Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-08-2005   #181
D-ReK
RAWWWRR!
 
D-ReK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Avalon
Age: 30
Posts: 3,406
Rep Power: 685 D-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Personally, I think we should have kept him here and let him play out his contract, but maybe the organization wants to just get on with the future and see what we have here after the draft...None of us truely know what the FO was thinking with this move, but I'm anxious to see the result...
__________________
Smoke 'em if you got 'em...
D-ReK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2005   #182
TexansFanInPA
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Lancaster, PA
Age: 32
Posts: 12
Rep Power: 0 TexansFanInPA is ridin' the pine
Send a message via AIM to TexansFanInPA Send a message via Yahoo to TexansFanInPA
Default

Yeah...Well I personally will be a fan of his where ever he goes. I'm kinda hopein he had an off season.
__________________

Out Like A Fat Kid In Dodgeball!
TexansFanInPA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2005   #183
SESupergenius
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by infantrycak
While I think Sharper is a very good LB and was great for the Texans the 1st two years, he did not deserve to be paid like Ray Lewis.
Ray Lewis signed a seven-year, $50-million contract with a $19-million bonus, how does that fall in line with Sharpers?


Quote:
Originally Posted by infantrycak
they obviously disagreed on the amount and/or length of the contract. We will never know whether Sharper was demanding fair market value and the Texans weren't paying it or the Texans were offering fmv and Sharper wouldn't take it.
And yet we give the huge salaries to Walker (coming straight off and injury) Glenn (2 years older than Sharper) but shun Sharper for playing in almost every game and being a staple for the defense. And speaking of his decline last year, why is he getting no slack for his knee injury?

Quote:
Originally Posted by infantrycak
IMO the only question in the deal is whether it was smart to release him now or say goodbye after this season.
My thinking is that the Texans are planning for something big, no way you "upgrade" your defense by signing Greenwood and Moreno.....stay tuned.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2005   #184
TexansTrueFan
Hall of Fame
 
TexansTrueFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Huntsville Tx
Age: 30
Posts: 2,600
Rep Power: 13 TexansTrueFan is a team player
Send a message via Yahoo to TexansTrueFan
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by infantrycak
While I think Sharper is a very good LB and was great for the Texans the 1st two years, he did not deserve to be paid like Ray Lewis. Something for folks to remember in this, the Texans didn't negotiate this contract with Sharper--this was a contract taken over in the expansion draft. The reports from both sides were the Texans and Sharper wanted to work out an extension so both sides (a) wanted to stay together (b) thought Sharper was still productive and (c) fit the system fine--they obviously disagreed on the amount and/or length of the contract. We will never know whether Sharper was demanding fair market value and the Texans weren't paying it or the Texans were offering fmv and Sharper wouldn't take it. IMO the only question in the deal is whether it was smart to release him now or say goodbye after this season.

Oh i agree,,,,, it seemed to me his production was declining. And while he was one of my fav players, he wasnt part of the texans youthful team we are building.
TexansTrueFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2005   #185
infantrycak
Lead Moderator
 
infantrycak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 47
Posts: 49,279
Rep Power: 413804 infantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SESupergenius
Ray Lewis signed a seven-year, $50-million contract with a $19-million bonus, how does that fall in line with Sharpers?
I was talking about their compensation for the 2005 season under each of their contracts--but you knew that when you asked the question.

Quote:
And yet we give the huge salaries to Walker (coming straight off and injury) Glenn (2 years older than Sharper) but shun Sharper for playing in almost every game and being a staple for the defense. And speaking of his decline last year, why is he getting no slack for his knee injury?
And Walker's contract may prove to be an incredibly bad decision if he doesn't up his play--does having made one potentially bad decision mean they are committed to pay anything any vet wants?--of course not. As for the injury, it was my understanding it was very minor and my impression prior to the injury that his play had fallen off. Don't get me wrong on fallen off comments--doesn't mean I think he sucked, is over the hill, won't be productive, etc. But it does need to be taken into consideration in contract negotiations, just like a pro-bowl year would have been to his benefit.

Quote:
My thinking is that the Texans are planning for something big, no way you "upgrade" your defense by signing Greenwood and Moreno.....stay tuned.
That was my first reaction as well. Thing is the only high dollar guys out there right now are Alexander and Edgerrin James and moving on either of those guys would surprise me and John Abraham who has some injury/attitude issues that also concern me.
__________________
The Art of War
infantrycak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2005   #186
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 9,835
Rep Power: 14626 El Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

I am sure the next MLB will come in a do what Jamie Sharper did for us before. Lead the team in tackles. To be quite honest, Jamie Sharper was never the MLB that the opponent had to game plan for. Right now without him, we still really don't have that guy. Dunta is about as close to one as any of the players we have on defense and jury is still out to see how he does in his sophmore season.

I agree Jamie Sharper was a good player, I agree to some extent he will be missed teamwise and fanwise. However, I do feel his production can and will be replaced. It has to. We don't have a choice now.
El Tejano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2005   #187
nunusguy
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Houston
Posts: 8,991
Rep Power: 185 nunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

The Seahawks are putting a big move on Sharper according to this article out of the local Seattle News Paper.
"The recruiting menu was upgraded to champagne and caviar yesterday, when president of football operations Tim Ruskell and linebackers coach John Marshall piled into a limousine at 5 p.m. for a dinner rendezvous with free-agent linebacker Jamie Sharper."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/footba...53_hawk08.html
nunusguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 04-08-2005   #188
SESupergenius
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by infantrycak
I was talking about their compensation for the 2005 season under each of their contracts--but you knew that when you asked the question.
no reason to just compare 1 season when contracts are tiered, you can't compare someones contract in a specific year when contracts are so backloaded. If you want to compare apples to apples then compare Sharpers last year of his contract to Lewis' last year figure of his contract. Good Luck.


Quote:
Originally Posted by infantrycak
And Walker's contract may prove to be an incredibly bad decision if he doesn't up his play--does having made one potentially bad decision mean they are committed to pay anything any vet wants?--of course not. As for the injury, it was my understanding it was very minor and my impression prior to the injury that his play had fallen off. Don't get me wrong on fallen off comments--doesn't mean I think he sucked, is over the hill, won't be productive, etc. But it does need to be taken into consideration in contract negotiations, just like a pro-bowl year would have been to his benefit.
That's only a theory in your part because Walker could equally be worth the contract this coming year. He's going to be healthy for the first time in a long time going into camp so other than having a down year last year you can only speculate, but I believe he will do better. I'm curious, when do you think Sharper's play actually started to "fall off"? What point was the decline?


Quote:
Originally Posted by infantrycak
That was my first reaction as well. Thing is the only high dollar guys out there right now are Alexander and Edgerrin James and moving on either of those guys would surprise me and John Abraham who has some injury/attitude issues that also concern me.
Not to sure if the signing has to be a high dollar FA. I don't know where they are going with this, but they sure are making it seem that they are clearing for something. Foreman and Sharper cleared some good space. I'd hate for them not to use it.
June 1 cuts or Draft Day always create intrigue.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2005   #189
michaelm
vox nihili
 
michaelm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Spring, TX
Section: 648
Age: 49
Posts: 5,703
Rep Power: 107589 michaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexansTrueFan
well i dont see how the front office is not to blame, they didnt wanna pay him the money he deserved to get...
deserve really has nothing to do with it... performance < contract value...
he wasn't playing up to the level of his pay... nothing personal to Jamie...
if he had a small contract and performed at a level higher than his pay, he'd be asking to renegotiate in a second. He probably believes his value is higher that it actually is right now. He will most likely end up signing for less than he would have made under the last year of his Texans contract IMO, but again with a multi year, backloaded contract.
michaelm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2005   #190
infantrycak
Lead Moderator
 
infantrycak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 47
Posts: 49,279
Rep Power: 413804 infantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

We should have an over/under contest on this issue: When Sharper signs will it be for over or under the contract of Kendrell Bell? Tie-breaker--closest prediction on the actual contract signing bonus, total value and length.
__________________
The Art of War
infantrycak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2005   #191
TexansTrueFan
Hall of Fame
 
TexansTrueFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Huntsville Tx
Age: 30
Posts: 2,600
Rep Power: 13 TexansTrueFan is a team player
Send a message via Yahoo to TexansTrueFan
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelm
deserve really has nothing to do with it... performance < contract value...
he wasn't playing up to the level of his pay... nothing personal to Jamie...
if he had a small contract and performed at a level higher than his pay, he'd be asking to renegotiate in a second. He probably believes his value is higher that it actually is right now. He will most likely end up signing for less than he would have made under the last year of his Texans contract IMO, but again with a multi year, backloaded contract.

exactly why do you think nobody wanted a trade for him, and teams just waited till we released him, which we said we were gonna do.
TexansTrueFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2005   #192
thegr8fan
All Pro
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 872
Rep Power: 667 thegr8fan is a quality contributor and well respectedthegr8fan is a quality contributor and well respectedthegr8fan is a quality contributor and well respectedthegr8fan is a quality contributor and well respectedthegr8fan is a quality contributor and well respectedthegr8fan is a quality contributor and well respectedthegr8fan is a quality contributor and well respectedthegr8fan is a quality contributor and well respectedthegr8fan is a quality contributor and well respectedthegr8fan is a quality contributor and well respectedthegr8fan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

the timing on this thing is real wierd, IMHO. So you gotta keep coming back to the same question, why now and not later? Looking at it from a 'glass half full' perspective, could it be that Casserly and Capers cut Sharper BEFORE the draft and during the FA period as a sign of respect to Sharper. This allows him to get into the FA market at the prime time and if another team does sign him, which we all pretty much agree is GOING to happen, then it gives the new team a chance to re-evaluate an upcoming draft pick to fill a LB position need.

I can't think of any other reason for the timing. We all knew Sharper was going to be cut or his contract re-negotiated, perhaps they had a meeting with Sharper and told him they were cutting him this early to allow him to get picked up by another team and be in a prime negotiation position for his next contract.

Just a thought and if it is anywhere near the truth I think it shows some true class, a 'no hard feelings', AND a 'how can I help you for your hard work for us' attitude for Sharper by the Texans organization.
thegr8fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2005   #193
Bobo
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Age: 62
Posts: 1,375
Rep Power: 0 Bobo does not work well with others
Default

>It's not an April Fool's joke.

>Read it and weep.

The Texans will never say it, but they will regret this mistake.
Bobo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2005   #194
Bobo
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Age: 62
Posts: 1,375
Rep Power: 0 Bobo does not work well with others
Default

>well our D was #1 in the league of giving up 3rd downs. On the 3-4, that has to fall >on the LB's shoulders.

That failure is a total defensive team breakdown. It is impossible to lay the blame on one group of guys. I don't see how you can blame a guy who led the team in tackles -- which is significant in that it shows a cornerback or safety didn't have that distinction. If so, it would show that the opposition was penetrating into the last line of defense. Sharper prevented that.
Bobo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2005   #195
Bobo
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Age: 62
Posts: 1,375
Rep Power: 0 Bobo does not work well with others
Default

>he wasn't playing up to the level of his pay... nothing personal to Jamie...

I disagree. Sharper made 98 solo tackles and is now the biggest free agent draft catch out there. That guy from the Dolphins that they signed got a big contract as well and he'll have to go aways to reach Sharper's performance level. Yes, Sharper was getting a lot of money but he deserved it. Defensive performers who produced like Sharper don't grow on trees. The Texans will regret this move.
Bobo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2005   #196
Grid
Hall of Fame
 
Grid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,299
Rep Power: 2272 Grid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Maybe he agreed not to sign with the Jags if we released him early
Grid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2005   #197
TEXANS84
Moderator
 
TEXANS84's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The Woodlands, TX
Age: 37
Posts: 7,479
Rep Power: 3262 TEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to TEXANS84 Send a message via Yahoo to TEXANS84
Default

Bengals | Still in Race to Land Sharper - from www.KFFL.com
Sat, 9 Apr 2005 00:51:04 -0700

Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports free agent LB Jamie Sharper's (Texans) agent, Tony Agnone, said the Cincinnati Bengals are still in the derby to sign Sharper. He said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis gave an impressive presentation to Sharper during his recent visit with the team.
TEXANS84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2005   #198
SESupergenius
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thegr8fan
Just a thought and if it is anywhere near the truth I think it shows some true class, a 'no hard feelings', AND a 'how can I help you for your hard work for us' attitude for Sharper by the Texans organization.
I disagree with that take because this is a business. One the one hand we let him go AND THEN we are nice to him???

We still had plenty of time to at least get something for him. I think that is just poor management of the situation and would have rather him tried to either work out something with another team for a longer period than a couple of weeks or at least try to work with Sharper to sign another deal. But like I said, I think he was just put in the doghouse and let go because of that, not the salary.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2005   #199
OzzO
.. and then?
 
OzzO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: northside
Posts: 7,091
Rep Power: 61397 OzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to OzzO
Default

Interesting it's coming from Seattle....
Quote:
NFL | Sharper Decision Coming Soon? - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:20:59 -0700

Updating ongoing reports, Clare Farnsworth, of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, reports free agent LB Jamie Sharper (Texans) may choose his new team as early as Monday, April 11.
It'll be more interesting what the contract ends up being.
OzzO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2005   #200
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,847
Rep Power: 161784 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

He is going to take less than he wanted I bet. If teams were hot on him at his price he would have been singned by now most likely since there are so many teams looking at him.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger