than 4-3? Or I guess better worded: What weaknesses are preventing him from being a "4-3 CB"?

The ability to stay on his feet?
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What do you see in Kareem that lends to him being a better 3-4 CB than 4-3? Or I guess better worded: What weaknesses are preventing him from being a "4-3 CB"?




Yeah but Rex doesn't give compliments to players who don't deserve it. Don't you think Rex answers questions honestly? He's not the type to "pay lip service" to anyone.
Maybe questions about his own team
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Maybe questions about his own team
I haven't seen anything in Rex's history with the media that would suggest he goes around throwing empty compliments at any random opponent's player even if they don't deserve it. I can't even remember one example of that.
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Rex Ryan doesn't coach the Texans. Unless he's coaching the Texans or a possible future coach for us, why should we care? At this point he's the enemy, and I wouldn't trust anything he has to say anyway.
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Sounds good.

Can we get him some better coaching, please?
That's what I was thinking!
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What do you see in Kareem that lends to him being a better 3-4 CB than 4-3? Or I guess better worded: What weaknesses are preventing him from being a "4-3 CB"?KJ to be a good 4-3 CB needs fluid hips and hip swivle. If he is back pedaling with WR to either side and WR suddenly goes to the other side, hip swivle allows CB to move accordingly without losing much if any ground. His tendancy as a "bump" the receiver type CB (especially since he misses the bump so often) would not be a negative because corners are often allowed to blitz and I think he would be good at that. I think Jackson would be a pretty good SS.




Yeah but Rex doesn't give compliments to players who don't deserve it. Don't you think Rex answers questions honestly? He's not the type to "pay lip service" to anyone.
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Can somebody explain to me how a cornerback could be more suited to play in a 3-4 base defense over a 4-3 base, or vice versa? I can see how one may be better at man coverage or zone coverage or whatever... but I never really understood how the front 7 had that much of an effect.
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Can somebody explain to me how a cornerback could be more suited to play in a 3-4 base defense over a 4-3 base, or vice versa? I can see how one may be better at man coverage or zone coverage or whatever... but I never really understood how the front 7 had that much of an effect.

It's mostly about scheme and how the system is run. The front 7 responsibilties change for gaps, etc. So you need guys that may be used to that, and typically beefier mountains ont the line. The DB's are on different schemes though.

Either way you slice it, no matter who is complementing it, it doesn't matter. This defense is the football equivalent to the 2 girls, 1 cup video.

It's nasty and just makes you want to vomit.
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KJ to be a good 4-3 CB needs fluid hips and hip swivle. If he is back pedaling with WR to either side and WR suddenly goes to the other side, hip swivle allows CB to move accordingly without losing much if any ground. His tendancy as a "bump" the receiver type CB (especially since he misses the bump so often) would not be a negative because corners are often allowed to blitz and I think he would be good at that. I think Jackson would be a pretty good SS.
I don't see any difference between a 3-4 or a 4-3 corner.

I don't know that his problem in bump coverage is that he misses.... I think he just doesn't know how strong a "physical" receiver in the NFL really is.

He's going to have to learn a lot..... I don't think he's doing any worse than say Rodgers-Cromartie did his rookie year. If he's tough enough, he'll be a good corner.
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It's mostly about scheme and how the system is run. The front 7 responsibilties change for gaps, etc. So you need guys that may be used to that, and typically beefier mountains ont the line. The DB's are on different schemes though.

Either way you slice it, no matter who is complementing it, it doesn't matter. This defense is the football equivalent to the 2 girls, 1 cup video.

It's nasty and just makes you want to vomit.
Sorry not to offend, but I don't think that's a really responsive answer to the origional question.
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Sorry not to offend, but I don't think that's a really responsive answer to the origional question.
3-4s tend to be man-coverage (with the biggest exception being the Pats).

The SS is usually much more active on the blitz, leaving CBs on islands a lot of the time

The Jets use a lot of man and press.
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Larry Izzo was on the Jets when we played them last year. He said
the coaches got a hold of the Texans' offseason training program, and
preached to his guys how much MORE the Jets worked than the Texans
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....yeah, get us better coaching please.
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